But it'll probably run the same OS, so this won't work either. Ya know, I remember Bill Gates having this vision of having Windows Everywhere, which seemed like a good idea. But as long as they keep on putting Windows on every device and not tailoring it for its intended purpose, they'll miss and create another failed product. As long as they don't change that mindset, I don't see any good hardware coming from Microsoft. Ever.
It took Microsoft to prove that it is possible to make a failed product while controlling both the hardware and the software from the ground up...!!!
Well, certainly failed when looking at their launch with its failed PSU's. Successful as a product.... but they didn't try to pry Windows into it, unlike their WindowsCE... for phones ¡
Windows CE was very successful for several years, as a product, though it was fairly ghastly.
What a fitting word, ghastly. Reminds me of their Xbox advertisement:
In 2002 the Independent Television Commission (ITC) banned a television advertisement for the Xbox in the United Kingdom after complaints that it was highly distasteful, violent, scary and upsetting. It depicted a mother giving birth to a small boy who was fired like a projectile through a hospital window and who aged rapidly as he flew through the air yelling. As he soared across a large area, he passed quickly through stages of his life as though time was passing him by. After aging into an old man, he crash-landed into his own grave. Dust and smoke poured from the grave. The advertisement ended with the slogan Life is short. Play more.
That's crazy talk...anyways, on a different note & not a grand & unfounded statement, At work they got a surface RT for testing, they had the crazy idea that senators would like them, they quickly found out that they are useless, so now i have a surface RT at my desk, just for surfing the net during the day
Do you click it and clack it and throw it around? Does it make you do goofy break dancing?? Enquiring minds want to know.
You forget the personal biography released as a follow up ... , "How I ripped off others' technology, retired early and cleared my conscience with self aggrandizing philanthropy using my ill gotten gains"
People will always try to tear down other's good works. :rolleyes:
And the informed tell it objectively, unprejudiced and without generalising.
I honestly don't think those numbers are that bad. Let's remember that MS is selling against the iPad and with prices that are in the MBA range for the Intel-based model. Now consider that MS isn't just getting a Windows license but is the HW vendor I think this is a much better take than I originally expected they would get. Excluding the iPad, what other tablet priced as high sells more than 1.5 million units? I don't think there are any.
When you consider that every IT department in the world should have been looking forward to Microsoft's Surfaces to spare them from having to integrate iOS and Android into their facility (if they had been able to hold them at bay up until this point), these numbers may largely represent their pilot program orders. Microsoft was counting on this happening, and according to the article, it was underwhelming to MS as well.
Apple sells more iPads in a weekend than MSFT did in a quarter. That's how bad it was...
Mostly seriously, here is a very well reasoned post by a LorenK from macrumors on the subject:
Focusing solely on the dollar investment ignores the reality of capital markets, which operate on rumor and hearsay. What Microsoft did by making the small investment and, more importantly, the commitment to Office for Mac was to give legitimacy to the continued existence of the Mac as a computing platform. Just as people look to the Mac Pro updates as Apple's commitment to the professional user community, Microsoft gave its "blessing" to the Mac, which legitimized Apple as a continuing going concern. (It also didn't hurt that by supporting Mac and Apple, Microsoft had a defense to any antitrust claims arising from its dominance of the operating system market. That Apple's resurgence has bit Microsoft in the butt big time is probably bittersweet to those who made the decision for what were at the time sound business tactical reasons).
As I recall things like that happened well after the fact and the horse had already left the stable. No putting the genie back in the bottle the damage was done. KInd of the oldf 'forgiveness is easier to get than permission' theory my lawyers always expound!
Some of us remember Apple's "look and feel" lawsuit against Microsoft. This was actually very beneficial, since a reaction to it was the free software movement.
You know, once I was even told, "It's okay, even if he stole the money from Apple. Steve Jobs would never have given all that back to the poor like Gates is."
You're right, Jobs gave away his money VERY privately.
Wasn't the entire point of the Surface to have the full windows desktop AND a tablet interface in 1 device, so you wouldn't need a laptop AND a tablet, and could just switch seamlessly netween the 2 based on your usage? Well, not that this vision actually panned out, but wouldn't making a smaller surface negate the entire purpose of the existence of the thing? Using the windows desktop on a 10" screen is painful enough, and a useability nightmare, and they plan to make smaller versions? Also, Windows RT is an epic failure, and it doesn't seem like that horse has any legs. Microsoft is in a shitty spot.
Wasn't the entire point of the Surface to have the full windows desktop AND a tablet interface in 1 device, so you wouldn't need a laptop AND a tablet, and could just switch seamlessly netween the 2 based on your usage? Well, not that this vision actually panned out, but wouldn't making a smaller surface negate the entire purpose of the existence of the thing? Using the windows desktop on a 10" screen is painful enough, and a useability nightmare, and they plan to make smaller versions? Also, Windows RT is an epic failure, and it doesn't seem like that horse has any legs. Microsoft is in a shitty spot.
I happen to really like 10" tablets and Windows 8 is very usable at that size. Not sure what 7" will be like but I'm sure the UMPC crowd will be happy.
Im loving the reports on Windows 8 and tablets by everyone. 1 week its that Windows 8 isnt selling that well, but then there's a report that they achieved 7% of tablet sales in q1 which is amazing. At the same time people are saying RT was a bad idea, but now this article says twice as many RT surfaces sold than non RT.
I think the fact Microsoft never said what they expected to sell and what they have has just left every reporter clueless as to what is and isn't good and what has actually happened. The only thing that is fir sure is they still make massive profits.
A helicopter was flying above the state of Washington when an electrical malfunction disabled all of the aircraft’s electronic navigation and communication equipment. Due to the clouds and hazy condition, the pilot could not determine his position or course to steer to the airport. The pilot saw a tall building, flew toward it, circled, drew a handwritten sign and held it the helicopter’s window. In large letters, the sign read, “Where am I?” People in the tall building quickly responded by drawing a large sign and held it in a window. Their sign read, “You are in a helicopter.” The pilot smiled, waved, looked at his map and determined the course to steer toward the airport, where he landed safely. After they were on the ground, the co-pilot asked the pilot how the “You are in a helicopter” sign helped him determine his position. The pilot responded, “Well, I knew that had to be the Microsoft building because they gave me a technically correct but completely useless reply.”
<span style="font-family:georgia, serif;font-size:14px;line-height:25px;word-spacing:2px;">A helicopter was flying above the state of Washington when an electrical malfunction disabled all of the aircraft’s electronic navigation and communication equipment. Due to the clouds and hazy condition, the pilot could not determine his position or course to steer to the airport. The pilot saw a tall building, flew toward it, circled, drew a handwritten sign and held it the helicopter’s window. In large letters, the sign read, “Where am I?” People in the tall building quickly responded by drawing a large sign and held it in a window. Their sign read, “You are in a helicopter.” The pilot smiled, waved, looked at his map and determined the course to steer toward the airport, where he landed safely. After they were on the ground, the co-pilot asked the pilot how the “You are in a helicopter” sign helped him determine his position. The pilot responded, “Well, I knew that had to be the Microsoft building because they gave me a technically correct but completely useless reply.”</span>
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Originally Posted by PhilBoogie
But it'll probably run the same OS, so this won't work either. Ya know, I remember Bill Gates having this vision of having Windows Everywhere, which seemed like a good idea. But as long as they keep on putting Windows on every device and not tailoring it for its intended purpose, they'll miss and create another failed product. As long as they don't change that mindset, I don't see any good hardware coming from Microsoft. Ever.
It took Microsoft to prove that it is possible to make a failed product while controlling both the hardware and the software from the ground up...!!!
Thank you, Uncle Fester...!
What a fitting word, ghastly. Reminds me of their Xbox advertisement:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/2028725.stm
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Originally Posted by Zozman
That's crazy talk...anyways, on a different note & not a grand & unfounded statement, At work they got a surface RT for testing, they had the crazy idea that senators would like them, they quickly found out that they are useless, so now i have a surface RT at my desk, just for surfing the net during the day
Do you click it and clack it and throw it around? Does it make you do goofy break dancing?? Enquiring minds want to know.
And the informed tell it objectively, unprejudiced and without generalising.
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Originally Posted by SolipsismX
I honestly don't think those numbers are that bad. Let's remember that MS is selling against the iPad and with prices that are in the MBA range for the Intel-based model. Now consider that MS isn't just getting a Windows license but is the HW vendor I think this is a much better take than I originally expected they would get. Excluding the iPad, what other tablet priced as high sells more than 1.5 million units? I don't think there are any.
When you consider that every IT department in the world should have been looking forward to Microsoft's Surfaces to spare them from having to integrate iOS and Android into their facility (if they had been able to hold them at bay up until this point), these numbers may largely represent their pilot program orders. Microsoft was counting on this happening, and according to the article, it was underwhelming to MS as well.
Apple sells more iPads in a weekend than MSFT did in a quarter. That's how bad it was...
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil
/s
You're too smart to be saying this seriously.
Mostly seriously, here is a very well reasoned post by a LorenK from macrumors on the subject:
Focusing solely on the dollar investment ignores the reality of capital markets, which operate on rumor and hearsay. What Microsoft did by making the small investment and, more importantly, the commitment to Office for Mac was to give legitimacy to the continued existence of the Mac as a computing platform. Just as people look to the Mac Pro updates as Apple's commitment to the professional user community, Microsoft gave its "blessing" to the Mac, which legitimized Apple as a continuing going concern. (It also didn't hurt that by supporting Mac and Apple, Microsoft had a defense to any antitrust claims arising from its dominance of the operating system market. That Apple's resurgence has bit Microsoft in the butt big time is probably bittersweet to those who made the decision for what were at the time sound business tactical reasons).
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Originally Posted by AppleInsider
but the company is reportedly taking a "cautious" approach after the initial models got off to a lukewarm start.
I never knew that "Lukewarm start" = fell flat on its arse.
I guess it'll go well with the lukewarm start of windows 8, Zune, Windows phone etc.
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Originally Posted by digitalclips
As I recall things like that happened well after the fact and the horse had already left the stable. No putting the genie back in the bottle the damage was done. KInd of the oldf 'forgiveness is easier to get than permission' theory my lawyers always expound!
Some of us remember Apple's "look and feel" lawsuit against Microsoft. This was actually very beneficial, since a reaction to it was the free software movement.
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil
You know, once I was even told, "It's okay, even if he stole the money from Apple. Steve Jobs would never have given all that back to the poor like Gates is."
You're right, Jobs gave away his money VERY privately.
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Originally Posted by Macky the Macky
You're right, Jobs gave away his money VERY privately.
Yes, to Mrs Jobs.
That was just the fist generation, my kids went threw two of them because of faulty hardware. The ones on the shelf now are pretty bullet proof.
I happen to really like 10" tablets and Windows 8 is very usable at that size. Not sure what 7" will be like but I'm sure the UMPC crowd will be happy.
I think the fact Microsoft never said what they expected to sell and what they have has just left every reporter clueless as to what is and isn't good and what has actually happened. The only thing that is fir sure is they still make massive profits.
A helicopter was flying above the state of Washington when an electrical malfunction disabled all of the aircraft’s electronic navigation and communication equipment. Due to the clouds and hazy condition, the pilot could not determine his position or course to steer to the airport. The pilot saw a tall building, flew toward it, circled, drew a handwritten sign and held it the helicopter’s window. In large letters, the sign read, “Where am I?” People in the tall building quickly responded by drawing a large sign and held it in a window. Their sign read, “You are in a helicopter.” The pilot smiled, waved, looked at his map and determined the course to steer toward the airport, where he landed safely. After they were on the ground, the co-pilot asked the pilot how the “You are in a helicopter” sign helped him determine his position. The pilot responded, “Well, I knew that had to be the Microsoft building because they gave me a technically correct but completely useless reply.”
That is sooo 1994
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Originally Posted by PhilBoogie
That is sooo 1994
88 mph and 1.21 gigawatts... what I feel like looking at a Mac. j/k