Google engineers talk fragmentation, how to make Android work for emerging markets

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    mercury99mercury99 Posts: 251member

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by cynic View Post


     


    Apple's Multitasking is not gimped but done right for mobile devices, at least for the current state of technology.



     


    For the current state of Apple technology - to be precise. Apple mobile devices don't have enough RAM to support real multitasking.

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  • Reply 102 of 189
    solipsismxsolipsismx Posts: 19,566member
    mercury99 wrote: »
    For the current state of Apple technology - to be precise. Apple mobile devices don't have enough RAM to support real multitasking.

    I think making blatant lies about iOS not being able to multitask despite having the ability since 1.0 should get you banned. You clearly aren't trying to add to the thread or any rational discourse.
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  • Reply 103 of 189
    dasanman69dasanman69 Posts: 13,002member
    hill60 wrote: »
    Context:-

    [SIZE=24px]<span style="color:rgb(24,24,24);font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;line-height:18px;background-color:rgb(241,241,241);">"Google doesn't control the manufacturers, they don't listen even when Google tells them something."</span>
    [/SIZE]

    Google commanded, Acer listened.

    Ok ok I got that point several posts ago. No need to keep hammering it in.
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  • Reply 104 of 189
    solipsismx wrote: »
    And yet Android still hasn't implemented cut/copy/paste as well or as completely as Apple did back in 2009 on their first attempt.

    Your argument is like saying Dropbox sucks because Apple had iDisk years prior and yet you'd be a fool to say that iDisk was as good or secure as Dropbox. Of course YOU would never say that because YOU hate Apple but that just shows your inability to be fair or reasonable.

    If Apple can improve on existing features and not be a copycat why can't anyone else seemingly?
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  • Reply 105 of 189
    vl-tone wrote: »

    Lawn decor had a much lower resolution back then... :lol:
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  • Reply 106 of 189
    mercury99mercury99 Posts: 251member

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    Originally Posted by SolipsismX View Post





    And yet Android still hasn't implemented cut/copy/paste as well or as completely as Apple did back in 2009 on their first attempt.



    Your argument is like saying Dropbox sucks because Apple had iDisk years prior and yet you'd be a fool to say that iDisk was as good or secure as Dropbox. Of course YOU would never say that because YOU hate Apple but that just shows your inability to be fair or reasonable.


     


    I don't hate Apple. I've been using Apple products for 20 years and I have owned two dozen pieces of Apple hardware. I love Apple, but not religiously, like some do. I am objective enough to say, that a smartphone with no copy/paste is "half-assed" (your terminology). 

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  • Reply 107 of 189
    dasanman69dasanman69 Posts: 13,002member
    solipsismx wrote: »
    And yet Android still hasn't implemented cut/copy/paste as well or as completely as Apple did back in 2009 on their first attempt.

    Your argument is like saying Dropbox sucks because Apple had iDisk years prior and yet you'd be a fool to say that iDisk was as good or secure as Dropbox. Of course YOU would never say that because YOU hate Apple but that just shows your inability to be fair or reasonable.

    The cut/copy/paste befuddles me. Sometimes it works splendidly and other times it makes me wanna throw my phone against a wall.
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  • Reply 108 of 189
    dasanman69dasanman69 Posts: 13,002member
    Lawn decor had a much lower resolution back then... :lol:

    Now that made me laugh. Thanks. That's 8 bit lawn decor
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  • Reply 109 of 189
    dasanman69dasanman69 Posts: 13,002member
    1000


    Chocolate Froyo? 💩

    A day later
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    dasanman69 wrote: »
    The cut/copy/paste befuddles me. Sometimes it works splendidly and other times it makes me wanna throw my phone against a wall.

    Yea Android's cut/copy/paste still needs work but it isn't nearly as bad as the atrocious present 2.3 version (maybe even pre 4.0 as the action bar didn't exist until 4.0.

    It was cool having the option but the implementation back then was phonemeetwall frustrating.
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  • Reply 111 of 189
    mercury99mercury99 Posts: 251member

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by SolipsismX View Post





    I think making blatant lies about iOS not being able to multitask despite having the ability since 1.0 should get you banned. You clearly aren't trying to add to the thread or any rational discourse.


     


    Banned? Wow, how scary! Banning - is what this site needs to completely lose traffic. 


     


    First, I've never said that "iOS not being able to multitask".


    Second, according to Wikipedia, iOS got multitasking in version 4.0, but not in version 1.0:


    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multitasking_(iOS)


     


    So, please do not make "blatant lies" (your terminology). "You clearly aren't trying to add to the thread or any rational discourse".

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    tallest skiltallest skil Posts: 43,388member


    Originally Posted by SolipsismX View Post

    I think making blatant lies… …should get you banned.


     


    MacRumors has a nicely worded rule on the subject of hoaxes (under which all that would fall) that I feel we should adopt.


     


    Pity they don't actually enforce… any of their rules, eh?

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    geekdadgeekdad Posts: 1,131member

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    Originally Posted by mercury99 View Post


     


    Banned? Wow, how scary! Banning - is what this site needs to completely lose traffic. 


     


    First, I've never said that "iOS not being able to multitask".


    Second, according to Wikipedia, iOS got multitasking in version 4.0, but not in version 1.0:


    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multitasking_(iOS)


     


    So, please do not make "blatant lies" (your terminology). "You clearly aren't trying to add to the thread or any rational discourse".



    Careful...Soli is saying you should be banned....next TS will show up and start deleting your posts....

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    geekdadgeekdad Posts: 1,131member

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Tallest Skil View Post


     


    MacRumors has a nicely worded rule on the subject of hoaxes (under which all that would fall) that I feel we should adopt.


     


    Pity they don't actually enforce… any of their rules, eh?



    Really how would you know? Aren't you banned on MacRumors?

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    sockrolidsockrolid Posts: 2,789member


    Originally Posted by AppleInsider View Post




    Google was widely expected to release a new version of its operating system at this week's Google I/O, but the Android team's comments seem to indicate that the search giant has taken a different track this year, focusing more on honing what already exists on the platform rather than leaping ahead to new versions with new features and new architectures.



     


    Let's take a look at how drastic the fragmentation really is.  Here are the usage share numbers for


    Android 4.0, 4.1, and 4.2 as of May 1, 2013, according to Wikipedia:


     


    Android 4.0.x "Ice Cream Sandwich"


    - released October 2011


    - 27.5% usage share


     


    Android 4.1.x "Jelly Bean"


    - released July 2012


    26.1% usage share


     


    Android 4.2.x "Jelly Bean"


    - released November 2012


    2.3% usage share


     


    The usage share of 4.2, after nearly six months, is just 2.3%.


    Meanwhile, 2.3.x "Gingerbread," from way back in December 2010, dominates Android usage with 38.5% usage share.


    The obvious result being, of course, that few if any developers will target any of the "advanced" features of 4.2.


    They'll be forced to stick with lowest-common-denominator features that work on 2.3.x - 4.1.x.


    Or, worse yet, they'll need to write separate code paths for the different releases' features.


    Therefore it makes perfect sense that Google takes a hiatus on new releases and features.


     


    And, after all, Google's only real concern for Android is that it deliver ads.  2.3 does that just fine.


    96% of Google's revenue comes from ads.  That's explains everything about Android.


    Google just doesn't care about Android fragmentation. Developers be damned.


     


     





    Originally Posted by AppleInsider View Post



    By comparison, Apple's iOS 6 already accounts for 83 percent of web traffic from Apple devices in North America.


     



    See what happens when you design a mobile OS carefully?


    You work out all the details of over-the-air updates.


    You make the OS appealing and thus develop world-class mindshare.


    And your users love it.  Much harder than it sounds.

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  • Reply 116 of 189
    mstonemstone Posts: 11,510member

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    Originally Posted by mercury99 View Post




    Second, according to Wikipedia, iOS got multitasking in version 4.0, but not in version 1.0:


     



    I believe his reference was to the fact that on iPhone OS 1 one could talk and surf, talk and use other apps, use other app while listening to music and so forth. When third party apps were first allowed, they were not allowed to run in the background but Apple's own apps always did.

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    philboogiephilboogie Posts: 7,675member
    It depends upon what the meaning of "on" is... Bill Clinton

    "I repeat: I did not have sex with that woman" ('we're talking about Hillary, right?')
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  • Reply 118 of 189
    irelandireland Posts: 17,802member

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    Originally Posted by Dick Applebaum View Post











    Chocolate Froyo? ????


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  • Reply 119 of 189

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    Originally Posted by mercury99 View Post


     


    For the current state of Apple technology - to be precise. Apple mobile devices don't have enough RAM to support real multitasking.



     


    You clearly have no clue what you're talking about.


     


    iOS has always been a fully pre-emptive, multitasking, multi-threaded OS. Apple made a "choice" to not allow third party Apps to run in the background. They then did a very smart thing in 4.0 and added "services" where you could have a portion of your App run in the background for tasks that actually NEED multitasking (phone calls, e-mail, notifications, location, audio and so on).


     


    Apple could allow third party Apps to multitask tomorrow by "flipping a switch" in their OS. There's nothing missing or faulty with the core architecture of iOS that prevents multitasking, as many Android fanboys constantly try to insinuate.


     


    In fact, Android doesn't do "true multitasking" (a term they coined since I never heard of "true multitasking" until a fanboy mentioned it). Android, like iOS, does not have virtual memory or a swap file and will force close Apps when resources run low. No OS that can force close an App arbitrarily can be considered to offer "true multitasking". Apps can be suspended or swapped out to virtual memory, but they shouldn't be closed outright. Android does this. So does iOS. They both remember the "state" the App was in so it can be "restarted" in such a way to make the user think the App was always running when in fact it wasn't.

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  • Reply 120 of 189
    maccherrymaccherry Posts: 924member
    Spare me! Google changes their OS Android for the sole purpose of helping the cell phone maker sell new crap. It works simply like this.
    Google keeps making a build of Android more complex than the last so it sucks a** on previous cell phone maker's hardware. It's a calculated effort between Google and the hardware guys.
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