AT&T just reported that 80% of their smartphone activations were iPhones. So that portends a huge demand for the S4 that cannot be met? I don't get it.
It was 80% because Samsung shot themselves in the foot with the early announcement... Next quarter the S4 is sure to be 80% and the iPhone 20%¡
AT&T just reported that 80% of their smartphone activations were iPhones. So that portends a huge demand for the S4 that cannot be met? I don't get it.
The comments here about creating fake shortages make no sense from a real life point of view.
If someone is in the market for a high end Android phone, there are some good choices right now.
The last thing that Samsung wants to happen at this point in time, is to not be able to supply enough units to meet demand... and perhaps lose potential customers to HTC or elsewhere.
Hey we're just sending the Fandroids comments back at them. Sammy better hope there were no lines.
If Sammy actual released numbers, I wonder if Wall Street will be disappointed in them selling "only" 2MM.
So the Galaxy S4 is not revolutionary ... big deal. Has there been a Galaxy S or Galaxy Tab that can be considered revolutionary?
Save for the first iPhone, what recent phone can truly be classified as revolutionary? 3G, LTE, Siri, etc. are all very nice incremental innovations. But revolution? Only the following would qualify: Motorola DynaTac, the Blackberry Quark (that was the first BB with an integrated phone?), the phone that Philippe Kahn used to take and share photograph his daughter and the iPhone.
Pundits, journalists, analysts, etc. throw around words like revolution, innovation and disruption like they toss pennies in the Starbucks tip jar - as if they don't mean something. This is why they expect a "revolutionary product" from Apple every year - the word "revolution" has been so cheapened that every company is considered a failure if they produce a single product that is merely an upgrade.
I don't understand their strategy of making two models with different CPU's. They did the same thing with the S3. One version of the S4 will include an octa core CPU of around 1.5 or 1.6GHz if memory serves. Then the one that will be sold in the U.S. and possibly Europe will be a quad core 1.9GHz version. From some initial pre-release benchmarks and other tests the octa core seemed to be a faster phone. I wonder why they make two versions and also wonder why or how they choose which countries will get which version. I would think they would want to sell their fastest version here in the U.S. since they aren't doing nearly as well here as in other countries.
here is a link talking about the differences between the 2 versions.
"Designed to take on apples I phone 5" ..... It must take a 7 yr old child to write these. The Iphone 5 AND Galaxy S3 came out last yr meaning the S3 was in competition with the I phone 5. No one makes a phone to compare with last years model because it would be a landslide. The GS4 blows the Iphone 5 out the water and is in competition with the coming Iphone 5s. Get it now?
I don't understand their strategy of making two models with different CPU's. They did the same thing with the S3. One version of the S4 will include an octa core CPU of around 1.5 or 1.6GHz if memory serves. Then the one that will be sold in the U.S. and possibly Europe will be a quad core 1.9GHz version. From some initial pre-release benchmarks and other tests the octa core seemed to be a faster phone. I wonder why they make two versions and also wonder why or how they choose which countries will get which version. I would think they would want to sell their fastest version here in the U.S. since they aren't doing nearly as well here as in other countries.
If I'm not mistaken the CPU used for the international version doesn't play nicely with LTE chipsets used in the US.
"Designed to take on apples I phone 5" ..... It must take a 7 yr old child to write these. The Iphone 5 AND Galaxy S3 came out last yr meaning the S3 was in competition with the I phone 5. No one makes a phone to compare with last years model because it would be a landslide. The GS4 blows the Iphone 5 out the water and is in competition with the coming Iphone 5s. Get it now?
First post and I see that you are already trying real hard to get along and make friends.
If I'm not mistaken the CPU used for the international version doesn't play nicely with LTE chipsets used in the US.
I did a bit more research and it seems that the octa-core will not include any LTE at all, only 3G. Korea and Japan both have wide LTE deployment while most of Europe are still pretty far behind with LTE. I know in the U.K. only one carrier has any LTE for example. If this is true I doubt a S4 with no LTE at all will sell very well in countries that have or will have LTE shortly. Stupid move by Samsung to offer a non-LTE phone in 2013.
"Designed to take on apples I phone 5" ..... It must take a 7 yr old child to write these. The Iphone 5 AND Galaxy S3 came out last yr meaning the S3 was in competition with the I phone 5. No one makes a phone to compare with last years model because it would be a landslide. The GS4 blows the Iphone 5 out the water and is in competition with the coming Iphone 5s. Get it now?
No one at that trainwreck of an announcement (their WiFi went down! and the C list actors were rather sad in their somewhat sexist playlets) thought the S4 (aka the S3s) was much of anything, which is why the Sammy stock dropped right after. The S4 doesn't even "blow" the S3 away, let alone the iPhone 5, which doubled the S3's sales numbers or perhaps even the iPhone 4s which sold millions more than the S3 worldwide.
After desperately switching to "Easy" mode it's reportedly a nice enough follow up to their 3. But then with the 3's sales already declining..... and what's with topping out at 32GB? How does one cram an entire "Life" into such a limited space?
Samsung is very smart to not give up their day job, making washing machines.
I did a bit more research and it seems that the octa-core will not include any LTE at all, only 3G. Korea and Japan both have wide LTE deployment while most of Europe are still pretty far behind with LTE. I know in the U.K. only one carrier has any LTE for example. If this is true I doubt a S4 with no LTE at all will sell very well in countries that have or will have LTE shortly. Stupid move by Samsung to offer a non-LTE phone in 2013.
The whole thing is all rather strange. I think it isn't about LTE, but has to do with production problems with the 5 octa.
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Galaxy S4 World Tour made a stop today in Samsung’s home market to announce the device and consumers on SKT, KT and LG U+ will be able to purchase the device from tomorrow, making it one of the first markets to get the Galaxy S flagship.
Interestingly, the Galaxy S4 (SHV-E300S/K/L) for the Korean market varies slightly than the international versions. For starters, the phone is equipped with the Exynos 5 Octa processor and supports LTE. Internationally, the Exynos 5 Octa variant is generally reserved as a 3G variant whereas the Snapdragon 600 variant for the LTE. There’s also a terrestrial DMB.
AT&T just reported that 80% of their smartphone activations were iPhones. So that portends a huge demand for the S4 that cannot be met? I don't get it.
It was 80% because Samsung shot themselves in the foot with the early announcement... Next quarter the S4 is sure to be 80% and the iPhone 20%¡
Maybe next month they will announce the Osborne... er, ah Samsung S5... or even the S5S
AT&T just reported that 80% of their smartphone activations were iPhones. So that portends a huge demand for the S4 that cannot be met? I don't get it.
To be more accurate, iPhones were 67% of AT&T's last quarter sales. (Activations includes used phones.)
As one would expect, AT&T's customers lean heavily iPhone. That's why they have iPhone shortages, not Android shortages.
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Originally Posted by pedromartins
The ignorants that bought the S3 don't use the net that much, so they are still ignorants and bought the s4.
The internet difference only applies when iPads are included. As Chitika and others point out in their reports (which don't mean a lot anyway), smartphones have very similar statistics . E.g.
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Originally Posted by gwmac
I did a bit more research and it seems that the octa-core will not include any LTE at all, only 3G. Korea and Japan both have wide LTE deployment while most of Europe are still pretty far behind with LTE. I know in the U.K. only one carrier has any LTE for example. If this is true I doubt a S4 with no LTE at all will sell very well in countries that have or will have LTE shortly. Stupid move by Samsung to offer a non-LTE phone in 2013.
The Korean model gets both the Samsung octa-core and LTE.
I suspect that there are several reasons why the US LTE version uses the Snapdragon instead of Samsung's CPU:
Qualcomm's Snapdragon chipset comes with everything needed in one package.
Qualcomm probably cannot supply the entire world demand, nor can Samsung. Thus the need for two CPU suppliers.
There could be a royalty issue involved for the US that makes using the Snapdragon cheaper.
SHV-E300S – Exynos 5 Octa 1.8 GHz with LTE (only sold in south korea, not unlocked)
If I were looking to buy an S4 I would want the Korean version that includes LTE and has the octa core Exynos 5 but since that is a locked version no dice. The i9500 blows it out of the water in terms of performance and battery life. I think this is a really dumb mistake by Samsung and will piss off a lot of their diehard fans. Yes, they did this with the S3 as well, but there was not this big a gap in performance either. The Snapdragon is also supposed to be a very hot and power hungry CPU compared to the Exynos thanks to ARM's big.LITTLE technology.
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It was 80% because Samsung shot themselves in the foot with the early announcement... Next quarter the S4 is sure to be 80% and the iPhone 20%¡
That's why the supply for AT&T is unaffected.
Ahhh gotcha. Thanks for the clarification.
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Originally Posted by dasanman69
That's why the supply for AT&T is unaffected.
T-Mobile sells more Androids than AT&T?
So which one is the Galaxy S4? I can't keep up with all the vaporware...
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Originally Posted by macxpress
So they've purposely created shortages to make it appear as if the phone is selling really well.
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Originally Posted by dasanman69
That might make sense if it they were selling it already.
Exactly.
Hey we're just sending the Fandroids comments back at them. Sammy better hope there were no lines.
If Sammy actual released numbers, I wonder if Wall Street will be disappointed in them selling "only" 2MM.
So the Galaxy S4 is not revolutionary ... big deal. Has there been a Galaxy S or Galaxy Tab that can be considered revolutionary?
Save for the first iPhone, what recent phone can truly be classified as revolutionary? 3G, LTE, Siri, etc. are all very nice incremental innovations. But revolution? Only the following would qualify: Motorola DynaTac, the Blackberry Quark (that was the first BB with an integrated phone?), the phone that Philippe Kahn used to take and share photograph his daughter and the iPhone.
Pundits, journalists, analysts, etc. throw around words like revolution, innovation and disruption like they toss pennies in the Starbucks tip jar - as if they don't mean something. This is why they expect a "revolutionary product" from Apple every year - the word "revolution" has been so cheapened that every company is considered a failure if they produce a single product that is merely an upgrade.
I don't understand their strategy of making two models with different CPU's. They did the same thing with the S3. One version of the S4 will include an octa core CPU of around 1.5 or 1.6GHz if memory serves. Then the one that will be sold in the U.S. and possibly Europe will be a quad core 1.9GHz version. From some initial pre-release benchmarks and other tests the octa core seemed to be a faster phone. I wonder why they make two versions and also wonder why or how they choose which countries will get which version. I would think they would want to sell their fastest version here in the U.S. since they aren't doing nearly as well here as in other countries.
here is a link talking about the differences between the 2 versions.
http://www.techradar.com/us/news/phone-and-communications/mobile-phones/samsung-galaxy-s4-adds-insult-to-injury-as-eight-core-smashes-quad-core-in-tests-1143900
If I'm not mistaken the CPU used for the international version doesn't play nicely with LTE chipsets used in the US.
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Originally Posted by Thedougie
"Designed to take on apples I phone 5" ..... It must take a 7 yr old child to write these. The Iphone 5 AND Galaxy S3 came out last yr meaning the S3 was in competition with the I phone 5. No one makes a phone to compare with last years model because it would be a landslide. The GS4 blows the Iphone 5 out the water and is in competition with the coming Iphone 5s. Get it now?
First post and I see that you are already trying real hard to get along and make friends.
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Originally Posted by dasanman69
If I'm not mistaken the CPU used for the international version doesn't play nicely with LTE chipsets used in the US.
I did a bit more research and it seems that the octa-core will not include any LTE at all, only 3G. Korea and Japan both have wide LTE deployment while most of Europe are still pretty far behind with LTE. I know in the U.K. only one carrier has any LTE for example. If this is true I doubt a S4 with no LTE at all will sell very well in countries that have or will have LTE shortly. Stupid move by Samsung to offer a non-LTE phone in 2013.
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Originally Posted by Thedougie
"Designed to take on apples I phone 5" ..... It must take a 7 yr old child to write these. The Iphone 5 AND Galaxy S3 came out last yr meaning the S3 was in competition with the I phone 5. No one makes a phone to compare with last years model because it would be a landslide. The GS4 blows the Iphone 5 out the water and is in competition with the coming Iphone 5s. Get it now?
No one at that trainwreck of an announcement (their WiFi went down! and the C list actors were rather sad in their somewhat sexist playlets) thought the S4 (aka the S3s) was much of anything, which is why the Sammy stock dropped right after. The S4 doesn't even "blow" the S3 away, let alone the iPhone 5, which doubled the S3's sales numbers or perhaps even the iPhone 4s which sold millions more than the S3 worldwide.
After desperately switching to "Easy" mode it's reportedly a nice enough follow up to their 3. But then with the 3's sales already declining..... and what's with topping out at 32GB? How does one cram an entire "Life" into such a limited space?
Samsung is very smart to not give up their day job, making washing machines.
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Originally Posted by gwmac
I did a bit more research and it seems that the octa-core will not include any LTE at all, only 3G. Korea and Japan both have wide LTE deployment while most of Europe are still pretty far behind with LTE. I know in the U.K. only one carrier has any LTE for example. If this is true I doubt a S4 with no LTE at all will sell very well in countries that have or will have LTE shortly. Stupid move by Samsung to offer a non-LTE phone in 2013.
The whole thing is all rather strange. I think it isn't about LTE, but has to do with production problems with the 5 octa.
Quote:
Galaxy S4 World Tour made a stop today in Samsung’s home market to announce the device and consumers on SKT, KT and LG U+ will be able to purchase the device from tomorrow, making it one of the first markets to get the Galaxy S flagship.
Interestingly, the Galaxy S4 (SHV-E300S/K/L) for the Korean market varies slightly than the international versions. For starters, the phone is equipped with the Exynos 5 Octa processor and supports LTE. Internationally, the Exynos 5 Octa variant is generally reserved as a 3G variant whereas the Snapdragon 600 variant for the LTE. There’s also a terrestrial DMB.
Maybe next month they will announce the Osborne... er, ah Samsung S5... or even the S5S
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Originally Posted by lkrupp
AT&T just reported that 80% of their smartphone activations were iPhones. So that portends a huge demand for the S4 that cannot be met? I don't get it.
To be more accurate, iPhones were 67% of AT&T's last quarter sales. (Activations includes used phones.)
As one would expect, AT&T's customers lean heavily iPhone. That's why they have iPhone shortages, not Android shortages.
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Originally Posted by pedromartins
The ignorants that bought the S3 don't use the net that much, so they are still ignorants and bought the s4.
The internet difference only applies when iPads are included. As Chitika and others point out in their reports (which don't mean a lot anyway), smartphones have very similar statistics . E.g.
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Originally Posted by gwmac
I did a bit more research and it seems that the octa-core will not include any LTE at all, only 3G. Korea and Japan both have wide LTE deployment while most of Europe are still pretty far behind with LTE. I know in the U.K. only one carrier has any LTE for example. If this is true I doubt a S4 with no LTE at all will sell very well in countries that have or will have LTE shortly. Stupid move by Samsung to offer a non-LTE phone in 2013.
The Korean model gets both the Samsung octa-core and LTE.
I suspect that there are several reasons why the US LTE version uses the Snapdragon instead of Samsung's CPU:
Qualcomm's Snapdragon chipset comes with everything needed in one package.
Qualcomm probably cannot supply the entire world demand, nor can Samsung. Thus the need for two CPU suppliers.
There could be a royalty issue involved for the US that makes using the Snapdragon cheaper.
It was the same exact way for the SGS 3.
GT-I9500 – Exynos 5 Octa 1.6 GHz without LTE
GT-I9505 – Snapdragon 600 1.9 GHz with LTE
SHV-E300S – Exynos 5 Octa 1.8 GHz with LTE (only sold in south korea, not unlocked)
If I were looking to buy an S4 I would want the Korean version that includes LTE and has the octa core Exynos 5 but since that is a locked version no dice. The i9500 blows it out of the water in terms of performance and battery life. I think this is a really dumb mistake by Samsung and will piss off a lot of their diehard fans. Yes, they did this with the S3 as well, but there was not this big a gap in performance either. The Snapdragon is also supposed to be a very hot and power hungry CPU compared to the Exynos thanks to ARM's big.LITTLE technology.
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Originally Posted by TeaEarleGreyHot
It's been HOURS since the beleaguered Samsung announced a new product, it's time for the CEO to be fired!
So which one is the Galaxy S4? I can't keep up with all the vaporware...
It's like an iPhone 4S but backwards.