Of course when Samsung release their next phone, even if it arrives before Apple release their own device (if they ever do), Samsung will be accused of copying Apple, or the idea (even though these two devices show that Samsung have had the idea of a smart watch before).
Of course you have to wait until the technology is ready to do it in an acceptable way, which it clearly wasn't for that first Samsung device! But hey, 1999. Apple wouldn't have released something that clearly wasn't suitable for release - even if it wasn't perfect (e.g., Apple TVs weren't perfect but they were fine for their market).
Now that there is enough proof that Samsung has had (and marketed) a watch phone before Apple did, can we stop the accusations now?
Uh… what? "Because Samsung made a watch in the past, they cannot possibly ever be copying any future endeavor of Apple's in this field," is that your statement?
To be fair most of the lower level good guys at Palm were from Apple originally with a few Symbion guys thrown in. The RIM guys were brilliant engineers until the management got there hand on them
I very much doubt that Samsung will bring a watch out before Apple. They will wait to copy Apple, probably adding 'extra gizmos' that will impress 'FeatureHeads' but ruin the user experience.
Now that there is enough proof that Samsung has had (and marketed) a watch phone before Apple did, can we stop the accusations now?
You mean besides the article with the title noting a smart watch by Samsung, that it's their 3rd generation device, and a very large and clear image of a phone watch by Samsung from 1999? You no read so good!
Not sure I would wear a watch like this, though I don't really wear watches anyway. I feel like they would have to be pretty durable if out in the open like this. I am curious to see where this goes though, because it isn't half bad looking.
What boggles my mind about Samsung but probably speaks to their complete lack of comprehension in this area is they make an attractive an expensive watch, put it in a fancy box, but then still call the thing the GT-S9110. That's a complete fail for marketing. No matter how great of a product it is there is absolutely nothing iconic or rememberable about that branding.
Of course when Samsung release their next phone, even if it arrives before Apple release their own device (if they ever do), Samsung will be accused of copying Apple, or the idea (even though these two devices show that Samsung have had the idea of a smart watch before).
Of course you have to wait until the technology is ready to do it in an acceptable way, which it clearly wasn't for that first Samsung device! But hey, 1999. Apple wouldn't have released something that clearly wasn't suitable for release - even if it wasn't perfect (e.g., Apple TVs weren't perfect but they were fine for their market).
Apple is rarely first to market with anything. They target a space that needs to be reinvented and then goes and does that. Apple has done this time and time again. IF Apple does a smart watch (and I'm not convinced that they will or even should) it will be the most well thought-out and refined smart watch available. Afterwards the companies that had been floundering, throwing everything against the wall hoping it would stick, have something to copy... and they will.
And from a C-NET article: "Samsung's 1999 SPH-WP10 mixed a smartphone and a watch in one. It weighed 50 grams with its battery, and could last for 90 minutes of talk time and 60 hours on standby. It also cost close to $700." Original A brief history of smartwatches here: http://news.cnet.com/2300-1035_3-10016196-2.html
Apple is rarely first to market with anything. They target a space that needs to be reinvented and then goes and does that. Apple has done this time and time again. IF Apple does a smart watch (and I'm not convinced that they will or even should) it will be the most well thought-out and refined smart watch available. Afterwards the companies that had been floundering, throwing everything against the wall hoping it would stick, have something to copy... and they will.
Yes Apple often refines a product idea to something practical and useful.
But in this case the others who have been there (Samsung, etc) will have grounds to sue Apple for a big share of their profits.
I'm not that interested in such a watch at this time, my next toy watch will be a golfing GPS watch. Distance to the pin is all I can concentrate on when golfing.
Thank goodness Apple has been gradually evolving their Apple/TV device. I read it has quietly become a $500 million business, with no lawsuits against it- yet!
Thank goodness Apple has been gradually evolving their Apple/TV device. I read it has quietly become a $500 million business, with no lawsuits against it- yet!
I would say it's larger than that. According to Wikipedia the 3rd gen Apple TV went on sale in March 2012 and Tim Cook announced in May 2012 that 2.7 million have been sold. That's $270 million for 3 months right there and all signs pointing to an increase in sales. They had also announced they had sold 1.4 million for the 2011 holiday quarter with the 2nd gen Apple TV. I would say it least neared $1 billion in sales in 2012 and will far exceed it in 2013 with or without any major revamping of the HW, OS, UI or services, which I think are inevitable.
But your point is great. They have a highly successful business that has just creeped up slowly to be bigger than the entire business of many of their competitors in other areas.
Don't forget that these watches were independent phones. They did not require a standalone phone to be paired to like the pebble. If you consider this, they are incredibly thin for 4 years old. And I think the design is not half bad. Take out the phone part and add bluetooth; it gets much thinner and a smaller bezel with 4 years of screen advancement and I think it could look great. Not that I'd buy it.
I'm not convinced an 'iWatch' shouldn't have some 'independence' from a phone - though for now the phone seems a logical core-device for other peripherals.
Apple's revolution of the smart phone made sense. We carry these phones with us everywhere, they were a nice portable size both for making calls and using a screen. But then the advantages of bigger screens start to be pushed, and facetime video calls, and people mentioned losing their phones in their bags.
A phone device might not be the perfect fit anymore, in fact the iPhone might be a necessary transition device to the next generation.
An iPad-mini paired with an iPhone-nano (iPod Nano size?) is an example of a different, simple combination.
Put another way, imagine an iPhone as a core device with 4 key peripherals
a) a watch (specialising in small screen, instant access)
b) an iPad+ (specialising in big screen, but very low memory because it uses the iPhone)
c) a bluetooth headset or mini phone handset (call someone with clear audio while using an iPhone/iPad screen for Facetime or to look up something while talking)
d) AppleTV+ (AppleTV only works as an extension to the iPhone, not on its own)
My point is that there is value in a larger portable screen, a TV size fixed screen, a quick small screen, and a small audio 'handset', and I can imagine Apple extending the iPHone with these peripherals,
BUT if they made this little ecosystem would the iPhone be required at all? Do we need an iPhone really? Why not carry an iWatch by itself - imagine an iWatch with siri and a bluetooth headset - and optionally pair to my bigger devices when I have them - iPad, MBP or AppleTV.
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Originally Posted by Bilbo63
Apple is rarely first to market with anything. They target a space that needs to be reinvented and then goes and does that. Apple has done this time and time again. IF Apple does a smart watch (and I'm not convinced that they will or even should) it will be the most well thought-out and refined smart watch available. Afterwards the companies that had been floundering, throwing everything against the wall hoping it would stick, have something to copy... and they will.
Agreed. Most companies decide on a new product and then make it as best they can. Apple tends to be willing to prototype something and throw away a lot of work if it's not right, to the extent of not touching the market at all. The effect is mostly good products, and the side effect is that Apple users know if Apple releases something that chances are they'll find it effective.
You mean besides the article with the title noting a smart watch by Samsung, that it's their 3rd generation device, and a very large and clear image of a phone watch by Samsung from 1999? You no read so good!
Even after all the proofs about the watch phone concept, we have people still talking like this:
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Originally Posted by mudman2
Should be much better this time now they have someone to copy from
Hard to visualize how in this time and age a SmartWatch can come into play. Before the invention of the Smartphone chances were certainly better.
Its going to be a true challenge and one that will not be accepted easily as todays generation has gotten away from watches period. Time will tell, Samsung has not been successful over the years and its doubtful that any company including Apple can put enough features in a Smartwatch to make it a winner.
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Originally Posted by Hattig
Of course when Samsung release their next phone, even if it arrives before Apple release their own device (if they ever do), Samsung will be accused of copying Apple, or the idea (even though these two devices show that Samsung have had the idea of a smart watch before).
Of course you have to wait until the technology is ready to do it in an acceptable way, which it clearly wasn't for that first Samsung device! But hey, 1999. Apple wouldn't have released something that clearly wasn't suitable for release - even if it wasn't perfect (e.g., Apple TVs weren't perfect but they were fine for their market).
ever heard of Newton?
Originally Posted by Galbi
Now that there is enough proof that Samsung has had (and marketed) a watch phone before Apple did, can we stop the accusations now?
Uh… what? "Because Samsung made a watch in the past, they cannot possibly ever be copying any future endeavor of Apple's in this field," is that your statement?
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Originally Posted by tooltalk
ever heard of Palm or Blackberry?
To be fair most of the lower level good guys at Palm were from Apple originally with a few Symbion guys thrown in. The RIM guys were brilliant engineers until the management got there hand on them
You mean besides the article with the title noting a smart watch by Samsung, that it's their 3rd generation device, and a very large and clear image of a phone watch by Samsung from 1999? You no read so good!
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Originally Posted by Galbi
Is that Ralphie from Christmas Story?
Not sure I would wear a watch like this, though I don't really wear watches anyway. I feel like they would have to be pretty durable if out in the open like this. I am curious to see where this goes though, because it isn't half bad looking.
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Originally Posted by Hattig
Of course when Samsung release their next phone, even if it arrives before Apple release their own device (if they ever do), Samsung will be accused of copying Apple, or the idea (even though these two devices show that Samsung have had the idea of a smart watch before).
Of course you have to wait until the technology is ready to do it in an acceptable way, which it clearly wasn't for that first Samsung device! But hey, 1999. Apple wouldn't have released something that clearly wasn't suitable for release - even if it wasn't perfect (e.g., Apple TVs weren't perfect but they were fine for their market).
Apple is rarely first to market with anything. They target a space that needs to be reinvented and then goes and does that. Apple has done this time and time again. IF Apple does a smart watch (and I'm not convinced that they will or even should) it will be the most well thought-out and refined smart watch available. Afterwards the companies that had been floundering, throwing everything against the wall hoping it would stick, have something to copy... and they will.
Originally Posted by SockRolid
Well, whatever Samsung is planning, I hope it has Gangnam Style!
If Samsung makes a music video, it will be 1:1 this, replacing the word 'Apple' with 'Samsung'.
Samsung has the original press release for the SPH-WP10 online: http://www.samsung.com/us/news/newsRead.do?news_seq=386
And from a C-NET article: "Samsung's 1999 SPH-WP10 mixed a smartphone and a watch in one. It weighed 50 grams with its battery, and could last for 90 minutes of talk time and 60 hours on standby. It also cost close to $700." Original A brief history of smartwatches here: http://news.cnet.com/2300-1035_3-10016196-2.html
Best,
Tim
Palm doesn't exist anymore and Blackberry is struggling.
Yeah like I'm going to want to strap a big hunk of metal and glass to my wrist and wear it around everywhere.
Fail.
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Originally Posted by Bilbo63
Apple is rarely first to market with anything. They target a space that needs to be reinvented and then goes and does that. Apple has done this time and time again. IF Apple does a smart watch (and I'm not convinced that they will or even should) it will be the most well thought-out and refined smart watch available. Afterwards the companies that had been floundering, throwing everything against the wall hoping it would stick, have something to copy... and they will.
Yes Apple often refines a product idea to something practical and useful.
But in this case the others who have been there (Samsung, etc) will have grounds to sue Apple for a big share of their profits.
I'm not that interested in such a watch at this time, my next toy watch will be a golfing GPS watch. Distance to the pin is all I can concentrate on when golfing.
Thank goodness Apple has been gradually evolving their Apple/TV device. I read it has quietly become a $500 million business, with no lawsuits against it- yet!
I would say it's larger than that. According to Wikipedia the 3rd gen Apple TV went on sale in March 2012 and Tim Cook announced in May 2012 that 2.7 million have been sold. That's $270 million for 3 months right there and all signs pointing to an increase in sales. They had also announced they had sold 1.4 million for the 2011 holiday quarter with the 2nd gen Apple TV. I would say it least neared $1 billion in sales in 2012 and will far exceed it in 2013 with or without any major revamping of the HW, OS, UI or services, which I think are inevitable.
But your point is great. They have a highly successful business that has just creeped up slowly to be bigger than the entire business of many of their competitors in other areas.
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Originally Posted by NexusPhan
Don't forget that these watches were independent phones. They did not require a standalone phone to be paired to like the pebble. If you consider this, they are incredibly thin for 4 years old. And I think the design is not half bad. Take out the phone part and add bluetooth; it gets much thinner and a smaller bezel with 4 years of screen advancement and I think it could look great. Not that I'd buy it.
I'm not convinced an 'iWatch' shouldn't have some 'independence' from a phone - though for now the phone seems a logical core-device for other peripherals.
Apple's revolution of the smart phone made sense. We carry these phones with us everywhere, they were a nice portable size both for making calls and using a screen. But then the advantages of bigger screens start to be pushed, and facetime video calls, and people mentioned losing their phones in their bags.
A phone device might not be the perfect fit anymore, in fact the iPhone might be a necessary transition device to the next generation.
An iPad-mini paired with an iPhone-nano (iPod Nano size?) is an example of a different, simple combination.
Put another way, imagine an iPhone as a core device with 4 key peripherals
a) a watch (specialising in small screen, instant access)
b) an iPad+ (specialising in big screen, but very low memory because it uses the iPhone)
c) a bluetooth headset or mini phone handset (call someone with clear audio while using an iPhone/iPad screen for Facetime or to look up something while talking)
d) AppleTV+ (AppleTV only works as an extension to the iPhone, not on its own)
My point is that there is value in a larger portable screen, a TV size fixed screen, a quick small screen, and a small audio 'handset', and I can imagine Apple extending the iPHone with these peripherals,
BUT if they made this little ecosystem would the iPhone be required at all? Do we need an iPhone really? Why not carry an iWatch by itself - imagine an iWatch with siri and a bluetooth headset - and optionally pair to my bigger devices when I have them - iPad, MBP or AppleTV.
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Originally Posted by Bilbo63
Apple is rarely first to market with anything. They target a space that needs to be reinvented and then goes and does that. Apple has done this time and time again. IF Apple does a smart watch (and I'm not convinced that they will or even should) it will be the most well thought-out and refined smart watch available. Afterwards the companies that had been floundering, throwing everything against the wall hoping it would stick, have something to copy... and they will.
Agreed. Most companies decide on a new product and then make it as best they can. Apple tends to be willing to prototype something and throw away a lot of work if it's not right, to the extent of not touching the market at all. The effect is mostly good products, and the side effect is that Apple users know if Apple releases something that chances are they'll find it effective.
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Originally Posted by SolipsismX
You mean besides the article with the title noting a smart watch by Samsung, that it's their 3rd generation device, and a very large and clear image of a phone watch by Samsung from 1999? You no read so good!
Even after all the proofs about the watch phone concept, we have people still talking like this:
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Originally Posted by mudman2
Should be much better this time now they have someone to copy from
This is why I made that statement, SolipsismX.
Hard to visualize how in this time and age a SmartWatch can come into play. Before the invention of the Smartphone chances were certainly better.
Its going to be a true challenge and one that will not be accepted easily as todays generation has gotten away from watches period. Time will tell, Samsung has not been successful over the years and its doubtful that any company including Apple can put enough features in a Smartwatch to make it a winner.