SEO marketers are very aware of the pitfalls of deceptive coding practices. If you get black listed it can take years to regain your natural organic rank.
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If I wanted to finagle the results I'd Google's hits at the top and put Apple's hits a little farther down on the page, but still on the same page.
No that would not be good because that would be artificially moving Apple up in rank. If Google wanted to be entirely fair then they should make sure they don't give themselves preferential ranking unless they pay for a sponsored link which often times they do. If any correction needs to be made it is for the Google link to be ranked according to the same rules that everyone else is abiding by. Personally I think the Apple page was appropriately ranked but I'm suspicious of the Google link's rank.
SEO marketers are very aware of the pitfalls of deceptive coding practices. If you get black listed it can take years to regain your natural organic rank.
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Funny but these kinds of keywords tend to reduce your rank rather than improve it unless you can support those keywords in the <h> tags or the body text.
I hate to say this but perhaps it is time Apple considered purchasing a search engine.
And who is to say Apple won't do the same thing that people are accusing Google of doing? If Apple fans are ok with Apple doing it, then this whole issue is not really about search accuracy or wrongdoing by Google, but about personal preference by Apple supporters all along.
No that would not be good because that would be artificially moving Apple up in rank. If Google wanted to be entirely fair then they should make sure they don't give themselves preferential ranking unless they pay for a sponsored link which often times they do. If any correction needs to be made it is for the Google link to be ranked according to the same rules that everyone else is abiding by. Personally I think the Apple page was appropriately ranked but I'm suspicious of the Google link's rank.
Google is constantly tweaking their search algorithms to avoid being "gamed". Have a look at SEObytheSEA for really good commentary on how Google has adjusted it's rankings to keep results as relevant as possible. http://www.seobythesea.com/
And who is to say Apple won't do the same thing that people are accusing Google of doing? If Apple fans are ok with Apple doing it, then this whole issue is not really about search accuracy or wrongdoing by Google, but about personal preference by Apple supporters all along.
Apple has 35+ years of history. When have they made a practice of doing that?
@demonicpaul : happy to learn you trust Bing, from notorious Microsoft reliability-fame.
@macbook pro: if it is an algorithm that was based on server results, as explained by Danny Sullivan, an _independent_ person, it makes sense that what you noticed is compatible with what they noticed. Concluding that Google is evil because their algorithms behave as they were programmed to is logically unsound...
My guess is, as @solipsismx noted, that Google has no interest in playing foul here, and some human did not plan on Apple's server setup when writing his algorithm.
Not the human's fault for not taking every possibility in the world into account, not Google's fault for making a non-perfect system, not Apple's fault for making a certain design decision with their servers, possibly fully aware of the SEO consequences. It's the "fault" of growing complexity in an IT world that caters to billions of users.
Remember when iOS was having issues with Microsoft Exchange servers?
Many of the regulars wrote with great certainty that it was purely a bug with Exchange.
When Apple rolled out the iOS update that fixed the issue, how many here were willing to admit they were wrong?
And how does that prove:
1- anything related to the article
2- that the regulars here were wrong in the first place?
If I was Apple and an Exchange bug was plaguing my users, but I knew how to write a "fix" on my side to avoid that bug, I would. It would make me amazing, not prove I was wrong in the first place...
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Originally Posted by SolipsismX
If I wanted to finagle the results I'd Google's hits at the top and put Apple's hits a little farther down on the page, but still on the same page.
No that would not be good because that would be artificially moving Apple up in rank. If Google wanted to be entirely fair then they should make sure they don't give themselves preferential ranking unless they pay for a sponsored link which often times they do. If any correction needs to be made it is for the Google link to be ranked according to the same rules that everyone else is abiding by. Personally I think the Apple page was appropriately ranked but I'm suspicious of the Google link's rank.
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Originally Posted by SolipsismX
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Originally Posted by mstone
SEO marketers are very aware of the pitfalls of deceptive coding practices. If you get black listed it can take years to regain your natural organic rank.
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Funny but these kinds of keywords tend to reduce your rank rather than improve it unless you can support those keywords in the <h> tags or the body text.
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Originally Posted by MacBook Pro
I hate to say this but perhaps it is time Apple considered purchasing a search engine.
And who is to say Apple won't do the same thing that people are accusing Google of doing? If Apple fans are ok with Apple doing it, then this whole issue is not really about search accuracy or wrongdoing by Google, but about personal preference by Apple supporters all along.
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Google is constantly tweaking their search algorithms to avoid being "gamed". Have a look at SEObytheSEA for really good commentary on how Google has adjusted it's rankings to keep results as relevant as possible.
http://www.seobythesea.com/
Apple has 35+ years of history. When have they made a practice of doing that?
Heck, what company has ever made a practice of promoting its competition to the forefront?
Most companies usually try not to even mention anyone else
Some go further and forbid others to do the same.
A developer cannot mention their Android version in their Apple App Store entry, for example.
and that is the difference.
That's why they should not be trusted. Their own self-interest trumps search results.
@macbook pro: if it is an algorithm that was based on server results, as explained by Danny Sullivan, an _independent_ person, it makes sense that what you noticed is compatible with what they noticed. Concluding that Google is evil because their algorithms behave as they were programmed to is logically unsound...
My guess is, as @solipsismx noted, that Google has no interest in playing foul here, and some human did not plan on Apple's server setup when writing his algorithm.
Not the human's fault for not taking every possibility in the world into account, not Google's fault for making a non-perfect system, not Apple's fault for making a certain design decision with their servers, possibly fully aware of the SEO consequences. It's the "fault" of growing complexity in an IT world that caters to billions of users.
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Originally Posted by jragosta
Anti-google rhetoric.
By the way, I thought you used to be a pro-Google guy who burnt Apple down. What happened, they stopped paying?
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Originally Posted by MacRulez
Remember when iOS was having issues with Microsoft Exchange servers?
Many of the regulars wrote with great certainty that it was purely a bug with Exchange.
When Apple rolled out the iOS update that fixed the issue, how many here were willing to admit they were wrong?
And how does that prove:
1- anything related to the article
2- that the regulars here were wrong in the first place?
If I was Apple and an Exchange bug was plaguing my users, but I knew how to write a "fix" on my side to avoid that bug, I would. It would make me amazing, not prove I was wrong in the first place...
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