Error in article - Sprint Q4 2012 was 2.2 MM iPhones out of 6.1 MM smartphones or 36%. This quarter was 1.5 MM iPhones out of 4.5 MM smartphones or 33%. For 2012 - iPhone was about 33%. Sprint is the only one of the 3 not to increase the percentage iphones year over year. AT&T is at 80% iphone and Verizon at 56% iphone. Sprint's non-LTE network is very slow so I suspect they are not getting the lower end sales that the other carriers are getting.
Since AT&T were the exclusive iPhone carrier for several years they managed to gain subscribers from other carriers specifically to get an iPhone. Now that all the carriers have the iPhone that is no longer an issue and you may start to see some leave AT&T again to go back to their former carriers. Right now everything is all in flux since Verizon is the only carrier with a pretty developed LTE network. But by the end of the year AT&T and Sprint will both have substantial LTE coverage as well then people can start comparing plans, costs, in addition to coverage and you might start to see far more churn.
I doubt that many people will move because of the new data plans. Why would I leave a grandfathered unlimited data plan with AT&T for a capped one on VZW?
But not all other phones were released on that same day. Not all other upgrade cycles are synchronized, and what about the other 70%? They were upgrading, were they not? But they chose a different device. Again out of 100 people buying a smartphone with Sprint last quarter only 30 chose the iPhone. So why did the other 70 not choose the iPhone? Because the iPhone 5 was 4,5,6 months old? Did they choose a older SGS 3,or a equally old Motorola phone, or Win phone?
<a href="http://www.att.com/gen/press-room?pid=24091&cdvn=news&newsarticleid=36339&mapcode=corporate|financial" style="color:rgb(88,146,196);font-family:'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;font-size:16px;line-height:25px;" target="_blank">AT&T’s Q1 results</a>
<span style="color:rgb(87,74,66);font-family:'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;font-size:16px;line-height:25px;"> revealed sales of 4m iPhones, or 67% of all its smartphone sales. This is down from 84% in the final quarter of 2012 which is of course the holiday quarter where people give and receive gifts…</span>
Subscriber socio-economics (at least in part), I am guessing?
I just looked on the Sprint website and they have the iPhone 5 for $99.99. If you're to broke to afford that then you shouldn't be getting a smartphone.
Sprint is dead. The once cell phone titanic is on its way to the bottom. The other companies will scramble to save the surviving tech from it's hull and let it sink. Yay.
Sprint is dead. The once cell phone titanic is on its way to the bottom. The other companies will scramble to save the surviving tech from it's hull and let it sink. Yay.
Sprint was almost dead for sure and buying Nextel with their incompatible IDEN technology was nearly like hitting an iceberg. But things have turned around for the better. Softbank has a lot of cash and they also know how to compete and win against bigger rivals since they did that in Japan. I switched from AT&T to Sprint because I had a lot of dropped calls on AT&T. In fact I had to go out into my yard to avoid dropping a call. Since then I have been very happy with Sprint. I am a heavy data user and no other carrier offers unlimited data. The ones that claim unlimited like T-Mobile or AT&T grandfather plans still throttle you after you reach a certain limit. I already have good Sprint LTE coverage where I live and I get great speeds. I enjoy not having to worry about watching how much data I use. I don't know how long Sprint can or will maintain unlimited data but I will enjoy it while it lasts.
And I'd say that Android users tend to buy another Android which is why the numbers for VZW and Sprint are not the same as AT&T. Why is THAT so hard for YOU to understand? If it's true one way can it not be also true the other? If you have another theory on why 7 out of 10 people on Sprint getting a smartphone did not choose the iPhone I'd like to hear it.
Maybe Sprint wouldn't lose customers if their flipping 3G service didn't suck so bad. I'm hoping 4G goes live in my area soon. What good is an unlimited data plan if I can barely use it.
Well I agree with you on Sprint and yes in LTE area where there is good coverage Sprint is great. Problem is their coverage area. It sucks. I am using a Virgin Mobile internet device and it is on 3G. It uses sprint network. The 3G usage is terrible compared to my ATT iPhone that gets way better data speeds. I made a mistake purchasing this Virgin Mobile sprint network device.
You seem to have forgotten which post I responded to: post #17
"Then why the difference in numbers? Why are iPhones only 55% of the sales on VZW, but almost 70% on AT&T?"
Other people have provided possible reasons for Sprint's figures.
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Originally Posted by dasanman69
And I'd say that Android users tend to buy another Android which is why the numbers for VZW and Sprint are not the same as AT&T. Why is THAT so hard for YOU to understand? If it's true one way can it not be also true the other? If you have another theory on why 7 out of 10 people on Sprint getting a smartphone did not choose the iPhone I'd like to hear it.
OK. You seem to be getting the picture now. That's a good thing!
Look, I realize that you are getting your panties in a bunch because 3 models of iPhone are posting higher figures, in the US, than all other brands put together.... but that's just the way it is. It was the same throughout 2012... and 2013 has started in the vein.
Don't worry. I am sure it won't always be this way.
You seem to have forgotten which post I responded to: post #17
"Then why the difference in numbers? Why are iPhones only 55% of the sales on VZW, but almost 70% on AT&T?"
Other people have provided possible reasons for Sprint's figures.
OK. You seem to be getting the picture now. That's a good thing!
Look, I realize that you are getting your panties in a bunch because 3 models of iPhone are posting higher figures, in the US, than all other brands put together.... but that's just the way it is. It was the same throughout 2012... and 2013 has started in the vein.
Don't worry. I am sure it won't always be this way.
Read the previous posts. I've always had the picture correct. It was other posters that couldn't understand those simple facts. Upgrade cycle is not a good answer to explain why 7 out of 10 people didn't choose the iPhone because their upgrade cycle is up for renewal. The iPhone was there for them to choose but they chose otherwise. Are they saying that because the iPhone 5 isn't 'new' or just released that they'd rather choose a different phone for the next 2 years?
The industry wide accepted practice is comparing sales in the current quarter to sales in the same quarter the following year. You don't come consecutive quarters. When using the proper measure, Sprint sold the same amount of iPhones in Q2 last year as this Q2 this year. So, Sprint's sales of iPhones were not down.
Read the previous posts. I've always had the picture correct. It was other posters that couldn't understand those simple facts. Upgrade cycle is not a good answer to explain why 7 out of 10 people didn't choose the iPhone because their upgrade cycle is up for renewal. The iPhone was there for them to choose but they chose otherwise. Are they saying that because the iPhone 5 isn't 'new' or just released that they'd rather choose a different phone for the next 2 years?
"Then why the difference in numbers? Why are iPhones only 55% of the sales on VZW, but almost 70% on AT&T?"
"Upgrade cycle is not a good answer to explain why 7 out of 10 people didn't choose the iPhone because their upgrade cycle is up for renewal"
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Originally Posted by dasanman69
Then why the difference in numbers? Why are iPhones only 55% of the sales on VZW, but almost 70% on AT&T?
Upgrade cycle!
iPhone 4S is, still, less than two years old.
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Originally Posted by Rogifan
9to5 Mac is wrong I think. WSJ says 4.8M up from 4.3M from the same quarter last year.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887323735604578441141770990394.html
Agreed. Based on the links some others provided in this thread 9to5 made a fairly big rounding error.
AT&T is at 80% iphone and Verizon at 56% iphone. Sprint's non-LTE network is very slow so I suspect they are not getting the lower end sales that the other carriers are getting.
I doubt that many people will move because of the new data plans. Why would I leave a grandfathered unlimited data plan with AT&T for a capped one on VZW?
But not all other phones were released on that same day. Not all other upgrade cycles are synchronized, and what about the other 70%? They were upgrading, were they not? But they chose a different device. Again out of 100 people buying a smartphone with Sprint last quarter only 30 chose the iPhone. So why did the other 70 not choose the iPhone? Because the iPhone 5 was 4,5,6 months old? Did they choose a older SGS 3,or a equally old Motorola phone, or Win phone?
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Originally Posted by Steven N.
Lets see:
AT&T iPhone gets 80%
Verizon iPhone gets 55%
Sprint iPhone gets 30%
Odd. I understand the AT&T being so strong but it really puzzles me on Sprint and Verizon being so different.
Subscriber socio-economics (at least in part), I am guessing?
AT&T's call sheet has 4.8 million. 9to5Mac seems to have dropped 800,000 units due to rounding.
I just looked on the Sprint website and they have the iPhone 5 for $99.99. If you're to broke to afford that then you shouldn't be getting a smartphone.
Sprint is dead. The once cell phone titanic is on its way to the bottom. The other companies will scramble to save the surviving tech from it's hull and let it sink. Yay.
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Originally Posted by tylerk36
Sprint is dead. The once cell phone titanic is on its way to the bottom. The other companies will scramble to save the surviving tech from it's hull and let it sink. Yay.
Sprint was almost dead for sure and buying Nextel with their incompatible IDEN technology was nearly like hitting an iceberg. But things have turned around for the better. Softbank has a lot of cash and they also know how to compete and win against bigger rivals since they did that in Japan. I switched from AT&T to Sprint because I had a lot of dropped calls on AT&T. In fact I had to go out into my yard to avoid dropping a call. Since then I have been very happy with Sprint. I am a heavy data user and no other carrier offers unlimited data. The ones that claim unlimited like T-Mobile or AT&T grandfather plans still throttle you after you reach a certain limit. I already have good Sprint LTE coverage where I live and I get great speeds. I enjoy not having to worry about watching how much data I use. I don't know how long Sprint can or will maintain unlimited data but I will enjoy it while it lasts.
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Originally Posted by dasanman69
But not all other phones were released on that same day. Not all other upgrade cycles are synchronized,
Why do you find this so hard to understand?
US smartphone ownership passed 50% back in 2012.
Therefore, the majority of smartphone buyers (in Q1 213) are upgrading from.... a previous smartphone.
Probably after a period of around 2 years.
iPhone users tend to buy another iPhone.
Two years ago the majority of AT&T's smartphone users ... had an iPhone. Two years ago the majority of Verizon smartphone owners.... didn't.
Simples!
<Disclaimer> There are, of course, additional reasons. </>
And I'd say that Android users tend to buy another Android which is why the numbers for VZW and Sprint are not the same as AT&T. Why is THAT so hard for YOU to understand? If it's true one way can it not be also true the other? If you have another theory on why 7 out of 10 people on Sprint getting a smartphone did not choose the iPhone I'd like to hear it.
Well I agree with you on Sprint and yes in LTE area where there is good coverage Sprint is great. Problem is their coverage area. It sucks. I am using a Virgin Mobile internet device and it is on 3G. It uses sprint network. The 3G usage is terrible compared to my ATT iPhone that gets way better data speeds. I made a mistake purchasing this Virgin Mobile sprint network device.
You seem to have forgotten which post I responded to: post #17
"Then why the difference in numbers? Why are iPhones only 55% of the sales on VZW, but almost 70% on AT&T?"
Other people have provided possible reasons for Sprint's figures.
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Originally Posted by dasanman69
And I'd say that Android users tend to buy another Android which is why the numbers for VZW and Sprint are not the same as AT&T. Why is THAT so hard for YOU to understand? If it's true one way can it not be also true the other? If you have another theory on why 7 out of 10 people on Sprint getting a smartphone did not choose the iPhone I'd like to hear it.
OK. You seem to be getting the picture now. That's a good thing!
Look, I realize that you are getting your panties in a bunch because 3 models of iPhone are posting higher figures, in the US, than all other brands put together.... but that's just the way it is. It was the same throughout 2012... and 2013 has started in the vein.
Don't worry. I am sure it won't always be this way.
Read the previous posts. I've always had the picture correct. It was other posters that couldn't understand those simple facts. Upgrade cycle is not a good answer to explain why 7 out of 10 people didn't choose the iPhone because their upgrade cycle is up for renewal. The iPhone was there for them to choose but they chose otherwise. Are they saying that because the iPhone 5 isn't 'new' or just released that they'd rather choose a different phone for the next 2 years?
The industry wide accepted practice is comparing sales in the current quarter to sales in the same quarter the following year. You don't come consecutive quarters. When using the proper measure, Sprint sold the same amount of iPhones in Q2 last year as this Q2 this year. So, Sprint's sales of iPhones were not down.
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Originally Posted by dasanman69
Read the previous posts. I've always had the picture correct. It was other posters that couldn't understand those simple facts. Upgrade cycle is not a good answer to explain why 7 out of 10 people didn't choose the iPhone because their upgrade cycle is up for renewal. The iPhone was there for them to choose but they chose otherwise. Are they saying that because the iPhone 5 isn't 'new' or just released that they'd rather choose a different phone for the next 2 years?
"Then why the difference in numbers? Why are iPhones only 55% of the sales on VZW, but almost 70% on AT&T?"
"Upgrade cycle is not a good answer to explain why 7 out of 10 people didn't choose the iPhone because their upgrade cycle is up for renewal"
Maths problem?
Not at all. I was referring to the 30% of people on Sprint that chose the iPhone.