For me concerning the HTC One and Samsung S3/S4, I don't understand the "Omgz Aluminum & Polycarbonate" debate. My iPhone spends 99% of its time in a case, to the uneducated the thing could be made of plastic lol. I guess if you didn't use a case I could see the issue though.....I just can't imagine not using a case to protect my phone.
Battery technology is the gorilla in the mobile room. Technology companies like Apple, Samsung, HTC, etc. should be sending a few billion dollars each to research centers like M.I.T. and the like. We need a "Manhattan Project" to advance power technology. Think of the explosion of innovation if powering a device were a trivial thing. As it is everything is limited by how big the battery is and how long it will last.
I agree! It is amazing how smartphone technology is pushing forward but battery technology doesn't seem to be.
Think of the explosion of innovation if powering a device were a trivial thing. As it is everything is limited by how big the battery is and how long it will last.
I think a lot of us would agree with you.
In the past, the limiting factors have been more along the lines of affordable processors, memory, displays, and wireless connections. The next big leap could very well be in power storage.
It would be especially necessary if someone really wants to do a smartwatch that people are expected to wear day and night.
Battery technology is the gorilla in the mobile room. Technology companies like Apple, Samsung, HTC, etc. should be sending a few billion dollars each to research centers like M.I.T. and the like. We need a "Manhattan Project" to advance power technology. Think of the explosion of innovation if powering a device were a trivial thing. As it is everything is limited by how big the battery is and how long it will last.
Battery technology is a problem, however there is an inherent danger with packing more battery storage into a smaller space, and no one wants to be liable for it. By design, batteries are designed to store an incredible amount of energy, that's great,as long as the energy input and output can be controlled. And I don't mean controlled so that it works perfectly 99.99% of the time, but 100% of the time, in hot and cold weather, when it gets a little wet, when it gets dropped etc. Batteries in these devices need to be self contained, and resistant to everything we can imagine. We can store more energy in them, but it just makes catastrophic failure more likely. After the disaster of sony's batteries a few years ago, everyone is a bit afraid of really innovating in that market. Currently, a phone's battery is small enough (in capacity) that it's not likely to kill someone if it fails catastrophically. However, if the battery held 10x the energy, it could do some serious damage to people, plus in the hands of terrorists...
It would be awesome to see a phone pack twice as much energy in a battery, but unless they can make them significantly safer than today's batteries, I don't think I'd want to risk it, nor would many companies want to take on the liability nightmare.
they went a little overboard with features for the sake of features.
New feature don't hurt: don't like em don't use them. At least Samsung pushes boundaries of how we interact with a phone.
The S4 is a major upgrade unlike 4S. The S4 has thinned lighter body, bigger screen and bigger battery. A different resolution and pixel structure from S3.
Who made a 'revolutionary' phone in the last couple of years anyway?
The 16GB version of the S4 is being sold on Sprint for $50 more than the 16GB iPhone 5 and they have already sold out of pre-orders. It might only be a ho hum evolutionary upgrade but I think it will easily break the S3 sales. One other reason Samsung far outsells rivals like HTC is the vast number of cases and other accessories that rival the iPhone accessory market. I am a heavy phone user and not always near an outlet so even my iPhone 5 which gets very good battery life tends to run out by around late afternoon so I bought a maxboost extended battery case. I like the fact that the case and battery parts are detachable so I only need to use the battery part once my iPhone battery is near dead but it is always protected in a case. These type of options are also available for the Galaxy range but not so many for other Android phones. That would be a very important factor for me when choosing any phone.
As far as the bloatware, Samsung makes it very easy to root and install your ROM. In the bad old days that was rather tedious and hard to do but now it is not much more difficult than jailbreaking on an iPhone. The main reason for rooting for many is to enable free tether to a tablet or laptop. Still hoping Apple surprises me and makes a larger iPhone but if they don't I have already started looking at other phones and ROM options.
Yours was a mistake common to these forums: when criticizing AppleInsider, folks rush to defend it as though it's an attack on Apple, when in fact it frequently (as was the case here) is not.
Tip: AppleInsider feeds Google's coffers (ad server), not Apple's. Consider your allegiances and defenses accordingly.
In the past, the limiting factors have been more along the lines of affordable processors, memory, displays, and wireless connections. The next big leap could very well be in power storage.
It would be especially necessary if someone really wants to do a smartwatch that people are expected to wear day and night.
Blah... so close. I wanted someone to say the next big leap could be the leap home (or the leap phone, if they made a phone called that I would buy it just for the reference). The one thing I really dislike with the review is how they equate plastic to build quality. The engadget review mentions faux chrome, which sounds kind of cheesy. i don't think there's anything special about aluminum though. Machined is likely stronger than something mold cast, but not going into detail beyond "it's plastic" is just lazy journalism.
For me concerning the HTC One and Samsung S3/S4, I don't understand the "Omgz Aluminum & Polycarbonate" debate. My iPhone spends 99% of its time in a case, to the uneducated the thing could be made of plastic lol. I guess if you didn't use a case I could see the issue though.....I just can't imagine not using a case to protect my phone.
My iPhone 5 spends 100% of its time outside of a case. It's not beat up or anything. FYI. It can be done, if you are careful.
This can be a nice mid-range phone, if priced accordingly. Still, the Nexus 4 looks better because of the software and better screen and design.
I hope Samsung have the decency to price it lower than the Nexus, so they don't end up just selling for the millions of ignorants and retards of this world.
If they have a screen that only has a place on a 200 dollar phone, a build construction and design that pales to the xperia J, "extra" software and skin that brings android closer to froyo, why try to fool people instead of pricing it accordingly? 250, no contract and they can still have a healthy profit to pay for the xerox printers and lawyers.
The S4?
They're pricing it in line with the iPhone 5.....
"Sprint is charging $250 for the 16 gigabyte model on a two- year contract, while AT&T (T) is charging $200 and Verizon (VZ) Wireless, which isn’t launching the phone immediately, hasn’t yet set a price. T-Mobile (DTE), which is doing away with the practice of subsidizing the cost of phones, is charging $630 but isn’t requiring a two-year service commitment."
I'd love to know the percentage of smartphone users that want/need/use these "advanced" features (that require an easy mode for us dumb folks). I'm sure a large percentage of those commenting on Engadget, the Verge, etc. do but what percentage are they of the total smartphone market?
Could be Samsung went hog wild with all these features, which some reviewers are calling gimmicks, because otherwise it would just be a new phone with a faster processor and better camera, which would garner a collective ho hum in the tech press.
Probably why Samsung included a way to turn all those features OFF in one move: "easy mode". Returning it to a phone people could actually use.
Yours was a mistake common to these forums: when criticizing AppleInsider, folks rush to defend it as though it's an attack on Apple, when in fact it frequently (as was the case here) is not.
Tip: AppleInsider feeds Google's coffers (ad server), not Apple's. Consider your allegiances and defenses accordingly.
LOL. I don't think Solips is "defending" this site. I wouldn't. It is not affiliated with Apple. And for the most part, it is so ad laden, DigiTimes-repeating, and click-baited up that it shouldn't be taken as anything but an amusing distraction. I'm surprised anyone from Apple, Inc visits this site (they do, if the server log claims are to be believed).
eature don't hurt: don't like em don't use them. At least Samsung pushes boundaries of how we interact with a phone.
High praise for a company who prior to the iPhone's success, did nothing of the sort. I'm sure they appreciate your perception that "kitchen sinking" equates to "pushing boundaries."
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Good one. The Edsel is a bit more yonic, and therefore more attractive. I hope this doesn't give Samsung any ideas.
For me concerning the HTC One and Samsung S3/S4, I don't understand the "Omgz Aluminum & Polycarbonate" debate. My iPhone spends 99% of its time in a case, to the uneducated the thing could be made of plastic lol. I guess if you didn't use a case I could see the issue though.....I just can't imagine not using a case to protect my phone.
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Originally Posted by lkrupp
Battery technology is the gorilla in the mobile room. Technology companies like Apple, Samsung, HTC, etc. should be sending a few billion dollars each to research centers like M.I.T. and the like. We need a "Manhattan Project" to advance power technology. Think of the explosion of innovation if powering a device were a trivial thing. As it is everything is limited by how big the battery is and how long it will last.
I agree! It is amazing how smartphone technology is pushing forward but battery technology doesn't seem to be.
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Originally Posted by lkrupp
Think of the explosion of innovation if powering a device were a trivial thing. As it is everything is limited by how big the battery is and how long it will last.
I think a lot of us would agree with you.
In the past, the limiting factors have been more along the lines of affordable processors, memory, displays, and wireless connections. The next big leap could very well be in power storage.
It would be especially necessary if someone really wants to do a smartwatch that people are expected to wear day and night.
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Originally Posted by GTR
Unfortunately, 'advanced users' are a minority.
Why spend time 'customising your widgets' when you could be with your girlfriend, wife, or friend-with-benefits?
'Advanced users' generally lack any of those things...
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Originally Posted by lkrupp
Battery technology is the gorilla in the mobile room. Technology companies like Apple, Samsung, HTC, etc. should be sending a few billion dollars each to research centers like M.I.T. and the like. We need a "Manhattan Project" to advance power technology. Think of the explosion of innovation if powering a device were a trivial thing. As it is everything is limited by how big the battery is and how long it will last.
Battery technology is a problem, however there is an inherent danger with packing more battery storage into a smaller space, and no one wants to be liable for it. By design, batteries are designed to store an incredible amount of energy, that's great,as long as the energy input and output can be controlled. And I don't mean controlled so that it works perfectly 99.99% of the time, but 100% of the time, in hot and cold weather, when it gets a little wet, when it gets dropped etc. Batteries in these devices need to be self contained, and resistant to everything we can imagine. We can store more energy in them, but it just makes catastrophic failure more likely. After the disaster of sony's batteries a few years ago, everyone is a bit afraid of really innovating in that market. Currently, a phone's battery is small enough (in capacity) that it's not likely to kill someone if it fails catastrophically. However, if the battery held 10x the energy, it could do some serious damage to people, plus in the hands of terrorists...
It would be awesome to see a phone pack twice as much energy in a battery, but unless they can make them significantly safer than today's batteries, I don't think I'd want to risk it, nor would many companies want to take on the liability nightmare.
phil
I think the keyword here is 'not', right between them.
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Originally Posted by Frood
they went a little overboard with features for the sake of features.
New feature don't hurt: don't like em don't use them. At least Samsung pushes boundaries of how we interact with a phone.
The S4 is a major upgrade unlike 4S. The S4 has thinned lighter body, bigger screen and bigger battery. A different resolution and pixel structure from S3.
Who made a 'revolutionary' phone in the last couple of years anyway?
Originally Posted by mercury99
At least Samsung pushes boundaries of how we interact with a phone.
*snicker*
The S4 is a major upgrade unlike 4S.
*snort*
Who made a 'revolutionary' phone in the last couple of years anyway?
Apple.
The 16GB version of the S4 is being sold on Sprint for $50 more than the 16GB iPhone 5 and they have already sold out of pre-orders. It might only be a ho hum evolutionary upgrade but I think it will easily break the S3 sales. One other reason Samsung far outsells rivals like HTC is the vast number of cases and other accessories that rival the iPhone accessory market. I am a heavy phone user and not always near an outlet so even my iPhone 5 which gets very good battery life tends to run out by around late afternoon so I bought a maxboost extended battery case. I like the fact that the case and battery parts are detachable so I only need to use the battery part once my iPhone battery is near dead but it is always protected in a case. These type of options are also available for the Galaxy range but not so many for other Android phones. That would be a very important factor for me when choosing any phone.
As far as the bloatware, Samsung makes it very easy to root and install your ROM. In the bad old days that was rather tedious and hard to do but now it is not much more difficult than jailbreaking on an iPhone. The main reason for rooting for many is to enable free tether to a tablet or laptop. Still hoping Apple surprises me and makes a larger iPhone but if they don't I have already started looking at other phones and ROM options.
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Point taken on him bashing AI in this instance.
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Originally Posted by KDarling
I think a lot of us would agree with you.
In the past, the limiting factors have been more along the lines of affordable processors, memory, displays, and wireless connections. The next big leap could very well be in power storage.
It would be especially necessary if someone really wants to do a smartwatch that people are expected to wear day and night.
Blah... so close. I wanted someone to say the next big leap could be the leap home (or the leap phone, if they made a phone called that I would buy it just for the reference). The one thing I really dislike with the review is how they equate plastic to build quality. The engadget review mentions faux chrome, which sounds kind of cheesy. i don't think there's anything special about aluminum though. Machined is likely stronger than something mold cast, but not going into detail beyond "it's plastic" is just lazy journalism.
My iPhone 5 spends 100% of its time outside of a case. It's not beat up or anything. FYI. It can be done, if you are careful.
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Originally Posted by pedromartins
This can be a nice mid-range phone, if priced accordingly. Still, the Nexus 4 looks better because of the software and better screen and design.
I hope Samsung have the decency to price it lower than the Nexus, so they don't end up just selling for the millions of ignorants and retards of this world.
If they have a screen that only has a place on a 200 dollar phone, a build construction and design that pales to the xperia J, "extra" software and skin that brings android closer to froyo, why try to fool people instead of pricing it accordingly? 250, no contract and they can still have a healthy profit to pay for the xerox printers and lawyers.
The S4?
They're pricing it in line with the iPhone 5.....
"Sprint is charging $250 for the 16 gigabyte model on a two- year contract, while AT&T (T) is charging $200 and Verizon (VZ) Wireless, which isn’t launching the phone immediately, hasn’t yet set a price. T-Mobile (DTE), which is doing away with the practice of subsidizing the cost of phones, is charging $630 but isn’t requiring a two-year service commitment."
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-04-24/samsung-stumbles-with-galaxy-s4-phone-rich-jaroslovsky.html
Is that a Quantum Leap reference?
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Originally Posted by Rogifan
I'd love to know the percentage of smartphone users that want/need/use these "advanced" features (that require an easy mode for us dumb folks). I'm sure a large percentage of those commenting on Engadget, the Verge, etc. do but what percentage are they of the total smartphone market?
Could be Samsung went hog wild with all these features, which some reviewers are calling gimmicks, because otherwise it would just be a new phone with a faster processor and better camera, which would garner a collective ho hum in the tech press.
Probably why Samsung included a way to turn all those features OFF in one move: "easy mode". Returning it to a phone people could actually use.
LOL. I don't think Solips is "defending" this site. I wouldn't. It is not affiliated with Apple. And for the most part, it is so ad laden, DigiTimes-repeating, and click-baited up that it shouldn't be taken as anything but an amusing distraction. I'm surprised anyone from Apple, Inc visits this site (they do, if the server log claims are to be believed).
High praise for a company who prior to the iPhone's success, did nothing of the sort. I'm sure they appreciate your perception that "kitchen sinking" equates to "pushing boundaries."