Impressive number when you consider that folks could buy a unlocked AT&T phone for ages and use t-mobile. I would have expected sales to be rather low but this is better than I figured
It's not important. Important is f.e. comparison to over 6 millions from Verizon in the Q1, which is AFAIK larger and has better network than T-Mobile and sells already to previous iPhone users. I
I have to disagree with you on that point. You claim that it only matters who well they are selling compared to the rest of the carriers but I argue that yes it is important how well the iPhone is selling against other models within a carrier. Remember that every carrier has to commit to buying a certain and not small number of models that can't be returned if they don't sell. So if T-Mobile has to commit to say, 5 million iPhones and folks aren't buying the phones then they have a huge loss to deal with. Especially if that's a yearly number that they have to commit to for 2-3 years. Cause if they can't sell those phones when they are the new and hip model its going to be a lot harder when they are replaced by something newer.
That, despite any unlocked GSM phone working on one level or another on their system, they sold 500k in about 3 weeks is a good sign that they can make enough sales to cover their required buy it (which was likely more like 2 million for this fiscal year since it's half over and 5 million for the next year when the 5s/6 comes out)
Impressive number when you consider that folks could buy a unlocked AT&T phone for ages and use t-mobile. I would have expected sales to be rather low but this is better than I figured
Most people on T-Mobile are there because it's less expensive so most iPhone users had a previous model of iPhone so even though they're getting a 6 month old phone they're actually getting it 6 months ahead of time on their schedule.
Net result is users pay about the same for an iPhone as on other networks.
How do you figure that? An unlimited voice, unlimited text, and 3.5GB of data costs $139 on AT&T (yes you can get cheaper plans if you give up unlimited voice or data). Unlimited voice, text, and data (with 500 MB of 4G data) costs $50 a month on T-Mobile. $70 if you want to take out a zero interest loan for an iPhone 5. Further, the iPhone 5 requires a $100 less down payment than everybody else.
I actually switched my GSM unlocked iPhone 5 for the updated model that works with more of the 4G signals offered by T-Mobile. The difference is astonishing from a performance standpoint. At $589 for the full cost, and the resell value of a factory unlocked iPhone it was a minimal cost. And more than covered with the monthly service cost difference from AT&T. And no contract.
How do you figure that? An unlimited voice, unlimited text, and 3.5GB of data costs $139 on AT&T (yes you can get cheaper plans if you give up unlimited voice or data). Unlimited voice, text, and data (with 500 MB of 4G data) costs $50 a month on T-Mobile. $70 if you want to take out a zero interest loan for an iPhone 5. Further, the iPhone 5 requires a $100 less down payment than everybody else.
Unlimited everything is $70, plus $20 for the phone. 500 MB of 4G is a joke for power users.
Unlimited everything is $70, plus $20 for the phone. 500 MB of 4G is a joke for power users.
Power users? So kids watching hours of youtube videos and going through several gigs a month would also qualify as power users. okay...lol
I definitely qualify as a power user then since I use about 10GB or more now that LTE is here and I have unlimited data. Much better than the old name we were called which was data hogs so I won't argue the point.
Power users? So kids watching hours of youtube videos and going through several gigs a month would also qualify as power users. okay...lol
I definitely qualify as a power user then since I use about 10GB or more now that LTE is here and I have unlimited data. Much better than the old name we were called which was data hogs so I won't argue the point.
By all statistics I have ever read, iOS generates substantially more WEB traffic than Android, taking in calculation also general perception that there are a lot more active Android handsets than iPhones, then I really don't know, how could Android users ever paying for iPhone users.
Regarding "soul" manufacturing: you can't really blame old Beatles fan from Europe, can you?
Not trying to make fun of your spelling, just the irony of Samsung making souls tickled a nerve. They'd be at the bottom of the list of people I'd want in the 'soul manufacturing' business.
The networks lose money by selling iPhones and more than make that money up by charging more for their data plans. They lose more money from the iPhone than any other phone, but they charge all users the same high rates to make up their subsidy costs. So EVERYONE on a data plan is paying off their subsidy costs regardless of the type of phone they use.
It would be interesting to see the average data usage broken out by OS. Not web usage- data usage. There's enough data from different sources to where I believe at least that tracking mechanisms are showing more iOS mobile usage. I know I have my Android devices set to use desktop sites instead of requesting mobile version. No idea if that spoofs the tracking or not although the jury seems split- many Android fans think it will, most Apple fans insist it won't. I really don't care either way, but the more meaningful data would be the actual bill the carriers give users on the same plan.
If AT&T has 10,000,000 Apple/iOS users on one plan and 10,000,000 Android users on the same plan- what do they pay on average. Most of the tasks I would do 'daily' on my iPhone (check my stocks, check weather, check tech sites) I'd imagine would generate quite a bit of web usage. On my Android phone that usage is near zero. I have a widget that runs a ticker with my stocks on it, a weather widget, and I use 'Appy Geek' to consolidate my tech news. Not sure if data usage would really be fair. With widgets its requesting the data I want more frequently since it doesn't require me to do anything, but with the old 'check the web' method I'd imagine the data usage might be higher too since it doesn't just download the info I want- but all the advertising and graphics from the site as well.
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Originally Posted by poksi
It's not important. Important is f.e. comparison to over 6 millions from Verizon in the Q1, which is AFAIK larger and has better network than T-Mobile and sells already to previous iPhone users. I
I have to disagree with you on that point. You claim that it only matters who well they are selling compared to the rest of the carriers but I argue that yes it is important how well the iPhone is selling against other models within a carrier. Remember that every carrier has to commit to buying a certain and not small number of models that can't be returned if they don't sell. So if T-Mobile has to commit to say, 5 million iPhones and folks aren't buying the phones then they have a huge loss to deal with. Especially if that's a yearly number that they have to commit to for 2-3 years. Cause if they can't sell those phones when they are the new and hip model its going to be a lot harder when they are replaced by something newer.
That, despite any unlocked GSM phone working on one level or another on their system, they sold 500k in about 3 weeks is a good sign that they can make enough sales to cover their required buy it (which was likely more like 2 million for this fiscal year since it's half over and 5 million for the next year when the 5s/6 comes out)
Most people on T-Mobile are there because it's less expensive so most iPhone users had a previous model of iPhone so even though they're getting a 6 month old phone they're actually getting it 6 months ahead of time on their schedule.
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Originally Posted by Frood
Net result is users pay about the same for an iPhone as on other networks.
How do you figure that? An unlimited voice, unlimited text, and 3.5GB of data costs $139 on AT&T (yes you can get cheaper plans if you give up unlimited voice or data). Unlimited voice, text, and data (with 500 MB of 4G data) costs $50 a month on T-Mobile. $70 if you want to take out a zero interest loan for an iPhone 5. Further, the iPhone 5 requires a $100 less down payment than everybody else.
I actually switched my GSM unlocked iPhone 5 for the updated model that works with more of the 4G signals offered by T-Mobile. The difference is astonishing from a performance standpoint. At $589 for the full cost, and the resell value of a factory unlocked iPhone it was a minimal cost. And more than covered with the monthly service cost difference from AT&T. And no contract.
Unlimited everything is $70, plus $20 for the phone. 500 MB of 4G is a joke for power users.
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Originally Posted by dasanman69
Unlimited everything is $70, plus $20 for the phone. 500 MB of 4G is a joke for power users.
Power users? So kids watching hours of youtube videos and going through several gigs a month would also qualify as power users. okay...lol
I definitely qualify as a power user then since I use about 10GB or more now that LTE is here and I have unlimited data. Much better than the old name we were called which was data hogs so I won't argue the point.
Yeah data hogs too.
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Originally Posted by poksi
By all statistics I have ever read, iOS generates substantially more WEB traffic than Android, taking in calculation also general perception that there are a lot more active Android handsets than iPhones, then I really don't know, how could Android users ever paying for iPhone users.
Regarding "soul" manufacturing: you can't really blame old Beatles fan from Europe, can you?
Not trying to make fun of your spelling, just the irony of Samsung making souls tickled a nerve. They'd be at the bottom of the list of people I'd want in the 'soul manufacturing' business.
The networks lose money by selling iPhones and more than make that money up by charging more for their data plans. They lose more money from the iPhone than any other phone, but they charge all users the same high rates to make up their subsidy costs. So EVERYONE on a data plan is paying off their subsidy costs regardless of the type of phone they use.
It would be interesting to see the average data usage broken out by OS. Not web usage- data usage. There's enough data from different sources to where I believe at least that tracking mechanisms are showing more iOS mobile usage. I know I have my Android devices set to use desktop sites instead of requesting mobile version. No idea if that spoofs the tracking or not although the jury seems split- many Android fans think it will, most Apple fans insist it won't. I really don't care either way, but the more meaningful data would be the actual bill the carriers give users on the same plan.
If AT&T has 10,000,000 Apple/iOS users on one plan and 10,000,000 Android users on the same plan- what do they pay on average. Most of the tasks I would do 'daily' on my iPhone (check my stocks, check weather, check tech sites) I'd imagine would generate quite a bit of web usage. On my Android phone that usage is near zero. I have a widget that runs a ticker with my stocks on it, a weather widget, and I use 'Appy Geek' to consolidate my tech news. Not sure if data usage would really be fair. With widgets its requesting the data I want more frequently since it doesn't require me to do anything, but with the old 'check the web' method I'd imagine the data usage might be higher too since it doesn't just download the info I want- but all the advertising and graphics from the site as well.
Yeah, my bad. Reading helps. :-)