You claim to have a lot of problems with both Apple software and hardware (see the AppleCare thread).
I am calling total b-s.
It's certainly possible. If you were plot on a chart the issues people have there will be some people that either through the way they use their devices or by sheer bad luck (i.e.: law of large numbers) have a lot more issues than the average person. I think it's as much of a problem for them to say their problem is common or typical as it for the majority with nary an issue to say that these people don't have issues. The odds are against it, but that only makes it less probable, not impossible.
It's certainly possible. If you were plot on a chart the issues people have there will be some people that either through the way they use their devices or by sheer bad luck (i.e.: law of large numbers) have a lot more issues than the average person. I think it's as much of a problem for them to say their problem is common or typical as it for the majority with nary an issue to say that these people don't have issues. The odds are against it, but that only makes it less probably, not impossible.
There are just some people that have bad luck when it comes to devices. My friend always has a problem regardless of manufacturer.
I just ran out of my free 5GB of iCloud storage, so this is perfect! Will keep my camera roll on this app, and the remaining backups on iCloud. Downloading now.. Too bad they only have an iPhone app and no ipad
You can get 5GB from Skydrive, 2GB from DropBox and lots of other places also for free.
Alternatives to iCloud have been available for years.
Too bad you have install Amazon's software and have an account.
It's certainly possible. If you were plot on a chart the issues people have there will be some people that either through the way they use their devices or by sheer bad luck (i.e.: law of large numbers) have a lot more issues than the average person. I think it's as much of a problem for them to say their problem is common or typical as it for the majority with nary an issue to say that these people don't have issues. The odds are against it, but that only makes it less probable, not impossible.
Apple's been selling proprietary solutions for nearly 40 years, but eventually--EVENTUALLY--someday, any day now, it's going to bite them in the ass. Apple must license Mac OS / iTunes / iOS / iCloud / (next big thing) to everyone else. Or face eventual doom.
They already did under sculley/amellio, and damn near ruined apple by allowing clone companies to run mac os. No thanks. iCloud is a feature on iOS not amazon and not droids.
They can build there own. The first thing Jobs did during his comeback was to kill clones. It was an extremely good thing too.
... iCloud is a feature on iOS not amazon and not droids. They can build there own. The first thing Jobs did during his comeback was to kill clones...
Its always surprising to me when Apple enters a market how quickly Apple fans assume Apple invented it and everyone else is a 'clone' copying them and stealing their ip.
You do realize Amazon is the largest cloud provider in the world and was doing that years before Apple 'invented' iCloud?
When Apple did invent iCloud it was pretty easy for them.... they simply rented cloud space on (you guessed it) Amazons AWS servers. Some of it is on Microsofts Azure cloud as well. Apple started building data centers and trying to port their cloud off of Amazon, but they are having a pretty shaky start with it with quite a few more outages than the industry standard.
Its always surprising to me when Apple enters a market how quickly Apple fans assume Apple invented it and everyone else is a 'clone' copying them and stealing their ip.
You do realize Amazon is the largest cloud provider in the world and was doing that years before Apple 'invented' iCloud?
When Apple did invent iCloud it was pretty easy for them.... they simply rented cloud space on (you guessed it) Amazons AWS servers. Some of it is on Microsofts Azure cloud as well. Apple started building data centers and trying to port their cloud off of Amazon, but they are having a pretty shaky start with it with quite a few more outages than the industry standard.
1) His comment is clearly about licensing.
2) His comment about clones isn't about copying or copycats, it's about the licensed clones that Apple allowed vendors to make, which Jobs killed when he came back.
3) Apple has been dealing with cloud-based services long before Amazon offered any such services as iCloud is only their latest marketed foray into cloud services.
4) Do you have any proof that Apple simply rents space from Amazon and MS in lieu of using their own data centers?
That's the nature of competition.
If Apple were to lose any iCloud - Photo Stream users to this, it will be on their own heads.
They must ensure that their product is continually such a superior product, that nobody would consider switching.
It's all up to them.
I don't think that would be a huge deal for Apple. If they find an alternative to Photostream they are still tied to iCloud by 2 dozen other services which tie users to iDevices and Macs.
Its always surprising to me when Apple enters a market how quickly Apple fans assume Apple invented it and everyone else is a 'clone' copying them and stealing their ip.
You do realize Amazon is the largest cloud provider in the world and was doing that years before Apple 'invented' iCloud?
When Apple did invent iCloud it was pretty easy for them.... they simply rented cloud space on (you guessed it) Amazons AWS servers. Some of it is on Microsofts Azure cloud as well. Apple started building data centers and trying to port their cloud off of Amazon, but they are having a pretty shaky start with it with quite a few more outages than the industry standard.
iTools circa 2000, look it up.
I hate it when people assume they know what other people assume then go on to state it emphatically as if by doing so makes it some sort of fact.
That's the nature of competition.
If Apple were to lose any iCloud - Photo Stream users to this, it will be on their own heads.
They must ensure that their product is continually such a superior product, that nobody would consider switching.
It's all up to them.
Why "switch" anything?
This is just another adjunct to iCloud among many.
There is nothing wrong with having multiple back ups, the more the merrier.
Its always surprising to me when Apple enters a market how quickly Apple fans assume Apple invented it and everyone else is a 'clone' copying them and stealing their ip.
You do realize Amazon is the largest cloud provider in the world and was doing that years before Apple 'invented' iCloud?
When Apple did invent iCloud it was pretty easy for them.... they simply rented cloud space on (you guessed it) Amazons AWS servers. Some of it is on Microsofts Azure cloud as well. Apple started building data centers and trying to port their cloud off of Amazon, but they are having a pretty shaky start with it with quite a few more outages than the industry standard.
Enough with the straw men.
Apple fans (which you are obviously not) know that Apple had the cloud services found in iCloud going all the way back to iTools, which was over a decade ago. iDisk, iWeb, iCards, email came from iTools and various new services were added or retired along the way, and the name and prices have changed several times, but iCloud is not Apple's first cloud. iTools became .Mac became MobileMe became iCloud. Apple switched to AWS and Azure only when these services became mature enough. But Apple had already been offering cloud services to Mac users for years before AWS or Azure came on the scene. (And those "clouds" aren't B2C cloud services anyway)
Apple fans (which you are obviously not) know that Apple had the cloud services found in iCloud going all the way back to iTools, which was over a decade ago. iDisk, iWeb, iCards, email came from iTools and various new services were added or retired along the way, and the name and prices have changed several times, but iCloud is not Apple's first cloud. iTools became .Mac became MobileMe became iCloud. Apple switched to AWS and Azure only when these services became mature enough. But Apple had already been offering cloud services to Mac users for years before AWS or Azure came on the scene. (And those "clouds" aren't B2C cloud services anyway)
Cloud computing has existed since the 1960's. iTools was Apple's first foray and built on a house of cards (Apple was/is great at building hardware; IT services- not so much). When they expanded it to MobileMe it fell apart. Steve Jobs apologized for it. Wow! It has to be *really* bad for that to happen. Actually he didn't apologize publicly. He apologized internally to Apple employees and it went public. As such it was probably had a little more candor than Steve would have let out publically ('not Apples finest hour', 'not up to our standards' etc) That was when they switched over. My *speculation* would be that they had to pick the least of their evils. Using Google was definitely out. Amazon was the biggest and best. Microsoft was fledgling and just getting started. Apple wasn't sure they could rely on MS so they hedged their bets by using both. I believe they were MS's biggest customer and essentially gave Azure the foothold it needed to grow. So yes, iTools was there and Apple knew they wanted to do Cloud type services in 2000. When they needed one that *worked* reliably they switched to people who could do it. That is also when Apple realized it was *hard* and started a big push for their own data centers. I have little doubt Apple will eventually be 100% on their own data centers and be doing it with tremendous success.
I am actually an Apple fan and like it when Apple does things well. There are still things I miss about my iPhone. It has a lot of things that do indeed work more seamlessly than Android, and what I really miss is the little hardware switch that would let me toggle it into silent mode instantly. I generally try to be considerate and turn my phone off in a theater or meeting- but it annoys me that in order to do that on my Android phone I have to do what I'm trying to avoid... pull my phone out and fidget with it in order to put it in silent mode through the ui.
Anyways... I'll admit I never crossed into the Apple fanatic category. I look at a phone as a piece of consumer electronics- like a toaster or television. I pick the one that works best for me. What I don't often understand is the exclusionary mindset, that once Apple decides to enter a market either nobody else should be allowed to enter it, or they are just "copying" Apple. Whether it be a smart watch, television, or cloud services.
It is just my view, and I'll share it but you are free to disagree , that openness is good for Apple. Amazon putting a cloud based picture streaming on iOS? So what? If Apples offering is the best-thing-ever-because-its-flawless-its-Apple, then nobody will use Amazons product. If people actually do start using Amazon there must be something they are doing better. Apple has two fixes for their problem. Either make their product better, or wall off their garden and users will have to use Apple's offering. Every time I see an Apple fan push for the walled garden solution it baffles me. If you hate Amazon or Google, don't use them. You are still getting a big benefit from them because everybody who does switch over and uses them forces Apple to improve its own offerings.
What I don't often understand is the exclusionary mindset...
Like when you ignored all of Apple's previous cloud services so you could infer that Amazon beat Apple to market so you could slam everyone that uses iCloud?
Like when you ignored all of Apple's previous cloud services so you could infer that Amazon beat Apple to market so you could slam everyone that uses iCloud?
He needs to reply to this before saying anything else.
Apple's been selling proprietary solutions for nearly 40 years, but eventually--EVENTUALLY--someday, any day now, it's going to bite them in the ass. Apple must license Mac OS / iTunes / iOS / iCloud / (next big thing) to everyone else. Or face eventual doom.
Short memory? Apple DID bring iTunes to Windows. I doubt we'd be having a conversation right now if Apple hadn't made that move. Or if we were, it would be on Microsoft fan site and you'd be pining for the good old days when Apple still existed. And how well do you think the iPhone would have done if Apple had restricted it to only Macs?
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You claim to have a lot of problems with both Apple software and hardware (see the AppleCare thread).
I am calling total b-s.
It's certainly possible. If you were plot on a chart the issues people have there will be some people that either through the way they use their devices or by sheer bad luck (i.e.: law of large numbers) have a lot more issues than the average person. I think it's as much of a problem for them to say their problem is common or typical as it for the majority with nary an issue to say that these people don't have issues. The odds are against it, but that only makes it less probable, not impossible.
There are just some people that have bad luck when it comes to devices. My friend always has a problem regardless of manufacturer.
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Originally Posted by anantksundaram
You claim to have a lot of problems with both Apple software and hardware (see the AppleCare thread).
I am calling total b-s.
Go back and read it again. Then look up how Photostream works. Then laugh.
Big hugs,
Yer pal Sparky
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Originally Posted by tyler82
I just ran out of my free 5GB of iCloud storage, so this is perfect! Will keep my camera roll on this app, and the remaining backups on iCloud. Downloading now.. Too bad they only have an iPhone app and no ipad
You can get 5GB from Skydrive, 2GB from DropBox and lots of other places also for free.
Alternatives to iCloud have been available for years.
Too bad you have install Amazon's software and have an account.
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Originally Posted by MoXoM
If it allows me to actually view my pictures in a browser then this would be great.
Like DropBox?
Of course, anything is 'certainly possible.'
But that's also something of a vacuous statement.
You're right, it is. Mea culpa.
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Originally Posted by Suddenly Newton
Apple's been selling proprietary solutions for nearly 40 years, but eventually--EVENTUALLY--someday, any day now, it's going to bite them in the ass. Apple must license Mac OS / iTunes / iOS / iCloud / (next big thing) to everyone else. Or face eventual doom.
They already did under sculley/amellio, and damn near ruined apple by allowing clone companies to run mac os. No thanks. iCloud is a feature on iOS not amazon and not droids.
They can build there own. The first thing Jobs did during his comeback was to kill clones. It was an extremely good thing too.
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Originally Posted by Mechanic
... iCloud is a feature on iOS not amazon and not droids. They can build there own. The first thing Jobs did during his comeback was to kill clones...
Its always surprising to me when Apple enters a market how quickly Apple fans assume Apple invented it and everyone else is a 'clone' copying them and stealing their ip.
You do realize Amazon is the largest cloud provider in the world and was doing that years before Apple 'invented' iCloud?
When Apple did invent iCloud it was pretty easy for them.... they simply rented cloud space on (you guessed it) Amazons AWS servers. Some of it is on Microsofts Azure cloud as well. Apple started building data centers and trying to port their cloud off of Amazon, but they are having a pretty shaky start with it with quite a few more outages than the industry standard.
1) His comment is clearly about licensing.
2) His comment about clones isn't about copying or copycats, it's about the licensed clones that Apple allowed vendors to make, which Jobs killed when he came back.
3) Apple has been dealing with cloud-based services long before Amazon offered any such services as iCloud is only their latest marketed foray into cloud services.
4) Do you have any proof that Apple simply rents space from Amazon and MS in lieu of using their own data centers?
That's the nature of competition.
If Apple were to lose any iCloud - Photo Stream users to this, it will be on their own heads.
They must ensure that their product is continually such a superior product, that nobody would consider switching.
It's all up to them.
I don't think that would be a huge deal for Apple. If they find an alternative to Photostream they are still tied to iCloud by 2 dozen other services which tie users to iDevices and Macs.
iTools circa 2000, look it up.
I hate it when people assume they know what other people assume then go on to state it emphatically as if by doing so makes it some sort of fact.
Why "switch" anything?
This is just another adjunct to iCloud among many.
There is nothing wrong with having multiple back ups, the more the merrier.
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Originally Posted by Frood
Its always surprising to me when Apple enters a market how quickly Apple fans assume Apple invented it and everyone else is a 'clone' copying them and stealing their ip.
You do realize Amazon is the largest cloud provider in the world and was doing that years before Apple 'invented' iCloud?
When Apple did invent iCloud it was pretty easy for them.... they simply rented cloud space on (you guessed it) Amazons AWS servers. Some of it is on Microsofts Azure cloud as well. Apple started building data centers and trying to port their cloud off of Amazon, but they are having a pretty shaky start with it with quite a few more outages than the industry standard.
Enough with the straw men.
Apple fans (which you are obviously not) know that Apple had the cloud services found in iCloud going all the way back to iTools, which was over a decade ago. iDisk, iWeb, iCards, email came from iTools and various new services were added or retired along the way, and the name and prices have changed several times, but iCloud is not Apple's first cloud. iTools became .Mac became MobileMe became iCloud. Apple switched to AWS and Azure only when these services became mature enough. But Apple had already been offering cloud services to Mac users for years before AWS or Azure came on the scene. (And those "clouds" aren't B2C cloud services anyway)
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Originally Posted by Suddenly Newton
Enough with the straw men.
Apple fans (which you are obviously not) know that Apple had the cloud services found in iCloud going all the way back to iTools, which was over a decade ago. iDisk, iWeb, iCards, email came from iTools and various new services were added or retired along the way, and the name and prices have changed several times, but iCloud is not Apple's first cloud. iTools became .Mac became MobileMe became iCloud. Apple switched to AWS and Azure only when these services became mature enough. But Apple had already been offering cloud services to Mac users for years before AWS or Azure came on the scene. (And those "clouds" aren't B2C cloud services anyway)
Cloud computing has existed since the 1960's. iTools was Apple's first foray and built on a house of cards (Apple was/is great at building hardware; IT services- not so much). When they expanded it to MobileMe it fell apart. Steve Jobs apologized for it. Wow! It has to be *really* bad for that to happen. Actually he didn't apologize publicly. He apologized internally to Apple employees and it went public. As such it was probably had a little more candor than Steve would have let out publically ('not Apples finest hour', 'not up to our standards' etc) That was when they switched over. My *speculation* would be that they had to pick the least of their evils. Using Google was definitely out. Amazon was the biggest and best. Microsoft was fledgling and just getting started. Apple wasn't sure they could rely on MS so they hedged their bets by using both. I believe they were MS's biggest customer and essentially gave Azure the foothold it needed to grow. So yes, iTools was there and Apple knew they wanted to do Cloud type services in 2000. When they needed one that *worked* reliably they switched to people who could do it. That is also when Apple realized it was *hard* and started a big push for their own data centers. I have little doubt Apple will eventually be 100% on their own data centers and be doing it with tremendous success.
I am actually an Apple fan and like it when Apple does things well. There are still things I miss about my iPhone. It has a lot of things that do indeed work more seamlessly than Android, and what I really miss is the little hardware switch that would let me toggle it into silent mode instantly. I generally try to be considerate and turn my phone off in a theater or meeting- but it annoys me that in order to do that on my Android phone I have to do what I'm trying to avoid... pull my phone out and fidget with it in order to put it in silent mode through the ui.
Anyways... I'll admit I never crossed into the Apple fanatic category. I look at a phone as a piece of consumer electronics- like a toaster or television. I pick the one that works best for me. What I don't often understand is the exclusionary mindset, that once Apple decides to enter a market either nobody else should be allowed to enter it, or they are just "copying" Apple. Whether it be a smart watch, television, or cloud services.
It is just my view, and I'll share it but you are free to disagree
Like when you ignored all of Apple's previous cloud services so you could infer that Amazon beat Apple to market so you could slam everyone that uses iCloud?
Originally Posted by SolipsismX
Like when you ignored all of Apple's previous cloud services so you could infer that Amazon beat Apple to market so you could slam everyone that uses iCloud?
He needs to reply to this before saying anything else.
Short memory? Apple DID bring iTunes to Windows. I doubt we'd be having a conversation right now if Apple hadn't made that move. Or if we were, it would be on Microsoft fan site and you'd be pining for the good old days when Apple still existed. And how well do you think the iPhone would have done if Apple had restricted it to only Macs?