Wouldn't it make sense to spend the billion dollars to do the one thing I think everyone would agree might promote sales - reducing the price well below the iPad? I'm not convinced Windows 8 Tablets are great, but they wouldn't need to be if they were $100+ less than the equivalent iPad. The "advertising" would be people walking around using them, and others going "wow - what's that".
Of course this theory only really works if at least some people are impressed when they see the tablet in real world use.
I just hope that the billion dollar ad campaign money is soon used up, because I'm getting mighty tired of seeing those ridiculous commercials whenever I'm watching a series on TV that I follow (like the Walking Dead). The money has got to be used up soon right?
These Windows hybrid/frankenstein contraptions were doomed to fail from the start. Many people saw this coming.
Tivo/DVR is your friend... fast forward...
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Originally Posted by bdkennedy1
I'm a tech guy. I have met no one that like Windows 8. I've even been paid to downgrade peoples new laptops from Windows 8 to Windows 7. Microsoft can't see outside of Ballmer's bubble.
If Microsoft is going to survive, they need to get rid of Ballmer and promote the XBox division.
I am with you on that. Been IT for over nearly 2 decades. And even I hate win8... Had one of my lawyers take back his PC and went and got a MAC, he hated it that much only after 3 day's. Also, Stardock does make a nice little program that puts the start button back with it's old win7 menu. Major item to make it bareable to work on 8 when you have to. Just sayin...
Topic - And who did not see this coming? Well besides them? I mean it was not rocket science, hell it was not even checkers, and the still got it wrong. When you only have ad's that show nothing of the product, it's details, or any other tech spec's, you really expect to sell it? Your not Apple... oh wait, they actually give you the details, and when they say a 64GB system they really mean 64GBish usable.
Bold-Italics Above: you by chance weren't making reference to the poor soul's experience with MS Customer Service post on ArsTechnica: WinRT Is A Lemon, now would you.
I am beyond furious with the customer service I have received over a dropped Surface RT. It was supposed covered by the accidental damage policy but I've been told will not be repaired/replaced without anyone explaining why. I now have a $900 paperweight as a reminder to never buy hardware from Microsoft. I've documented the whole sordid tale here: http://sdrv.ms/14asNkO
The hardware isn't bad--some better than others, but a thumbs-up for the most part. I think the issue is simply that people don't like (or they hate) Windows 8. Not EVERYBODY, of course. There are the Win fanboys just like the Mac fanboys.
I'd love to see PC Mag run a poll: "So ... after all the hoopla, what do you think of Windows 8?"
I am with you on that. Been IT for over nearly 2 decades. And even I hate win8... Had one of my lawyers take back his PC and went and got a MAC, he hated it that much only after 3 day's. Also, Stardock does make a nice little program that puts the start button back with it's old win7 menu. Major item to make it bareable to work on 8 when you have to. Just sayin...
Just spoke with a friend in marketing who has used MS Windows for years, and he echoed the same sentiments. Bought a laptop preloaded with Win8, WebEx doesn't work for him (not MS' fault, but still a big issue for many), frustrated by the lack of a start menu (finally found Stardock), and is annoyed that he's likely going to have to pay for a downgrade to Win7 in the interim in order to get work done.
I simply don't understand why Microsoft foisted the whole 'tile' interface onto people using traditional computers (when it mainly only makes sense on tablets) and didn't give an option to get the old start menu back. It's a real pain to figure out how to launch applications which don't have a tile associated with them.
With Apple, they did bring the iOS style interface to Mac via Launchpad, but they still support the traditional ways to launch apps (using the Dock, desktop shortcuts, or Finder). I personally prefer the Dock myself.
Well Windows Reign is over, and there high prices have been slashed to compete with Apples OS X latest prices yet to get it worth it they would need it about $8(matches with windows $8) vs apple who will kill windows.
I'm a tech guy. I have met no one that like Windows 8. I've even been paid to downgrade peoples new laptops from Windows 8 to Windows 7. Microsoft can't see outside of Ballmer's bubble.
If Microsoft is going to survive, they need to get rid of Ballmer and promote the XBox division.
Hmmmm... Interesting that such a 'tech guy' didn't simply install Pokki, or one of the other Windows 8 UI (start button) options and set it to boot directly into Windows 7 compatibility mode?
HINT: It's the Live Tile that looks like a small Windows 7 desktop that's featured on every new Windows 8 device's home screen.
My mother-in-law was hesitant to use Windows 8 Modern UI at first, so that's what I did for her until she finally decided that she really liked Windows 8's Modern UI Live Tiles better, especially since her new computer has a touchscreen.
Anyway... Windows 8 has proven to be an extremely versatile computing environment, as it's exponentially more capable, versatile, and touch-friendly (read: Future Proof) than anything that has ever come before.
I am beyond furious with the customer service I have received over a dropped Surface RT. It was supposed covered by the accidental damage policy but I've been told will not be repaired/replaced without anyone explaining why. I now have a $900 paperweight as a reminder to never buy hardware from Microsoft. I've documented the whole sordid tale here: http://sdrv.ms/14asNkO
Second time I've seen this referred to today. I'm not sure which is more ridiculous- this guy buying a $150 insurance policy for his Surface _after_ he dropped it and broke the LCD screen, and expecting to get a new unit...
or this Microsoft coverage that pretty clearly suggests that he was entitled to one, and their lame response.
Hmmmm... Interesting that such a 'tech guy' didn't simply install Pokki, or one of the other Windows 8 UI (start button) options and set it to boot directly into Windows 7 compatibility mode?
HINT: It's the Live Tile that looks like a small Windows 7 desktop that's featured on every new Windows 8 device's home screen.
I used Windows 8 RTM extensively for a week (to port an app over) and didn't see anything like that. I did see (and use) the desktop tile a lot. I also learned that I could use the desktop search option to find all of the hidden applications I needed (not surprisingly, they don't have a live tile for the Command Prompt). But the option to boot into Windows 7 compatibility mode is certainly not obvious. Where exactly is that?
I just hope that the billion dollar ad campaign money is soon used up, because I'm getting mighty tired of seeing those ridiculous commercials whenever I'm watching a series on TV that I follow (like the Walking Dead). The money has got to be used up soon right?
These Windows hybrid/frankenstein contraptions were doomed to fail from the start. Many people saw this coming.
Windows 8 is actually what Vista was supposed to be ( Performance and compability features minus the tablet version features). Vista was flawed and Windows 7 was only a patch to fix the Vista issues.
Bold-Italics Above: you by chance weren't making reference to the poor soul's experience with MS Customer Service post on ArsTechnica: WinRT Is A Lemon, now would you.
I'm just happy that MS is failing at this. For my own selfish reasons I hope the company loses tons of money. I paid for Vista as part of a computer purchase. If you've used Vista you probably understand my residual anger towards MS. If MS paid me $200 as an apology I might get over my hatred for them.
I've read reviews and watched video reviews of Windows 8. It seems that some people like it. What they all say is that the controls are inconsistent across programs and within the system. Microsoft is killing itself despite the effort to make something wonderful. Good intentions don't equate to good implementation.
Hmmmm... Interesting that such a 'tech guy' didn't simply install Pokki, or one of the other Windows 8 UI (start button) options and set it to boot directly into Windows 7 compatibility mode?
HINT: It's the Live Tile that looks like a small Windows 7 desktop that's featured on every new Windows 8 device's home screen.
My mother-in-law was hesitant to use Windows 8 Modern UI at first, so that's what I did for her until she finally decided that she really liked Windows 8's Modern UI Live Tiles better, especially since her new computer has a touchscreen.
Anyway... Windows 8 has proven to be an extremely versatile computing environment, as it's exponentially more capable, versatile, and touch-friendly (read: Future Proof) than anything that has ever come before.
To. Each. Their. Own.
Believe it or not I actually agree with you.
See I'm rational, hopefully this will catch on.
Beside Windows 8 being a lousy OS. Has anyone noticed how bad the ads are pushing the Surface or whatever they call it. Who thought those ads were good? Break-dancing on desks and snapping fingers, jeeze terrible.
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Wouldn't it make sense to spend the billion dollars to do the one thing I think everyone would agree might promote sales - reducing the price well below the iPad? I'm not convinced Windows 8 Tablets are great, but they wouldn't need to be if they were $100+ less than the equivalent iPad. The "advertising" would be people walking around using them, and others going "wow - what's that".
Of course this theory only really works if at least some people are impressed when they see the tablet in real world use.
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Originally Posted by Apple ][
I just hope that the billion dollar ad campaign money is soon used up, because I'm getting mighty tired of seeing those ridiculous commercials whenever I'm watching a series on TV that I follow (like the Walking Dead). The money has got to be used up soon right?
These Windows hybrid/frankenstein contraptions were doomed to fail from the start. Many people saw this coming.
Tivo/DVR is your friend... fast forward...
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Originally Posted by bdkennedy1
I'm a tech guy. I have met no one that like Windows 8. I've even been paid to downgrade peoples new laptops from Windows 8 to Windows 7. Microsoft can't see outside of Ballmer's bubble.
If Microsoft is going to survive, they need to get rid of Ballmer and promote the XBox division.
I am with you on that. Been IT for over nearly 2 decades. And even I hate win8... Had one of my lawyers take back his PC and went and got a MAC, he hated it that much only after 3 day's. Also, Stardock does make a nice little program that puts the start button back with it's old win7 menu. Major item to make it bareable to work on 8 when you have to. Just sayin...
Topic - And who did not see this coming? Well besides them? I mean it was not rocket science, hell it was not even checkers, and the still got it wrong. When you only have ad's that show nothing of the product, it's details, or any other tech spec's, you really expect to sell it? Your not Apple... oh wait, they actually give you the details, and when they say a 64GB system they really mean 64GBish usable.
Bold-Italics Above: you by chance weren't making reference to the poor soul's experience with MS Customer Service post on ArsTechnica: WinRT Is A Lemon, now would you.
I'd love to see PC Mag run a poll: "So ... after all the hoopla, what do you think of Windows 8?"
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Originally Posted by HawkBlade
I am with you on that. Been IT for over nearly 2 decades. And even I hate win8... Had one of my lawyers take back his PC and went and got a MAC, he hated it that much only after 3 day's. Also, Stardock does make a nice little program that puts the start button back with it's old win7 menu. Major item to make it bareable to work on 8 when you have to. Just sayin...
Just spoke with a friend in marketing who has used MS Windows for years, and he echoed the same sentiments. Bought a laptop preloaded with Win8, WebEx doesn't work for him (not MS' fault, but still a big issue for many), frustrated by the lack of a start menu (finally found Stardock), and is annoyed that he's likely going to have to pay for a downgrade to Win7 in the interim in order to get work done.
I simply don't understand why Microsoft foisted the whole 'tile' interface onto people using traditional computers (when it mainly only makes sense on tablets) and didn't give an option to get the old start menu back. It's a real pain to figure out how to launch applications which don't have a tile associated with them.
With Apple, they did bring the iOS style interface to Mac via Launchpad, but they still support the traditional ways to launch apps (using the Dock, desktop shortcuts, or Finder). I personally prefer the Dock myself.
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Originally Posted by HawkBlade
Tivo/DVR is your friend... fast forward...
The only times that it's hard to fast forward, is when somebody is watching it live.
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Originally Posted by bdkennedy1
I'm a tech guy. I have met no one that like Windows 8. I've even been paid to downgrade peoples new laptops from Windows 8 to Windows 7. Microsoft can't see outside of Ballmer's bubble.
If Microsoft is going to survive, they need to get rid of Ballmer and promote the XBox division.
Hmmmm... Interesting that such a 'tech guy' didn't simply install Pokki, or one of the other Windows 8 UI (start button) options and set it to boot directly into Windows 7 compatibility mode?
HINT: It's the Live Tile that looks like a small Windows 7 desktop that's featured on every new Windows 8 device's home screen.
My mother-in-law was hesitant to use Windows 8 Modern UI at first, so that's what I did for her until she finally decided that she really liked Windows 8's Modern UI Live Tiles better, especially since her new computer has a touchscreen.
Anyway... Windows 8 has proven to be an extremely versatile computing environment, as it's exponentially more capable, versatile, and touch-friendly (read: Future Proof) than anything that has ever come before.
To. Each. Their. Own.
"Microsoft slashes prices & alters tactics"
Isn't that Microsoft's mission statement?
Originally Posted by blakecoverett
I am beyond furious with the customer service I have received over a dropped Surface RT. It was supposed covered by the accidental damage policy but I've been told will not be repaired/replaced without anyone explaining why. I now have a $900 paperweight as a reminder to never buy hardware from Microsoft. I've documented the whole sordid tale here: http://sdrv.ms/14asNkO
Second time I've seen this referred to today. I'm not sure which is more ridiculous- this guy buying a $150 insurance policy for his Surface _after_ he dropped it and broke the LCD screen, and expecting to get a new unit...
or this Microsoft coverage that pretty clearly suggests that he was entitled to one, and their lame response.
MSFT is _such_ a mess these days....
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Originally Posted by DaHarder
Hmmmm... Interesting that such a 'tech guy' didn't simply install Pokki, or one of the other Windows 8 UI (start button) options and set it to boot directly into Windows 7 compatibility mode?
HINT: It's the Live Tile that looks like a small Windows 7 desktop that's featured on every new Windows 8 device's home screen.
I used Windows 8 RTM extensively for a week (to port an app over) and didn't see anything like that. I did see (and use) the desktop tile a lot. I also learned that I could use the desktop search option to find all of the hidden applications I needed (not surprisingly, they don't have a live tile for the Command Prompt). But the option to boot into Windows 7 compatibility mode is certainly not obvious. Where exactly is that?
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Originally Posted by Apple ][
I just hope that the billion dollar ad campaign money is soon used up, because I'm getting mighty tired of seeing those ridiculous commercials whenever I'm watching a series on TV that I follow (like the Walking Dead). The money has got to be used up soon right?
These Windows hybrid/frankenstein contraptions were doomed to fail from the start. Many people saw this coming.
WinRT is the walking dead.
I have a recovery plan for Microsoft.....
The board needs to listen intently to Balmer and then do the exact opposite of anything he says....
Windows 8 is actually what Vista was supposed to be ( Performance and compability features minus the tablet version features). Vista was flawed and Windows 7 was only a patch to fix the Vista issues.
I think apple should take over Microsoft...and rename it to fiji apple.
Wow. That's truly bold "service".
I'm just happy that MS is failing at this. For my own selfish reasons I hope the company loses tons of money. I paid for Vista as part of a computer purchase. If you've used Vista you probably understand my residual anger towards MS. If MS paid me $200 as an apology I might get over my hatred for them.
I've read reviews and watched video reviews of Windows 8. It seems that some people like it. What they all say is that the controls are inconsistent across programs and within the system. Microsoft is killing itself despite the effort to make something wonderful. Good intentions don't equate to good implementation.
Long Live LInux!
See I'm rational, hopefully this will catch on.