Interesting in that it shows the 30-pin connector instead of the newer Lightning socket. The view from top/bottom isn't very complimentary and looks like a cheap Chinese knock-off -- I can see a phone with maybe 5mm sides that the curves run into but not something that looks like the biscuits carpenter's use to join timber.
I doubt it would be entirely crack-proof. Some kinds of crystal do seem to be able to withstand a fair amount of impact damage - polycarbonate crystal in the following video (bullet-proof apparently):
[VIDEO]
But I bet if you caught it at the right angle, it would put a crack right round it. I'd say it would be better just to have some scratch-proofing on the metal enclosure. For one thing, the glass would be slippery and it wouldn't have any fixings so they'd have to somehow fix the inside to the glass. Cool but doesn't seem all that practical.
I hate to be the one mentioning the doom and gloom an all glass phone can bring. So far, there's nothing that can prevent such a phone from breaking. I have some expensive wine glasses that are made up of a glass that's supposed to be practically I breakable, but I can assure everyone that they do indeed break!
Well, if you quit stomping on them at weddings.....
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tallest Skil
How about they use something that SEEMS like glass but isn't? Something with all the properties of it and the same transmittance and refractive index, but which is able to withstand that which glass cannot without scuffing or scratching.
"Like what?"
I dunno. There has to be something. We've made tens of thousands of materials…
Quote:
Originally Posted by ipsofacto
Corning continues to partner with Apple, developing flexible glass surfaces beyond its Gorilla Glass. The latest is the current Willow Glass. Doubtless, there will be more R&D to come beyond that, as well.
Quote:
Originally Posted by cnocbui
There is an Optical Polymer called Trivex NXT, which has some amazing properties and I think would make for a very tough and transparent casing. However, it wouldn't be as scratch resistant as Gorilla glass and it might need to be improved with something like a vapor deposited diamond coating. http://www.bigatmo.com/technology/nxt-lenses/
? I didn't mention Engadget in any way or refer a review of anything by them, nor did I say that the Eluga was like this concept or anything other than a beautiful design. When I first saw it I mistakenly thought it had a curved front surface and thought how cool that would be and was disappointed when I realised my error.
Solutions are def coming/available/or nearly so......
Sapphire is wonderfully scratch resistant and strong, but like a diamond, its crystal lattice structure makes also brittle and shatterable. But I've heard of a process that might allow a non-brittle/non-shattering glass substance to be coated with a thin layer of sapphire - giving mostly the best properties of both.... ...and see other possibilities above.
More than a bit ironic since Samsung are the only company I know of that could make or supply the display that would be required to make this feasible. Not to mention the anti-OLED comments from Cook and a few people on here.
I think a slightly curved face bezelless screen phone is obvious. I have been thinking about just such for a while, even before I saw the Panasonic Eluga, which is a thing of beauty.
Ironically with a technology Samsung did not invent. In January 2012 Samsung acquired Liquavista, a company with expertise in manufacturing flexible displays, and announced plans to begin mass production by Q2 2012. Through there purchase they bought the tech. Flexible displays were first thought of by Xerox PARC. In 1974 one of there engineers made a break through and developed a flexible screen.
There is a picture of it.
Other companies are developing flexible lcd's as well.
Here's an article which talks about The Technology Research Association for Advanced Display Materials which started as a collaboration of 12 companies 10 years ago including LG, Sharp Hitatchi and many others which is about ready to start test production on there displays as well. Samsung is not the only one.
Ironically as well now that samsung has got what it wants from liquavista there selling it to amazon. ha ha thats hilarious. Buy tech copy it then sell the company. Now theres innovation /s.
Ironically with a technology Samsung did not invent. In January 2012 Samsung acquired Liquavista, a company with expertise in manufacturing flexible displays, and announced plans to begin mass production by Q2 2012. Through there purchase they bought the tech. Flexible displays were first thought of by Xerox PARC. In 1974 one of there engineers made a break through and developed a flexible screen.
There is a picture of it.
Other companies are developing flexible lcd's as well.
Here's an article which talks about The Technology Research Association for Advanced Display Materials which started as a collaboration of 12 companies 10 years ago including LG, Sharp Hitatchi and many others which is about ready to start test production on there displays as well. Samsung is not the only one.
Ironically as well now that samsung has got what it wants from liquavista there selling it to amazon. ha ha thats hilarious. Buy tech copy it then sell the company. Now theres innovation /s.
You are correct in what you say and I didn't say or imply that Samsung invented flexible displays or were the only manufacturer of such. The Article specifically states AMOLED and my comment was in reference to this as Samsung is the only company I am aware of that has announced commercial availability of flexible AMOLED displays. Samsung currently has about 97% marketshare for AMOLED devices. At the moment, Samsung is the only company that could conceivably produce flexible AMOLED displays in sufficient quantity to supply Apple.
I read an interesting piece on GSMArena - not that AI is going to mention such a thing, but apparently a Russian tech website has done a scientifc comparison of the displays on the iPhone 5, HTC One and Galaxy S4. Samsung have introduced display modes on the S4 called Dynamic, Movie and Adobe RGB. The result is accurate colour reproduction. This echoes what I have argued in previous threads, that the over saturated colours was not an intrinsic 'problem' with AMOLED but more of an implementation problem. Tim Cook and the other anti-AMOLED trolls on here were simply wrong.
I hate to be the one mentioning the doom and gloom an all glass phone can bring. So far, there's nothing that can prevent such a phone from breaking. I have some expensive wine glasses that are made up of a glass that's supposed to be practically I breakable, but I can assure everyone that they do indeed break!
It would be sapphire, not glass. And I'd love to have a set of wine glasses made out of Gorilla Glass. They'd be indestructible.
I hate to be the one mentioning the doom and gloom an all glass phone can bring. So far, there's nothing that can prevent such a phone from breaking. I have some expensive wine glasses that are made up of a glass that's supposed to be practically I breakable, but I can assure everyone that they do indeed break!
How about they use something that SEEMS like glass but isn't? Something with all the properties of it and the same transmittance and refractive index, but which is able to withstand that which glass cannot without scuffing or scratching.
"Like what?"
I dunno. There has to be something. We've made tens of thousands of materials…
well plastic is the first thought however the plastic glass that is out would fit your description almost perfect.
Remember that they use Gorilla glass now. No current glass that doesn't cost a fortune could hold up to a device falling on the corner. There are some specialty glasses that would, but no way would they be used for a phone. Way too expensive.
It would be sapphire, not glass. And I'd love to have a set of wine glasses made out of Gorilla Glass. They'd be indestructible.
Sapphire would break too. Sapphire isn't made in anything other than flat sheets. They cut them from a large man made crystal in the same way that silicon wafers are made. It is very expensive. While there are sapphire rods and balls, I have some, those are easy to grind. Look at the shape of that "all glass" phone. It would be impossible, with any current technology, to make a case like that from sapphire. And if they could, it would cost hundreds, and perhaps a couple of thousand dollars.
Gorilla glass is not as break resistant as the new glasses developed for wine glasses, which are quite expensive. I imagine it would shatter very easily.
Well, if you quit stomping on them at weddings.....
Solutions are def coming/available/or nearly so......
Sapphire is wonderfully scratch resistant and strong, but like a diamond, its crystal lattice structure makes also brittle and shatterable. But I've heard of a process that might allow a non-brittle/non-shattering glass substance to be coated with a thin layer of sapphire - giving mostly the best properties of both.... ...and see other possibilities above.
Seems doable in the end, jus' sayin'......
In the past few years there has been a lot of research into the way clams, and other animals, made their super strong shells. These shells are made from layers of what are weak materials, such as calcium carbonate, and a biological glue. These are very thin layers. There is a small amount of give between the layers, and even when some outer layers break, the rest stay intact. The shells are far stronger than the materials suggest they should be.
There has been success in duplicating those materials, though not with the thinness of the natural materials yet. Given that we can make thin diamond layers on tool steel, carbide and other materials, I've given this some thought. I bet there are labs that are investigating thin layers of glass and diamond evaporated one after the other. If these layers are thin enough, just a few thousandths, they could get a flexible material with an outer diamond layer that would be very hard, yet with the flexibility that would resist impact, even on a corner, which is the bane of current materials.
I can also imagine that these layers could be evaporated over a mold that would have the required shape, as there is no reason why it would need to be flat, since tool bits that have used evaporated diamond, rather than powered diamond, are not flat.
If Apple is really out for something like this rumor then it is going to be revolutionary. People love Apple products and sure it will change the market upside down again.
Comments
Interesting in that it shows the 30-pin connector instead of the newer Lightning socket. The view from top/bottom isn't very complimentary and looks like a cheap Chinese knock-off -- I can see a phone with maybe 5mm sides that the curves run into but not something that looks like the biscuits carpenter's use to join timber.
Originally Posted by pdq2
Ummm... how about sapphire?
The benefits would mean crack-proof glass even when you drop it and scratch-free if your iPhone is in your pocket with keys or it falls on concrete.
Ooh. Ooh. I like it.
I doubt it would be entirely crack-proof. Some kinds of crystal do seem to be able to withstand a fair amount of impact damage - polycarbonate crystal in the following video (bullet-proof apparently):
[VIDEO]
But I bet if you caught it at the right angle, it would put a crack right round it. I'd say it would be better just to have some scratch-proofing on the metal enclosure. For one thing, the glass would be slippery and it wouldn't have any fixings so they'd have to somehow fix the inside to the glass. Cool but doesn't seem all that practical.
Definitely for the front face though:
http://www.beginnerstech.co.uk/smartphones-could-soon-ditch-gorilla-glass-for-sapphire-glass-a-high-end-option/
"I’ve actually seen one of these watches take a direct impact from a 9mm round, the glass cracked but the watch stayed intact."
Quote:
Originally Posted by melgross
I hate to be the one mentioning the doom and gloom an all glass phone can bring. So far, there's nothing that can prevent such a phone from breaking. I have some expensive wine glasses that are made up of a glass that's supposed to be practically I breakable, but I can assure everyone that they do indeed break!
Well, if you quit stomping on them at weddings.....
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tallest Skil
How about they use something that SEEMS like glass but isn't? Something with all the properties of it and the same transmittance and refractive index, but which is able to withstand that which glass cannot without scuffing or scratching.
"Like what?"
I dunno. There has to be something. We've made tens of thousands of materials…
Quote:
Originally Posted by ipsofacto
Corning continues to partner with Apple, developing flexible glass surfaces beyond its Gorilla Glass. The latest is the current Willow Glass. Doubtless, there will be more R&D to come beyond that, as well.
Quote:
Originally Posted by cnocbui
There is an Optical Polymer called Trivex NXT, which has some amazing properties and I think would make for a very tough and transparent casing. However, it wouldn't be as scratch resistant as Gorilla glass and it might need to be improved with something like a vapor deposited diamond coating. http://www.bigatmo.com/technology/nxt-lenses/
? I didn't mention Engadget in any way or refer a review of anything by them, nor did I say that the Eluga was like this concept or anything other than a beautiful design. When I first saw it I mistakenly thought it had a curved front surface and thought how cool that would be and was disappointed when I realised my error.
Solutions are def coming/available/or nearly so......
Quote:
Originally Posted by pdq2
Ummm... how about sapphire?
http://www.patentlyapple.com/patently-apple/2013/03/apple-may-shift-to-sapphire-crystal-glass-for-future-idevices.html
Sapphire is wonderfully scratch resistant and strong, but like a diamond, its crystal lattice structure makes also brittle and shatterable. But I've heard of a process that might allow a non-brittle/non-shattering glass substance to be coated with a thin layer of sapphire - giving mostly the best properties of both.... ...and see other possibilities above.
Seems doable in the end, jus' sayin'......
Quote:
Originally Posted by cnocbui
More than a bit ironic since Samsung are the only company I know of that could make or supply the display that would be required to make this feasible. Not to mention the anti-OLED comments from Cook and a few people on here.
I think a slightly curved face bezelless screen phone is obvious. I have been thinking about just such for a while, even before I saw the Panasonic Eluga, which is a thing of beauty.
Ironically with a technology Samsung did not invent. In January 2012 Samsung acquired Liquavista, a company with expertise in manufacturing flexible displays, and announced plans to begin mass production by Q2 2012. Through there purchase they bought the tech. Flexible displays were first thought of by Xerox PARC. In 1974 one of there engineers made a break through and developed a flexible screen.
There is a picture of it.
Other companies are developing flexible lcd's as well.
Here's an article which talks about The Technology Research Association for Advanced Display Materials which started as a collaboration of 12 companies 10 years ago including LG, Sharp Hitatchi and many others which is about ready to start test production on there displays as well. Samsung is not the only one.
http://www.androidauthority.com/flexible-lcds-get-closer-to-production-tradim-develops-flexible-lcd-display-69325/
Ironically as well now that samsung has got what it wants from liquavista there selling it to amazon. ha ha thats hilarious. Buy tech copy it then sell the company. Now theres innovation /s.
http://www.inquisitr.com/584442/samsung-selling-liquavista-to-amazon/
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tallest Skil
How about they use something that SEEMS like glass but isn't?
Read again... "The invention states glass or other suitable transparent material"
People, don't take things literally. Of course they will use the best possible (and business-efficient) material they can use when the time comes.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mechanic
Ironically with a technology Samsung did not invent. In January 2012 Samsung acquired Liquavista, a company with expertise in manufacturing flexible displays, and announced plans to begin mass production by Q2 2012. Through there purchase they bought the tech. Flexible displays were first thought of by Xerox PARC. In 1974 one of there engineers made a break through and developed a flexible screen.
There is a picture of it.
Other companies are developing flexible lcd's as well.
Here's an article which talks about The Technology Research Association for Advanced Display Materials which started as a collaboration of 12 companies 10 years ago including LG, Sharp Hitatchi and many others which is about ready to start test production on there displays as well. Samsung is not the only one.
http://www.androidauthority.com/flexible-lcds-get-closer-to-production-tradim-develops-flexible-lcd-display-69325/
Ironically as well now that samsung has got what it wants from liquavista there selling it to amazon. ha ha thats hilarious. Buy tech copy it then sell the company. Now theres innovation /s.
http://www.inquisitr.com/584442/samsung-selling-liquavista-to-amazon/
You are correct in what you say and I didn't say or imply that Samsung invented flexible displays or were the only manufacturer of such. The Article specifically states AMOLED and my comment was in reference to this as Samsung is the only company I am aware of that has announced commercial availability of flexible AMOLED displays. Samsung currently has about 97% marketshare for AMOLED devices. At the moment, Samsung is the only company that could conceivably produce flexible AMOLED displays in sufficient quantity to supply Apple.
I read an interesting piece on GSMArena - not that AI is going to mention such a thing, but apparently a Russian tech website has done a scientifc comparison of the displays on the iPhone 5, HTC One and Galaxy S4. Samsung have introduced display modes on the S4 called Dynamic, Movie and Adobe RGB. The result is accurate colour reproduction. This echoes what I have argued in previous threads, that the over saturated colours was not an intrinsic 'problem' with AMOLED but more of an implementation problem. Tim Cook and the other anti-AMOLED trolls on here were simply wrong.
http://blog.gsmarena.com/samsung-galaxy-s4-vs-htc-one-vs-apple-iphone-5-display-test-confirms-amoleds-can-finally-do-accurate-colors/
It would be sapphire, not glass. And I'd love to have a set of wine glasses made out of Gorilla Glass. They'd be indestructible.
well plastic is the first thought however the plastic glass that is out would fit your description almost perfect.
Remember that they use Gorilla glass now. No current glass that doesn't cost a fortune could hold up to a device falling on the corner. There are some specialty glasses that would, but no way would they be used for a phone. Way too expensive.
Sapphire would break too. Sapphire isn't made in anything other than flat sheets. They cut them from a large man made crystal in the same way that silicon wafers are made. It is very expensive. While there are sapphire rods and balls, I have some, those are easy to grind. Look at the shape of that "all glass" phone. It would be impossible, with any current technology, to make a case like that from sapphire. And if they could, it would cost hundreds, and perhaps a couple of thousand dollars.
Gorilla glass is not as break resistant as the new glasses developed for wine glasses, which are quite expensive. I imagine it would shatter very easily.
In the past few years there has been a lot of research into the way clams, and other animals, made their super strong shells. These shells are made from layers of what are weak materials, such as calcium carbonate, and a biological glue. These are very thin layers. There is a small amount of give between the layers, and even when some outer layers break, the rest stay intact. The shells are far stronger than the materials suggest they should be.
There has been success in duplicating those materials, though not with the thinness of the natural materials yet. Given that we can make thin diamond layers on tool steel, carbide and other materials, I've given this some thought. I bet there are labs that are investigating thin layers of glass and diamond evaporated one after the other. If these layers are thin enough, just a few thousandths, they could get a flexible material with an outer diamond layer that would be very hard, yet with the flexibility that would resist impact, even on a corner, which is the bane of current materials.
I can also imagine that these layers could be evaporated over a mold that would have the required shape, as there is no reason why it would need to be flat, since tool bits that have used evaporated diamond, rather than powered diamond, are not flat.
But, how much would this cost?
If Apple is really out for something like this rumor then it is going to be revolutionary. People love Apple products and sure it will change the market upside down again.