Would it technically be pointless to have this right now because no commercial ISP provides even close to the speeds that 802.11AC is willing to provide?
Of course not. File transfers, my good man. This is basically wireless Gigabit Ethernet.
Would it technically be pointless to have this right now because no commercial ISP provides even close to the speeds that 802.11AC is willing to provide?
If you only have one device connected wirelessly though your router to your ISP then sure, 802.11ac would likely not benefit you over 802.11n or possibly even 802.11a/g, but most people have WiFi because they have multiple devices all over their home that are all vying for access to the same access point.
Been waiting on this announcement for a year now. Ever since I bought my Synology NAS last year, I've been sending more data over my wifi network than I ever thought possible. Would love to upgrade from my 2011 MBAir to a 2013 MBPro with the better GPU and 802.11ac wifi. If Apple is announcing 802.11ac support for Macbook's at WWDC 2013.. then not hard to figure out that an 802.11ac Apple Extreme router isnt far behind. Hell I would bet that they bringing 802.11ac support to all their 2013+ products.
I've looked at the title for this article gain and honestly it is a bit misleading. All this is is a card that could possibly be used in Apple hardware. There is nothing to say it is being used. It isn't that I'm not expecting 802.11ac, just that nothing about this card actually says it is going into an Apple product.
In any event we are down to just a couple of weeks maybe apple will have some early releases to reduce the WWDC congestion. They have done so before. This year does have the feel of Christmas innJune to it. :smokey:
The PVC wouldve been a great idea. Oh hindsight... where were you a while ago?
Yep, to bad can't do it now, with wooden floor and all.
Didn't know I was gone? Though I visit daily, I sure do not post daily. So many things to do, so little time. But a rumor a day keep my knowledge on Apple in play. (< whatever)
You mentioned antennas, that cold be a big issue for realizing full speeds in the handheld devices. I'm not even sure the hardware can manage the full capability of the current hardware.
Although I know we can simply install a WiFi card in a MP ourselves, I don't think we can upgrade it to .11ac.
I've looked at the title for this article gain and honestly it is a bit misleading. All this is is a card that could possibly be used in Apple hardware. There is nothing to say it is being used. It isn't that I'm not expecting 802.11ac, just that nothing about this card actually says it is going into an Apple product.
But it is a WiFi card for the Mac Pro, no doubt; look at the pics in above link ^
This year does have the feel of Christmas innJune to it. :smokey:
Indeed, especially with the shitty weather over here, freaking looks like October I&%$%^
Yep, to bad can't do it now, with wooden floor and all.
A good electrician will have access to all sorts of tools to wire up old work. Of course what is possible depends on the specifics of your house.
Didn't know I was gone? Though I visit daily, I sure do not post daily. So many things to do, so little time. But a rumor a day keep my knowledge on Apple in play. (< whatever)
Although I know we can simply install a WiFi card in a MP ourselves, I don't think we can upgrade it to .11ac.
It depends upon the skills of the upgrader and access to the required hardware. This assuming Aapple updates Mac OS with the right drivers.
There are advantageous to high population density but I will take free space over bandwidth any day.
You have a link to the fastest (fiber) ISP?
But it is a WiFi card for the Mac Pro, no doubt; look at the pics in above link ^
That is my point there is reasonable doubt. All we see in the pics is a generic WiFi card probably a Qualcom. Until Apple puts a Mac Pro on the market with this card we known nothing for certain.
Indeed, especially with the shitty weather over here, freaking looks like October I&%$%^
Everything indicates that we are moving into a cool spell for a few years, you might want to get use to it. I wonder if the enviro nuts will demand that we pump CO2 into the air to stabilize the climate if it gets to cold?
'ac' is only twice as fast as 'n' - thought it would be more than that. It would of also been nice if they could incorporate the much faster still - shorter distance 'ad' standard too, even if it isn't fully ratified yet. I read on Ars a while back I think, that Broadcom was developing chipsets that would integrate both.
It would of also been nice if they could incorporate the much faster still - shorter distance 'ad' standard too, even if it isn't fully ratified yet. I read on Ars a while back I think, that Broadcom was developing chipsets that would integrate both.
That sounds like something Apple would do, but Apple has changed as of late.
A good electrician will have access to all sorts of tools to wire up old work. Of course what is possible depends on the specifics of your house.
Yup. Just find the drainpipe and away you go.
I'm fully GigE wired (NAS for music, movies, photo libraries, projects, etc) but I'm definitely looking forward to having nearly the same speed wireless. When you get used to gigabit speeds, it's hard to settle for wireless.
[...] I hope the routers are more robust this time. Apple's offerings aren't faring too well with the number of WiFI devices we have connected to them. I think the CPU is a bottleneck but it's hard to be sure
We've only got five devices on our LAN, three Macs and two iPhones, but now you've got me wondering if the Time Capsule being the primary router might account for a recurring problem round here.
Often one of the computers will lose internet access for a minute or two. All the lights on all the devices indicate normal operation, and the other computers will continue to operate normally, but the affected one will simply not be able to open a web page. An hour or two later another computer will have the problem while the one that was affected earlier works fine. I haven't been able identify any kind of pattern, other than that we aren't doing file transfers, backups or anything "deliberate" so I have no idea what the problem is. The ISP says our modem reports 100% uptime with good signal.
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Originally Posted by SolipsismX
There are several reasons I'd like to see an iOS-based AirPorts, but most notably I'd like to see an Apple Home Server with HW RAID that can move the network "hub" from iTunes on your PC/Mac to a networked server for all the users in your household and secure remote WAN access that will eventually include home automation.
Let's dumb that down and maybe it'll happen: Just give us an Apple TV to which we can directly connect a drive full of content without requiring a computer in between. I'd love to be able to watch stuff without having to boot a computer and start iTunes.
We've only got five devices on our LAN, three Macs and two iPhones, but now you've got me wondering if the Time Capsule being the primary router might account for a recurring problem round here.
Often one of the computers will lose internet access for a minute or two. All the lights on all the devices indicate normal operation, and the other computers will continue to operate normally, but the affected one will simply not be able to open a web page. An hour or two later another computer will have the problem while the one that was affected earlier works fine. I haven't been able identify any kind of pattern, other than that we aren't doing file transfers, backups or anything "deliberate" so I have no idea what the problem is. The ISP says our modem reports 100% uptime with good signal.
Unfortunately Apple removed the hidden ability to use SNMP in AirPort Configuration Utility 6.0. You may be able to get it back with some trickery with version 5.6. This might help but I am not certain this will even work with the latest upgrades to their router firmware.
Let's dumb that down and maybe it'll happen: Just give us an Apple TV to which we can directly connect a drive full of content without requiring a computer in between. I'd love to be able to watch stuff without having to boot a computer and start iTunes.
That is my point there is reasonable doubt. All we see in the pics is a generic WiFi card probably a Qualcom. Until Apple puts a Mac Pro on the market with this card we known nothing for certain.
That's true, nothing is certain until released.
Indeed, especially with the shitty weather over here, freaking looks like October I&%$%^
Everything indicates that we are moving into a cool spell for a few years, you might want to get use to it. I wonder if the enviro nuts will demand that we pump CO2 into the air to stabilize the climate if it gets to cold?[/quote]
Unfortunately Apple removed the hidden ability to use SNMP in AirPort Configuration Utility 6.0. You may be able to get it back with some trickery with version 5.6. This might help but I am not certain this will even work with the latest upgrades to their router firmware.
Unfortunately Apple removed the hidden ability to use SNMP in AirPort Configuration Utility 6.0. You may be able to get it back with some trickery with version 5.6. This might help but I am not certain this will even work with the latest upgrades to their router firmware.
Thank you for the helpful information. Hopefully it will assist others more motivated and skilled than I. After years of tinkering, I have reached an age at which I am no longer willing to expend the time, energy and frustration required to "futz." Also, my being pretty stupid means the exercise is more difficult and time consuming for me than it would be for someone of typical intelligence.
About five years ago I adopted a device replacement approach to problem solving and it has actually served me pretty well. I just narrow down a problem to which device is causing it and replace it with something else. That almost always works, and doesn't require any heavy mental lifting.
In this case it's starting to look like the Capsule's time is up. The only reason I'm using an Apple router at all is the convenience of Airport Utility, which is nice, but not at the expense of consistent and reliable performance.
I wasn't thinking drain pipe but the point is reinforced, there are a surprising number of solutions for wiring up old work. It may cost a bit more than you desire but it is possible. Often good results can be achieved DIY too. It is an issue of having the desire - where there is a will there is a way!
I'm fully GigE wired (NAS for music, movies, photo libraries, projects, etc) but I'm definitely looking forward to having nearly the same speed wireless. When you get used to gigabit speeds, it's hard to settle for wireless.
I've never really understood the fascination with WiFi, it certainly has its place in the home but as you have indicated it is a far far cry from wired speeds. The hope I have for 'ac" though is that it greatly reduces the need for that wired connection for laptop use.
Thank you for the helpful information. Hopefully it will assist others more motivated and skilled than I. After years of tinkering, I have reached an age at which I am no longer willing to expend the time, energy and frustration required to "futz." Also, my being pretty stupid means the exercise is more difficult and time consuming for me than it would be for someone of typical intelligence.
I wouldn't rush to blame the Time Capsule though. What you describe can happen on any number of LAN systems. Even my iPad can have intermittent problems with some LANs.
About five years ago I adopted a device replacement approach to problem solving and it has actually served me pretty well. I just narrow down a problem to which device is causing it and replace it with something else. That almost always works, and doesn't require any heavy mental lifting.
You are not the only one that takes that approach! However I'm not going to support you on this one. This issue may very well be Mac OS related. Apples Wifi equipment has a fairly good reputation so before swapping out hardware i'd search around a bit for similar faults.
In this case it's starting to look like the Capsule's time is up. The only reason I'm using an Apple router at all is the convenience of Airport Utility, which is nice, but not at the expense of consistent and reliable performance.
The problem is how sure are you that it is a Time Capsule problem? I only ask because I've seen similar behavior from my Mac on other hardware.
In any event I''d wait for the new Apple hardware to come. If they switch over to Apples SOC you could end up seeing some really impressive performance and hopefully new features.
Unfortunately Apple removed the hidden ability to use SNMP in AirPort Configuration Utility 6.0. You may be able to get it back with some trickery with version 5.6. This might help but I am not certain this will even work with the latest upgrades to their router firmware.
Have you considered writing a bug report in regards to the missing SNMP protocols? That is one way to make Apple aware of user needs.
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Originally Posted by techreader24
Would it technically be pointless to have this right now because no commercial ISP provides even close to the speeds that 802.11AC is willing to provide?
Of course not. File transfers, my good man. This is basically wireless Gigabit Ethernet.
If you only have one device connected wirelessly though your router to your ISP then sure, 802.11ac would likely not benefit you over 802.11n or possibly even 802.11a/g, but most people have WiFi because they have multiple devices all over their home that are all vying for access to the same access point.
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Originally Posted by RichL
Cool. I hope that the Airport Extreme is updated at the same time!
That and the Time Capsule. 802.11ac has been waiting for final approval for a while now.
Been waiting on this announcement for a year now. Ever since I bought my Synology NAS last year, I've been sending more data over my wifi network than I ever thought possible. Would love to upgrade from my 2011 MBAir to a 2013 MBPro with the better GPU and 802.11ac wifi. If Apple is announcing 802.11ac support for Macbook's at WWDC 2013.. then not hard to figure out that an 802.11ac Apple Extreme router isnt far behind. Hell I would bet that they bringing 802.11ac support to all their 2013+ products.
In any event we are down to just a couple of weeks maybe apple will have some early releases to reduce the WWDC congestion. They have done so before. This year does have the feel of Christmas innJune to it. :smokey:
Yep, to bad can't do it now, with wooden floor and all.
Didn't know I was gone? Though I visit daily, I sure do not post daily. So many things to do, so little time. But a rumor a day keep my knowledge on Apple in play. (< whatever)
Although I know we can simply install a WiFi card in a MP ourselves, I don't think we can upgrade it to .11ac.
Here are really good pics from an old MP:
http://www.otwayross.net/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=20
Wow, really, 50Gbps? Over here they max it out @ 500Mbps, down and up.
http://www.kpn.com/glasvezel/glasvezel-pakketten.htm
You have a link to the fastest (fiber) ISP?
But it is a WiFi card for the Mac Pro, no doubt; look at the pics in above link ^
Indeed, especially with the shitty weather over here, freaking looks like October I&%$%^
Originally Posted by 1983
It would of also been nice if they could incorporate the much faster still - shorter distance 'ad' standard too, even if it isn't fully ratified yet. I read on Ars a while back I think, that Broadcom was developing chipsets that would integrate both.
That sounds like something Apple would do, but Apple has changed as of late.
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Originally Posted by wizard69
A good electrician will have access to all sorts of tools to wire up old work. Of course what is possible depends on the specifics of your house.
Yup. Just find the drainpipe and away you go.
I'm fully GigE wired (NAS for music, movies, photo libraries, projects, etc) but I'm definitely looking forward to having nearly the same speed wireless. When you get used to gigabit speeds, it's hard to settle for wireless.
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Originally Posted by SolipsismX
[...] I hope the routers are more robust this time. Apple's offerings aren't faring too well with the number of WiFI devices we have connected to them. I think the CPU is a bottleneck but it's hard to be sure
We've only got five devices on our LAN, three Macs and two iPhones, but now you've got me wondering if the Time Capsule being the primary router might account for a recurring problem round here.
Often one of the computers will lose internet access for a minute or two. All the lights on all the devices indicate normal operation, and the other computers will continue to operate normally, but the affected one will simply not be able to open a web page. An hour or two later another computer will have the problem while the one that was affected earlier works fine. I haven't been able identify any kind of pattern, other than that we aren't doing file transfers, backups or anything "deliberate" so I have no idea what the problem is. The ISP says our modem reports 100% uptime with good signal.
Quote:
Originally Posted by SolipsismX
There are several reasons I'd like to see an iOS-based AirPorts, but most notably I'd like to see an Apple Home Server with HW RAID that can move the network "hub" from iTunes on your PC/Mac to a networked server for all the users in your household and secure remote WAN access that will eventually include home automation.
Let's dumb that down and maybe it'll happen: Just give us an Apple TV to which we can directly connect a drive full of content without requiring a computer in between. I'd love to be able to watch stuff without having to boot a computer and start iTunes.
Unfortunately Apple removed the hidden ability to use SNMP in AirPort Configuration Utility 6.0. You may be able to get it back with some trickery with version 5.6. This might help but I am not certain this will even work with the latest upgrades to their router firmware.
I'll take it!
That's true, nothing is certain until released.
Everything indicates that we are moving into a cool spell for a few years, you might want to get use to it. I wonder if the enviro nuts will demand that we pump CO2 into the air to stabilize the climate if it gets to cold?[/quote]
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5.6 still works at my end; AE with n.
Quote:
Originally Posted by SolipsismX
Unfortunately Apple removed the hidden ability to use SNMP in AirPort Configuration Utility 6.0. You may be able to get it back with some trickery with version 5.6. This might help but I am not certain this will even work with the latest upgrades to their router firmware.
Thank you for the helpful information. Hopefully it will assist others more motivated and skilled than I. After years of tinkering, I have reached an age at which I am no longer willing to expend the time, energy and frustration required to "futz." Also, my being pretty stupid means the exercise is more difficult and time consuming for me than it would be for someone of typical intelligence.
About five years ago I adopted a device replacement approach to problem solving and it has actually served me pretty well. I just narrow down a problem to which device is causing it and replace it with something else. That almost always works, and doesn't require any heavy mental lifting.
In this case it's starting to look like the Capsule's time is up. The only reason I'm using an Apple router at all is the convenience of Airport Utility, which is nice, but not at the expense of consistent and reliable performance.
I've never really understood the fascination with WiFi, it certainly has its place in the home but as you have indicated it is a far far cry from wired speeds. The hope I have for 'ac" though is that it greatly reduces the need for that wired connection for laptop use.
The problem is how sure are you that it is a Time Capsule problem? I only ask because I've seen similar behavior from my Mac on other hardware.
In any event I''d wait for the new Apple hardware to come. If they switch over to Apples SOC you could end up seeing some really impressive performance and hopefully new features.