ITC throws out Motorola patent suit against Apple

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  • Reply 21 of 32

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    Originally Posted by TBell View Post


     


     Google paid 12.9 billion in cash. Motorola had cash on hand bringing the true cost down, but I assume it also had debt perhaps bringing the cost up. On top of that, Google has had to cover Motorola losses since the purchase. Whether it was a good investment or not, I suppose only time will tell. The true cost is hard to tell.



    Those Motomo losses have added up to another cool billion over the last two years. Now, we learn that the patent portfolio has turned out to be worthless as a tool to stall competition. That leave a manufacturing plant that even Google won't use when they want phones... 

  • Reply 22 of 32
    nairbnairb Posts: 253member
    Now motorala still have the older patents to use if this is obvious innovation based on them. Unfortunately for Motorola, they must predate the invalidated one so probably only have a few years to run. Maybe not enough time to run through the courts.

    The patent system is a mess and all major brands are donating millions to lawyers for patents that keep getting invalidated.

    Maybe all parties should sue the patent office for issuing patents that do not hold up based on things that they should have known about. Might cause them to get their act together.
  • Reply 23 of 32

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    Originally Posted by AppleInsider View Post



    The U.S. International Trade Commission on Monday ended a two-and-a-half year patent suit leveraged by Motorola against Apple, throwing out the the case as the last of six patents-in-suit was found to be invalid.



    Google has the chance to appeal the ITC decision with the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Federal Circuit, where another decision on Motorola patents is already being argued.


    So has the case ended or not? \confused

  • Reply 24 of 32
    gatorguygatorguy Posts: 21,296member

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    Originally Posted by AdeFowler View Post


    So has the case ended or not? \confused



    Done unless Moto wishes to appeal it. Personally I hope it's done and over.

  • Reply 25 of 32
    gatorguygatorguy Posts: 21,296member

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    Originally Posted by Macky the Macky View Post


    Those Motomo losses have added up to another cool billion over the last two years. Now, we learn that the patent portfolio has turned out to be worthless as a tool to stall competition.  



    Out of 17,000+ patents Motorola held they used what, a dozen or so in these three or four IP cases? From those you can tell the other 16,988+ are worthless? These are all lawsuits started by Motorola long before Google even made an offer to buy them. None happened after Google took over. I suspect in the 20,000+ patents that Google has now that more than a few would cause severe migraines for competitors if they were a litigious company. Fortunately for the industry they are not. There's already plenty of lawsuits to go around.

  • Reply 26 of 32
    kdarlingkdarling Posts: 1,640member


    For those interested, the ITC decision is available here:


     


    http://www.usitc.gov/secretary/fed_reg_notices/337/337_745_Notice04222013sgl.pdf

  • Reply 27 of 32
    tbelltbell Posts: 3,146member
    gatorguy wrote: »
    Done unless Moto wishes to appeal it. Personally I hope it's done and over.

    Done as far as an injunction through the ITC is concerned.
  • Reply 28 of 32
    MacProMacPro Posts: 18,457member
    And Apple's stock will start rebounding. People have been wondering how is it this stock is taking a beating. Wall Street has been betting the lawsuit victories for Apple would be few and far between.

    They bet wrong.

    You are pretty much always correct in your opinions so here's hoping you continue that way! :)
  • Reply 29 of 32
    MacProMacPro Posts: 18,457member



    Moto Mobility was split out to avoid the massive blood letting of Motorola proper. Its IP Portfolio is junk and was told by many experts to be junk. Google is using those junk patents in an attempt to stall Apple through legal channels while it pushing hard on its R&D/IP to catch up.


    It's not working. Samsung is doing the same and both are not working. Apple has doubled and will triple it's R&D/IP developed Patents in-house this year alone from two years ago never mind the war chest of patents they've purchased for the long-haul.


    Sorry, but Google should be seeing it's position go up with positive earnings reports. Instead, it's stagnant.


    What's truly ironic with all these watershed doom and gloom reports on Apple is the fact that Apple has triple the Revenue, quadruple the income profits over the past 12 months and it's just getting started.


    All those billions being invested in datacenter build outs by Apple, the new main campus, the massive influx of R&D are all signs that Steve's vision is going according to plan.


    This crack about Tim losing confidence with the Board is a crock of crap. Apple designs and builds for 5 year growth patterns. We're just about to enter a new one.

    Amen to that (and that's coming from an atheist! ).
  • Reply 30 of 32
    gatorguygatorguy Posts: 21,296member

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    Originally Posted by mdriftmeyer View Post


     





    Moto Mobility was split out to avoid the massive blood letting of Motorola proper. Its IP Portfolio is junk and was told by many experts to be junk. Google is using those junk patents in an attempt to stall Apple through legal channels while it pushing hard on its R&D/IP to catch up.


    That's an odd claim to make. Google hasn't used Motorola patents against Apple. Not even one time. In fact they haven't used Moto's patents against anyone at all have they? I think you have what Apple and Google hope to accomplish with lawsuits reversed if anything.

  • Reply 31 of 32
    gatorguygatorguy Posts: 21,296member


    What Mueller writes when Nokia loses patent challenges against Android.


     


       "Just like other litigants in this industry, Nokia is experiencing a fairly high drop-out rate of its patent infringement claims against its rivals. . . The dismissal of a second Nokia lawsuit targeting Google Play is a significant achievement for (HTC' and Google) ...


     


       Then he goes on to write  "The aforementioned afternoon trial didn't go much better for Nokia than the one in the morning. The divisional (EP'167) Nokia is asserting only against ViewSonic is too narrow in the court's opinion to read on the accused technology, which is the auto-save feature of the Android email client. The court is inclined to find the broader EP'077 infringed, but it strongly doubts its validity, making a stay the most likely outcome and an outright dismissal the second-most likely one."


     


       "So far, three Nokia v. HTC lawsuits have been dismissed and a couple of others have been stayed voluntarily. HTC's countersuits will likely be adjudged in the late summer. It's unclear how much leverage Nokia will have at a point at which HTC may finally win something."


     


    So how does Mueller spin it when a Google rival loses an IP assertion against Android or one of it's licensees?


       "Nokia does have some gems in its patent portfolio, but it takes dozens of patent assertions to identify them. "


    http://www.fosspatents.com/2013/04/german-court-dismisses-another-nokia.html


     


    But when Motorola (Google) loses a patent assertion against a rival he says this:


       "Google won't be able to address Android's wide-scale patent infringement issues through litigation over Motorola's patents, which have given it no real leverage so far and probably never will."


    http://www.fosspatents.com/2013/04/setback-for-google-german-court-finds.html


     


    Funny stuff.

  • Reply 32 of 32
    SpamSandwichSpamSandwich Posts: 31,504member

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    Originally Posted by mdriftmeyer View Post


     

    Sorry, but Wall Street follows the hundreds of lawsuits going on and projects damages accordingly.


     


    I've heard little of that angle from the cadre of loudmouth Apple analysts.

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