I use Google only for "Search." The rest of the stuff is crap, i.e., gmail, Android, docs, etc.
I use Amazon to check prices and order some stuff. But the rest of their offerings are crap and I include the Kindle!
I use Sprint b/c I have to. I used ATT and gave up on them when I bought an iPad and if I tethered would lose my grandfathered in unlimited Data. WTF!
I would never sign up with Verizon.
Sprint was the lesser of the three evils.
I cut the Cocks' cable 4-5 years ago. I don't mind watching commercials if the TV is free. I don't mind paying $100/mo if there are no commercials. But I'll be damned if I'm going to pay $100/mo and have to endure inane commercials as well.
I have the cheapest internet thru Cocks cuz I have to.
I love Apple and have respect for Honda, Toyota and Porsche and that's about it for large corporations!
P.S. I love Apple for a lot of reasons, build quality, excellence, etc. But I really like their efforts to create a seamless eco-system. This is where every other tech company falls down and will never catch up with Apple. It's not in their DNA. E.g., Sony, Nokia, MS, Dell, HP, Blackberry, Motorola, Google, Amazon, Samsung, ATT, Verizon, Sprint, and on and on.
Well, I have used many wireless carriers, and on the East Coast, Verizon is far and away the best (ATT is OK in the Bay Area). What the hell is Cocks'? And as for Apple, yes, gotta love that evil vendor lock-in (I like their devices, but they are trying their best to be evil).
Amazon Kindle has been VERY profitable, even if though they are losing money on the hardware (or at least not making money).
How do you define profitable when they barely are above breaking even even in quarters they are profitable. How much are you suggesting they are losing per HW device to claim that Kindle eBook(?) are "VERY profitable?
How do you define profitable when they barely are above breaking even even in quarters they are profitable. How much are you suggesting they are losing per HW device to claim that Kindle eBook(?) are "VERY profitable?
1. igrive reads the Amazon press releases.
2. He understands the concept of "making it up in volume".
It'll be interesting to see how they manage to compete with Apple and Google on the core apps like Mail, Calendar, etc.
I'm sure a few strategic acquisitions may help in this regard, but rolling it all together - and who would buy an Amazon phone? I don't really see a major market here.
Of course, AMZN can make $7M (not B, M) in quarterly profit (or hell, post a loss) and the stock still goes up%u2026
You know all this give it away free stuff reminds me of the days when Banks use to give away toaster if you open a savings account. My aunt outfitted her kitchen with counter top appliances by opening Bank accounts. She also got pissed when the things almost burned her kitchen down, but hell it was all free.
If you have to give away free stuff to get someone to use your product, are the products really that good.
Again Apple gives nothing away and they make more than anyone, that should tell you something.
How do you define profitable when they barely are above breaking even even in quarters they are profitable. How much are you suggesting they are losing per HW device to claim that Kindle eBook(?) are "VERY profitable?
Amazon's operations are very profitable, it just chooses to plow the money back into the business, unlike Apple, which chooses to plow their money under the mattress.
You know all this give it away free stuff reminds me of the days when Banks use to give away toaster if you open a savings account. My aunt outfitted her kitchen with counter top appliances by opening Bank accounts. She also got pissed then the things almost burned her kitchen down, but hell it was all free.
If you have to give away free stuff to get someone to use your product, are the products really that good.
Again Apple gives nothing away and they make more than anyone, that should tell you something.
Apple gives away its OS for $29 to get you to use their expensive hardware. It does this because it's a hardware company. Amazon gives away the Kindle at cost to get you to buy books, movies, and music. That's because selling those things is the business it is in. Similarly, Safeway gives away free parking to get you to go into their stores. Please find someone who is giving away free clues.
Amazon's operations are very profitable, it just chooses to plow the money back into the business, unlike Apple, which chooses to plow their money under the mattress.
Apple gives away its OS for $29 to get you to use their expensive hardware. It does this because it's a hardware company. Amazon gives away the Kindle at cost to get you to buy books, movies, and music. That's because selling those things is the business it is in. Similarly, Safeway gives away free parking to get you to go into their stores. Please find someone who is giving away free clues.
1) $29 is not giving anything away. See that value that is above $0? That's called a price.
2) Considering how many core iOS core elements get filtered back into Mac OS X and how fast Mac OS X is growing that $29 price is probably more profitable to Apple han it was when Mac OS X 10.1 first went sale.
3) Apple is a HW company. Apple is SW company. Apple is services company. Apple is an experience company. It's pretty fucking foolish to suggest that Apple doesn't have any business acumen when it comes to SW. Even you can't possibly defend such a stupid position.
4) Safeway gives away parking spots the same way Apple "gives away" access to their store and website. It's fucking access! No ownership is being exchanged.
Well, I have used many wireless carriers, and on the East Coast, Verizon is far and away the best (ATT is OK in the Bay Area). What the hell is Cocks'? And as for Apple, yes, gotta love that evil vendor lock-in (I like their devices, but they are trying their best to be evil).
Oops! It's supposed to be "Cox" cable. My bad!
They are our cable provider out west. Like Comcast in other parts of the country.
Amazon Kindle has been VERY profitable, even if though they are losing money on the hardware (or at least not making money).
Nonsense. Amazon as a whole made only 1% of revenues last year - and the Kindle was a loss leader to help them sell the 'profitable' stuff. So where's your evidence that Kindle has been VERY profitable?
Nonsense. Amazon as a whole made only 1% of revenues last year - and the Kindle was a loss leader to help them sell the 'profitable' stuff. So where's your evidence that Kindle has been VERY profitable?
I did - did you?
Amazon's net income last year was about 1% of revenues. Even their gross margin was about 25%. Since when is that 'very profitable'?
Amazon's gross margin is roughly on par with Walmart and Target and Safeway, however its growth far outstrips any of these. Its capital spend (notice, I did not say R&D -- they are building warehouses, and equipping them with state of the art technology [robots fill your amazon.com boxes more and more these days]. Is its stock fairly valued? No idea, I personally wouldn't buy it, but maybe that's just me. It is ridiculous to compare the gross margins to Apple -- they are in a different business.
Amazon's gross margin is roughly on par with Walmart and Target and Safeway, however its growth far outstrips any of these. Its capital spend (notice, I did not say R&D -- they are building warehouses, and equipping them with state of the art technology [robots fill your amazon.com boxes more and more these days]. Is its stock fairly valued? No idea, I personally wouldn't buy it, but maybe that's just me. It is ridiculous to compare the gross margins to Apple -- they are in a different business.
In no way are these even close to being the same, much less your erroneous comment claiming that Amazon is on par with Walmart, Target and Safeway combined.
Amazon (2012)
Revenue US$ 61.09 billion
Operating income US$ (676 million) <== Parentheses indicates a loss, not a gain, as you would have us to believe
Apple's digital services alone that they started as a break even business, which have been growing for a decade and in which they invest by the billions, is one of the smallest legs of Apple's business and it alone completely trounces years of of Amazon profits per quarter.
Amazon's operations are very profitable, it just chooses to plow the money back into the business, unlike Apple, which chooses to plow their money under the mattress.
Exactly. iOS, MacOS, iDevices, Macs were all developed for free. The data centers were built for free. /s
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Originally Posted by MacBook Pro
Why is this a bad idea?
Amazon Kindle has been successful if not profitable.
Amazon Kindle has been VERY profitable, even if though they are losing money on the hardware (or at least not making money).
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Originally Posted by christopher126
I use Google only for "Search." The rest of the stuff is crap, i.e., gmail, Android, docs, etc.
I use Amazon to check prices and order some stuff. But the rest of their offerings are crap and I include the Kindle!
I use Sprint b/c I have to. I used ATT and gave up on them when I bought an iPad and if I tethered would lose my grandfathered in unlimited Data. WTF!
I would never sign up with Verizon.
Sprint was the lesser of the three evils.
I cut the Cocks' cable 4-5 years ago. I don't mind watching commercials if the TV is free. I don't mind paying $100/mo if there are no commercials. But I'll be damned if I'm going to pay $100/mo and have to endure inane commercials as well.
I have the cheapest internet thru Cocks cuz I have to.
I love Apple and have respect for Honda, Toyota and Porsche and that's about it for large corporations!
P.S. I love Apple for a lot of reasons, build quality, excellence, etc. But I really like their efforts to create a seamless eco-system. This is where every other tech company falls down and will never catch up with Apple. It's not in their DNA. E.g., Sony, Nokia, MS, Dell, HP, Blackberry, Motorola, Google, Amazon, Samsung, ATT, Verizon, Sprint, and on and on.
Well, I have used many wireless carriers, and on the East Coast, Verizon is far and away the best (ATT is OK in the Bay Area). What the hell is Cocks'? And as for Apple, yes, gotta love that evil vendor lock-in (I like their devices, but they are trying their best to be evil).
How do you define profitable when they barely are above breaking even even in quarters they are profitable. How much are you suggesting they are losing per HW device to claim that Kindle eBook(?) are "VERY profitable?
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Originally Posted by SolipsismX
How do you define profitable when they barely are above breaking even even in quarters they are profitable. How much are you suggesting they are losing per HW device to claim that Kindle eBook(?) are "VERY profitable?
1. igrive reads the Amazon press releases.
2. He understands the concept of "making it up in volume".
Cheers
I'm sure a few strategic acquisitions may help in this regard, but rolling it all together - and who would buy an Amazon phone? I don't really see a major market here.
Of course, AMZN can make $7M (not B, M) in quarterly profit (or hell, post a loss) and the stock still goes up%u2026
You know all this give it away free stuff reminds me of the days when Banks use to give away toaster if you open a savings account. My aunt outfitted her kitchen with counter top appliances by opening Bank accounts. She also got pissed when the things almost burned her kitchen down, but hell it was all free.
If you have to give away free stuff to get someone to use your product, are the products really that good.
Again Apple gives nothing away and they make more than anyone, that should tell you something.
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Originally Posted by SolipsismX
How do you define profitable when they barely are above breaking even even in quarters they are profitable. How much are you suggesting they are losing per HW device to claim that Kindle eBook(?) are "VERY profitable?
Amazon's operations are very profitable, it just chooses to plow the money back into the business, unlike Apple, which chooses to plow their money under the mattress.
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Originally Posted by minicapt
1. igrive reads the Amazon press releases.
2. He understands the concept of "making it up in volume".
Cheers
1. I don't read the Amazon press releases. I do, however, know people in the Kindle group at amazon.
2. Yes, I do.
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Originally Posted by Maestro64
You know all this give it away free stuff reminds me of the days when Banks use to give away toaster if you open a savings account. My aunt outfitted her kitchen with counter top appliances by opening Bank accounts. She also got pissed then the things almost burned her kitchen down, but hell it was all free.
If you have to give away free stuff to get someone to use your product, are the products really that good.
Again Apple gives nothing away and they make more than anyone, that should tell you something.
Apple gives away its OS for $29 to get you to use their expensive hardware. It does this because it's a hardware company. Amazon gives away the Kindle at cost to get you to buy books, movies, and music. That's because selling those things is the business it is in. Similarly, Safeway gives away free parking to get you to go into their stores. Please find someone who is giving away free clues.
That is bullshit you can't even back up.
1) $29 is not giving anything away. See that value that is above $0? That's called a price.
2) Considering how many core iOS core elements get filtered back into Mac OS X and how fast Mac OS X is growing that $29 price is probably more profitable to Apple han it was when Mac OS X 10.1 first went sale.
3) Apple is a HW company. Apple is SW company. Apple is services company. Apple is an experience company. It's pretty fucking foolish to suggest that Apple doesn't have any business acumen when it comes to SW. Even you can't possibly defend such a stupid position.
4) Safeway gives away parking spots the same way Apple "gives away" access to their store and website. It's fucking access! No ownership is being exchanged.
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Originally Posted by SolipsismX
That is bullshit you can't even back up.
Your argument is very convincing. Why don't you read the fucking financials?
I do, and since I can't prove a negative show me these huge net profits they are making that are then diverted to R&D?
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Originally Posted by Zain Khan
You, sir, have a way with words
How nice of you to say! Thx!
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Originally Posted by igriv
Well, I have used many wireless carriers, and on the East Coast, Verizon is far and away the best (ATT is OK in the Bay Area). What the hell is Cocks'? And as for Apple, yes, gotta love that evil vendor lock-in (I like their devices, but they are trying their best to be evil).
Oops! It's supposed to be "Cox" cable. My bad!
They are our cable provider out west. Like Comcast in other parts of the country.
Nonsense. Amazon as a whole made only 1% of revenues last year - and the Kindle was a loss leader to help them sell the 'profitable' stuff. So where's your evidence that Kindle has been VERY profitable?
I did - did you?
Amazon's net income last year was about 1% of revenues. Even their gross margin was about 25%. Since when is that 'very profitable'?
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Originally Posted by jragosta
Nonsense. Amazon as a whole made only 1% of revenues last year - and the Kindle was a loss leader to help them sell the 'profitable' stuff. So where's your evidence that Kindle has been VERY profitable?
I did - did you?
Amazon's net income last year was about 1% of revenues. Even their gross margin was about 25%. Since when is that 'very profitable'?
Amazon's gross margin is roughly on par with Walmart and Target and Safeway, however its growth far outstrips any of these. Its capital spend (notice, I did not say R&D -- they are building warehouses, and equipping them with state of the art technology [robots fill your amazon.com boxes more and more these days]. Is its stock fairly valued? No idea, I personally wouldn't buy it, but maybe that's just me. It is ridiculous to compare the gross margins to Apple -- they are in a different business.
In no way are these even close to being the same, much less your erroneous comment claiming that Amazon is on par with Walmart, Target and Safeway combined.
Amazon (2012)
Revenue US$ 61.09 billion
Operating income US$ (676 million) <== Parentheses indicates a loss, not a gain, as you would have us to believe
Walmart (2012)
Revenue US$ 446.950 billion
Operating income US$ 26.558 billion
Apple's digital services alone that they started as a break even business, which have been growing for a decade and in which they invest by the billions, is one of the smallest legs of Apple's business and it alone completely trounces years of of Amazon profits per quarter.
Exactly. iOS, MacOS, iDevices, Macs were all developed for free. The data centers were built for free. /s