China porn app investigation targets Apple, others

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  • Reply 21 of 60
    dasanman69dasanman69 Posts: 13,002member
    apple ][ wrote: »
    So is Apple going to bend over again and apologize to those communists, every time that the crooks come with vague and ridiculous accusations?

    Apple should just tell those evil losers and terrible liars to get lost.

    That's right, you tell them Archie Bunker.
  • Reply 22 of 60
    apple ][apple ][ Posts: 9,233member

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by dasanman69 View Post





    That's right, you tell them Archie Bunker.


    You don't have to be Archie Bunker to recognize that the corrupt Chinese government is complete crap.


     


    Apple is getting shaken down and bullied by a criminal organization here. If the truth offends you, then that's your problem.

  • Reply 23 of 60
    ktappektappe Posts: 824member


    The last time this happened, Apple publicly apologized. I wonder if that's the proper tack to take this time. Apple is obviously in the right here, but I don't know Chinese culture well enough to know if standing up for itself is the best path. What I'd like them to say is "We've had the requested controls in place for years, so much so that we're criticized the world over for having too much censorship. We request [name of gov't official here] specifically tell us what he objected to so that we can discuss the matter." Behind the scenes, I think they should start reminding the Chinese government that labor costs are now higher in China than in many other countries and that iPhones can be manufactured elsewhere. But again, I don't know Chinese culture well enough to know how well a hard-line stance will be received.

  • Reply 24 of 60
    ktappektappe Posts: 824member

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Apple ][ View Post


    You don't have to be Archie Bunker to recognize that the corrupt Chinese government is complete crap.


     


    Apple is getting shaken down and bullied by a criminal organization here. If the truth offends you, then that's your problem.



     


    You miss the point. We're not saying the Chinese government isn't corrupt. We're saying it matters how you deal with it. Telling them to "get lost", Archie Bunker style, will not be productive in any way. Grow up a bit and see if there's a response that would actually lead to a functional resolution.

  • Reply 25 of 60
    dasanman69dasanman69 Posts: 13,002member
    apple ][ wrote: »
    You don't have to be Archie Bunker to recognize that the corrupt Chinese government is complete crap.

    Apple is getting shaken down and bullied by a criminal organization here. If the truth offends you, then that's your problem.

    I agree but telling them to get lost isn't an option. Yes they are big and yes they are a bully but the best way to beat a bully is to stand up to them.
  • Reply 26 of 60
    dasanman69dasanman69 Posts: 13,002member
    ktappe wrote: »
    You miss the point. We're not saying the Chinese government isn't corrupt. We're saying it matters how you deal with it. Telling them to "get lost", Archie Bunker style, will not be productive in any way. Grow up a bit and see if there's a response that would actually lead to a functional resolution.

    Hear hear.
  • Reply 27 of 60
    apple ][apple ][ Posts: 9,233member

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by ktappe View Post


     


    You miss the point. We're not saying the Chinese government isn't corrupt. We're saying it matters how you deal with it. Telling them to "get lost", Archie Bunker style, will not be productive in any way. Grow up a bit and see if there's a response that would actually lead to a functional resolution.



     


    And I'm saying that some things are more important than money. I wonder how many billions Apple lost today, due to another day of ridiculous declines in AAPL? Money is not everything.


     


    Sometimes you have to stand up for what's right.

  • Reply 28 of 60
    aaronjaaronj Posts: 1,595member

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by ktappe View Post


     


    You miss the point. We're not saying the Chinese government isn't corrupt. We're saying it matters how you deal with it. Telling them to "get lost", Archie Bunker style, will not be productive in any way. Grow up a bit and see if there's a response that would actually lead to a functional resolution.



     


    Eh, I'm with Apple ][ on this one.  At some point you need to just say, "You know what?  It's not me, it's you," and draw a line.  

  • Reply 29 of 60

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Apple ][ View Post


    You don't have to be Archie Bunker to recognize that the corrupt Chinese government is complete crap.


     


    Apple is getting shaken down and bullied by a criminal organization here. If the truth offends you, then that's your problem.



     


    Love trolling quotes like this.  Just because it is what you believe does not make it the truth for everyone.

  • Reply 30 of 60
    dasanman69dasanman69 Posts: 13,002member
    aaronj wrote: »
    Eh, I'm with Apple ][ on this one.  At some point you need to just say, "You know what?  It's not me, it's you," and draw a line.  

    Difference is that you're at least giving them an option. "Get lost" does not, it doesn't help them and definitely doesn't help you.
  • Reply 31 of 60
    I don't know why you guys are knocking the Chinese and with the same breath praising Apple. Apple is basically a communist corporation.

    Apple tells you what you can and can't download on your device. It tells developers what they can and can't add to the app store. The only way to circumvent Apple's hold on your device is to jailbreak it (or for the Chinese, using a proxy) , which they make it difficult to do.

    Now all of you obviously enjoy all these restrictions Apple puts on you, and enjoy Apple deciding what's good for you, so what's the problem with the Chinese being told what to watch and what to see on the Internet?
  • Reply 32 of 60
    apple ][apple ][ Posts: 9,233member

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    Originally Posted by mrrodriguez View Post



    I don't know why you guys are knocking the Chinese and with the same breath praising Apple. Apple is basically a communist corporation.



    Apple tells you what you can and can't download on your device. It tells developers what they can and can't add to the app store. The only way to circumvent Apple's hold on your device is to jailbreak it (or for the Chinese, using a proxy) , which they make it difficult to do.



    Now all of you obviously enjoy all these restrictions Apple puts on you, and enjoy Apple deciding what's good for you, so what's the problem with the Chinese being told what to watch and what to see on the Internet?


     


    What a ridiculous comparison. Are you for real?


     


    Nobody is forcing anybody to purchase and use any Apple product. 


     


    If somebody is unfortunate enough to be stuck or living in China, you don't have any choice and you can not refuse anything.

  • Reply 33 of 60
    aaronjaaronj Posts: 1,595member

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    Originally Posted by dasanman69 View Post





    Difference is that you're at least giving them an option. "Get lost" does not, it doesn't help them and definitely doesn't help you.


     


    I understand your point, but really, it's not like the Chinese have "played fair" in any of this.  It's not in their nature.


     


    And I wonder about the "biggest smartphone market" claim, too.  Sure, buy units sold maybe.  But I seriously doubt there's a whole lot of profit happening in the China market for smartphones, to be honest.


     


    The less Apple has to do with China, the better.  (And yes, I realize that they can't completely divest themselves for a multitude of reasons.)

  • Reply 34 of 60
    citycity Posts: 522member


    China needs to buy Apple. Now is the time. It is inevitable that they do. Once they control a substantial percentage of shares of the stock, the price will fall by 90% for them to buy the rest. Apple's presence in China is out of control for the Chinese government. They would be able to keep jobs at home and control the iDevices. Apple could counter by issuing stock and giving it to the US government, but the US might just give that stock to China to cover its debt. Then Apple could issue stock to the Canadian government, but they would give it to Blackberry. I realize that China usually only wants natural resources, but they may need to act now to prevent Apple from a takeover.

  • Reply 35 of 60
    dasanman69dasanman69 Posts: 13,002member
    aaronj wrote: »
    I understand your point, but really, it's not like the Chinese have "played fair in any of this.  It's not in their nature.

    And I wonder about the "biggest smartphone market" claim, too.  Sure, buy units sold maybe.  But I seriously doubt there's a whole lot of profit happening in the China market for smartphones, to be honest.

    The less Apple has to do with China, the better.  (And yes, I realize that they can't completely divest themselves for a multitude of reasons.)

    They are not used to playing fair, one has to make it so that they see that it can't always be their way. It wasn't too long ago that the US government was rife with corruption and while there's still some it's no where as bad. Things changed here and they'll change in China.
  • Reply 36 of 60
    aaronjaaronj Posts: 1,595member

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by dasanman69 View Post





    So how did people reproduce before there was porn?


     


    Actually, if you have seen enough ancient cave paintings, you know that there's ALWAYS been porn.

  • Reply 37 of 60
    dasanman69dasanman69 Posts: 13,002member
    aaronj wrote: »
    Actually, if you have seen enough ancient cave paintings, you know that there's ALWAYS been porn.

    Damn I miss those days lol
  • Reply 38 of 60
    sdw2001sdw2001 Posts: 18,020member
    I'd love to see Apple and other tech giants team up and just completely bail on the Chinese. Pull out of retail completely and move your manufacturing to other nations. I'm sure South America and the U.S. would love to have you. Better yet, pull out in dramatic fashion utterly embarrass them by writing an open letter calling the Chinese out on their oppressive society and Communist evil.
  • Reply 39 of 60
    aaronjaaronj Posts: 1,595member

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by SDW2001 View Post



    I'd love to see Apple and other tech giants team up and just completely bail on the Chinese. Pull out of retail completely and move your manufacturing to other nations. I'm sure South America and the U.S. would love to have you. Better yet, pull out in dramatic fashion utterly embarrass them by writing an open letter calling the Chinese out on their oppressive society and Communist evil.


     


    Off-topic, I know, but it saddens me that countries like China and the Soviet Union have been allowed to define what "communism" means when they are (or were, in the case of the USSR) as far from the concept as could be.  They're simply fascists.


     


    /off-topic rant

  • Reply 40 of 60
    dasanman69dasanman69 Posts: 13,002member
    aaronj wrote: »
    Off-topic, I know, but it saddens me that countries like China and the Soviet Union have been allowed to define what "communism" means when they are (or were, in the case of the USSR) as far from the concept as could be.  They're simply fascists.

    /off-topic rant

    Communism is bad because it's what we've been told over and over. Capitalism is the way to go but yet how many of us are actually capitalists?
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