Editorial: Apple's iOS 7 needs exclusive, distinctive features, not just a flat UI

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  • Reply 121 of 257
    gazoobeegazoobee Posts: 3,754member

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by charlituna View Post





    I often wonder if he's ghost writing as Mike Elgan over in CultofMac and Michael Steeber on 9to5Mac cause the quality is about the same


     


    This is a low blow.  Michael Steeber is a school kid with no experience and Mike Elgan is a card carrying lunatic with delusions of grandeur.  The editorials here, regardless of what problems them may have, are leagues ahead of the nonsense those guys spew over at CultofMac.  


     


    I mean come on … Mike Elgan in particular contradicts himself with every single article.  One week he argues A, the next he argues the opposite of A.  He doesn't back any of his opinions up with anything resembling facts, he does no research, and offers no convincing arguments in any of his articles other than (the unspoken) "this is what I think."  


     


    The man is a preening gas-bag who has been fired or kicked out of every serious journalistic institution he's worked for.  Now he writes for CultofMac, which gives you a really good idea what CultofMac is like (hint: they are more concerned with selling offensive T-Shirts and monetizing links to software sales than journalism).  

  • Reply 122 of 257
    carthusiacarthusia Posts: 583member

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    Originally Posted by christopher126 View Post





    Agreed, I thought I was doing something wrong when I couldn't just text the photo I'd just taken directly from the camera app!


    But you can. Inside Camera.app, you can tap on the Camera Roll button, which is in the bottom left corner and is represented as a miniature of the last picture in your Camera Roll. That button takes you to the Camera Roll (which, again, IS in your Camera App). From your Camera Roll or Photos.app, tap on a photo, the share sheet emerges, and you can share that photo with any number of enabled apps (e.g., iMessage, Mail, facebook, Twitter). That bottom left button in Camera.app basically allows you to toggle between taking a photo and editing/deleting/reviewing/sharing photos you've already taken. I rarely use Photos.app because of that functionality.

  • Reply 123 of 257
    The Metro UI would look great in 16-color EGA. Perhaps Windows 2.0 is coming back. I can finally put my 286 back into service.
  • Reply 124 of 257
    ecsecs Posts: 307member
    If the competitor is Android, iOS doesn't need anything special to beat it, because Android is made by removing from Linux its best strengths, and replacing them with non-consistent and unstable concepts from the Windows world. Add Java to it, unreasonable apps permissions to user private data, and you end up with a system iOS beats in every release.

    So, iOS doesn't need anything special *if* (and note the *if*) the competitor is Android.

    But if some vendor manages to ship a touch-Linux with all the UNIX strengths and features, then, yes, iOS will have a problem. But in the meantime you can be confident you can beat Android even with a Windows-3.1 based system.
  • Reply 125 of 257
    irelandireland Posts: 17,794member
    ecs wrote: »
    If the competitor is Android, iOS doesn't need anything special to beat it, because Android is made by removing from Linux its best strengths, and replacing them with non-consistent and unstable concepts from the Windows world. Add Java to it, unreasonable apps permissions to user private data, and you end up with a system iOS beats in every release.

    So, iOS doesn't need anything special *if* (and note the *if*) the competitor is Android.

    But if some vendor manages to ship a touch-Linux with all the UNIX strengths and features, then, yes, iOS will have a problem. But in the meantime you can be confident you can beat Android even with a Windows-3.1 based system.

    You are aware consumers buy products, right?
  • Reply 126 of 257
    ankleskaterankleskater Posts: 1,287member

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    Originally Posted by robogobo View Post





    Ugh. FCPX is just fine after a few point updates. Please. The only people who can't handle X are old guys too set in their ways to try new things. For them there's Avid and Premiere.


    I didn't say it wasn't fine. Is reading comprehension still a problem for you, "young guy"?

  • Reply 127 of 257
    timgriff84timgriff84 Posts: 912member
    The problem with this articles argument is that phones and pcs are not the same thing. The OS on a pc is just the gateway to the program you want to use. People don't care that much about it which is why they don't like it to change.

    A phone however is a luxury gadget that people like to change every year. The OS is a big part of a phone experience. Its your messages, emails, music, etc. So the lock screen and start things become very important things which are what the devices are sold on.

    Id argue that iPhone needs a refresh. The current home screen isn't just the original iphone screen, its what was on feature phones before it! Both it and the lock screen are also just not that functional that's why it needs a refresh.

    We're also entering a time when the apps are becoming the same on all platforms. Even the new Facebook app on windows phone is the same as ios and android. So when these apps run the same on a £120 Nokia, Apple has to add something more if it wants to keep its premium price at £400.
  • Reply 128 of 257
    Apple needs to focus on the current limitations of iOS that prevent it from being a full replacement for a desktop computer. One of these is a real file system or a way for apps to organize, share and store large numbers of documents. As it stands the only way to share a document between apps is to use the "send to" feature which not many apps support or do so inconsistently.

    Apps also need better multitasking and background processing features. Background tasks are currently limited to navigation and music apps and are woefully incomplete even there. Why, for example, can't podcast apps download new episodes in the background so that they are ready to listen immediately when you turn on your iPhone? Power consumption is the main reason Apple does not want apps to run in the background but perhaps if apps were given a power budget that users could control that would prevent badly designed apps from draining the battery. You could also see which apps used the most battery in the foreground or background and know to avoid those or disable their background ability. A properly designed app should use minimal power in the background. For example, my app tracks GPS signals but can do so using a Bluetooth GPS. It can track for 12 hours while my iPod's power remains at 100%.

    I would also like the ability to organize my apps better. Folders are nice but are a bit crude. Apps need better categorization both in the App Store and on the device. eBay does a really good job of categorization. It can keep many millions of items categorized and easy to find. That would be a good model to follow.
  • Reply 129 of 257
    tallest skiltallest skil Posts: 43,388member


    Originally Posted by GrangerFX View Post

    …a real file system…


     


    Do you people do any research before saying crap?






    Folders are nice but are a bit crude.



     


    "I want a 'file system', but I don't want a file system."






    Apps need better categorization both in the App Store…



     


    ABSOFREAKINGLUTELY.




    I'll scream it from rooftops until Apple gets it through their heads: "Games" is not sufficient by anyone's metric, I don't care what the situation. Games/RTS/Sci-Fi is sufficient. Utilities/Searching/Restaurants is sufficient, not "Utilities".

  • Reply 130 of 257

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    Originally Posted by 1983 View Post


    Really? What about Windows XP that looked very different from Windows 95/98...



     


     image NOPE. Reskinning icons with the XP "Playskool" theme doesn't count doesn't count as "very different." And you could turn that off in the control panel to get back the Windows 2000 look, which is what Windows 95 looked like with gradient title bars.

  • Reply 131 of 257
    antkm1antkm1 Posts: 1,441member

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    Originally Posted by Mazda 3s View Post



    I have another, simple change. There is no need for the bottom menu bar to be so tall in Safari. You could easily shave quite a bit of space above and below the icons and regain some screen real estate.

     


    it's all about tap target size.  your finger is so big and reducing the tap target size will reduce the accuracy and really annoy people.  I already have a huge issue where if I tap the Message app too quickly it will think i'm sliding instead of tapping and drag me over to the blank spotlight screen.

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    chris_cachris_ca Posts: 2,543member

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    Originally Posted by AppleInsider View Post

    And stop leaving user experience dead-ends in iOS, such as where you can see your photos within Camera, but to do anything with them you need to exit and enter the Photos app. This is ridiculous.

     


    Yes, you can do plenty inside the Camera app without ever entering the Photos app.


    Quote:

    Originally Posted by saarek View Post

    I second the need to fix the camera dead end issue. Don't know how it ever got out the door like that.


    What "camera dead end" issue?


    Quote:

    Originally Posted by christopher126 View Post

    Agreed, I thought I was doing something wrong when I couldn't just text the photo I'd just taken directly from the camera app!


    You are doing something wrong.


     


    From inside the Camera app...


     


     


  • Reply 133 of 257
    gazoobeegazoobee Posts: 3,754member

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    Originally Posted by Tallest Skil View Post


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    ABSOFREAKINGLUTELY.




    I'll scream it from rooftops until Apple gets it through their heads: "Games" is not sufficient by anyone's metric, I don't care what the situation. Games/RTS/Sci-Fi is sufficient. Utilities/Searching/Restaurants is sufficient, not "Utilities".



     


    Also, like almost everyone else on the Internet lately, they don't seem to understand the difference between a category and a tag.  Everyone is so tag happy in the last five years or so that they don't appreciate that categories are just as important.  Most seem to think that tagging a bunch of information is the same thing as putting it into categories.  It's not.  


     


    Categories and Tags are two separate systems that in any decent database, support each other.  One cannot replace the other. 

  • Reply 134 of 257

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by erronious View Post



    This is a great article, and I hope apple is listening. My biggest wish for the new iOS is some type of useful file management system. I want to use this iPhone (& iPad) to create and share, not just consume. The operative word is "useful"--I haven't seen a touch os that has the capability of a mouse/trackpad system.


     


    Neither has Apple. That's why they sell Macs, with mice and/or trackpads.

  • Reply 135 of 257
    relicrelic Posts: 4,735member
    jay-t wrote: »
    Or how are you explaining the fact, that Google held a developer conference without introducing any new software?!

    Uhm, you must have been watching a different conference.
  • Reply 136 of 257
    mazda 3smazda 3s Posts: 1,612member
    antkm1 wrote: »
    it's all about tap target size.  your finger is so big and reducing the tap target size will reduce the accuracy and really annoy people.  I already have a huge issue where if I tap the Message app too quickly it will think i'm sliding instead of tapping and drag me over to the blank spotlight screen.

    The tap target size would still be much bigger than the "X" and "Clear" in Notification Center, Hi-Yo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ;)
  • Reply 137 of 257
    gazoobeegazoobee Posts: 3,754member

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by antkm1 View Post


    it's all about tap target size.  your finger is so big and reducing the tap target size will reduce the accuracy and really annoy people.  I already have a huge issue where if I tap the Message app too quickly it will think i'm sliding instead of tapping and drag me over to the blank spotlight screen.



     


    Still there is a lot of clutter and even some poor design in mobile Safari that could be removed, and the bar is actually pretty freaking gigantic.  It could easily be reduced by a few pixels at least.  


     


    Personally, I continue to be mystified but the fact that when using mobile Safari in "private" mode, it still saves all my web pages from the previous session.  On mobile, one tends to look things up quickly and then dismiss them.  Having access to whatever page you had open the last time you used Safari, (and having to wait for a minute or two to load all that nonsense, only to have to delete it once it's done) is a huge wage of time.  I want to use Safari to quickly look something up, not have to wait while it loads up whatever you looked for when you were in that restaurant two days ago.  


     


    Especially since iOS devices usually have very low system memory and have to swap all that nonsense back into it, this seems like a really poor design decision to me, especially for "private" browsing.  


     


    I think if I have set my browser to private mode, turned off cookies and explicitly told the mobile I don't want to be tacked or keep a record of my history etc., that saving my last open pages and then throwing them in my face the next time I use the browser is just idiotic.  It seems to be based on "old" desktop type thinking about how people use browsers.  

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    irelandireland Posts: 17,794member
    chris_ca wrote: »
    Yes, you can do plenty inside the Camera app without ever entering the Photos app.
    What "camera dead end" issue?
    You are doing something wrong.

    From inside the Camera app...


    <img alt="" class="lightbox-enabled" data-id="25619" data-type="61" height="480" src="http://forums.appleinsider.com/content/type/61/id/25619/width/350/height/700/flags/LL" style="; width: 320px; height: 480px;" width="320">

    Enter the camera app from the lock screen with no pass code and try again.
  • Reply 139 of 257
    tallest skiltallest skil Posts: 43,388member


    Originally Posted by Ireland View Post

    Enter the camera app from the lock screen with no pass code and try again.


     


    No fricking duh you can't send messages when you haven't even proven you're the owner of the device!



    Come on, man.

  • Reply 140 of 257
    irelandireland Posts: 17,794member
    gazoobee wrote: »
    I think if I have set my browser to private mode, turned off cookies and explicitly told the mobile I don't want to be tracked or keep a record of my history etc., that saving my last open pages and then throwing them in my face the next time I use the browser is just idiotic.  It seems to be based on "old" desktop type thinking about how people use browsers.  

    When you turn on private browsing you are given this option:

    700

    And like you said, you're given a cookie option (and history is not remembered no matter what). Am I missing something?
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