There is a tremendous amount of lack of understanding here. Hopefully I can bring some sanity and critical thinking to this discussion:
... and then a bunch of stuff after this...
I think that everything you said has been said a hundred times before... but, in this case, I believe that "low cost iPhone" means something totally different than a subsidized older or rejigged model.
All of this discussion about Apple’s iPhone plans is good and all, but what just happened with the MacPro was completely unforeseen by all. So that makes me a bit cautious about the past being proof of the future. (Granted the MacPro is somewhat of a niche product compared to the iPhone, but still)
General consensus seems to be
Option a) Apple goes along with the release of an updated iPhone, the 5s and offers the iP5 + iP4s on the cheap
or Option b) Apple repeats their iPod strategy and explores different form factors, price points, etc. going forward
I feel there is an Option c) that none of us can foresee...
(And also Tim used the word "surprise" to come in the fall - maybe it’s an iPhone related surprise:)
So...here we are....bloggers journalists and users alike....totally and completely taken in by the idea of a "low-cost" iPhone.....when it already exists....sort of. Today, it's called the iPhone 4S. Last year it was called the iPhone 4. Before that it was called the iPhone 3GS. Getting it yet?
Obviously you're missing the point of 'low cost'. In the U.S., a low cost phone purchased from a major carrier makes no sense since the total cost is only marginally different.
Base iPhone 5 - $199 -- plus $80 per month, 2 year total of $2320 (AT&T, etc)
iPhone 4S - $99 - plus $80 per month, 2 year total of $2220
iphone 4 - free -- plus $80 per month, 2 year total of $2120
None of those is a low cost option.
Alternatively, you could use
Unlocked base iPhone 5 - $649 -- plus $45 per month, 2 year total of $1730 (Straight Talk, Net 10)
Better, but still high.
What people are envisioning with a 'low cost" phone would be something like:
Unlocked base iPhone - $300 - plus $45 per month, 2 year total of $1380 (Straight Talk, Net 10)
Keep in mind that this is much closer to the situation in much of the world where they don't have the rate scheme like the US where there's little advantage to buying a cheaper phone. And if you keep the phone past the contract expiration, it gets even worse. In countries where phones are not subsidized by the carriers, the difference between a $300 phone and a $649 phone is very significant.
So, again, what does it mean to get a "low cost iPhone"? Because I can tell you right now, there is not one living soul that would agree that paying $399 up front for their iPhone, and then an average of $75-$100 a month for service, equates to "low-cost". Not in any way shape or form. You cannot spin that to make any sense.
However, is $99 up front and then the same monthly cost, by comparison, "low-cost"? You bet your sweet behind it is. Every American between the ages of 18 and 45 would see that as the "low-cost" option when the two are compared.
The keyword above is "American", this is where your argument falls apart. The low cost phone isn't targeted at the US. In many countries, you can get a service provider starting at about $15/month, IF it's not subsidising the phone. So $350 for the Low Cost iphone, plus $15/month, is VASTLY cheaper than your model ($99 for a 4S up front and then $75/month for 2 years). Do the math.
Anybody remember all those tapered iPhone 4S cases that were released prior to the phone's unveil? Yeah, I would take any new case designs with a grain of salt.
Well, there are all sorts of people out there. Tallest is banned but someone will replace him. I know I have ignored people plenty of times. I rarely feel strong enough about the things I post on this forum to get upset over them. You can't do anything about the other person, but you can control how you handle the situation and treat them with the respect they refuse to show you.
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Anyway. I personally think Apple should stay a premium brand. Forget low cost iPhone shit. If people want low cost ,buy Android.
It really depends on your prospective. It will likely be a premium phone when it is compared to the smartphones that compete directly against it in the markets they intend to target. The word "premium" is relative and depends on who your competition is. If you look at all the cell phones in the world as one giant market, then I guess Apple is making a cheap phone. If you break it down into individual markets, the way I believe Apple does, they are releasing a premium phone targeted to a specific market.
Anyway... back to the low-cost iPhone... which I think will happen... for China Mobile.
China, India and Brazil are huge markets potential if apple could offer something there that is appealing to more than 2% of the population. Even in developped markets, EU could used a less than $400 iphone that is NOT the previous model.
... and that made all the other crap acceptable. [... and the use of back door insults to skirt TOS violation term were just as, if not more than, harsh ]
Anyway... back to the low-cost iPhone... which I think will happen... for China Mobile.
I don't think anyone here believes Tallest was a kind gentle soul. You notice no one has said he didn't deserve the ban. People are defending him because he's not here to defend himself. The guys been banned. It's over. You're letting him get to you and he's not even here.
I wish they would focus on a phone that is meant for daily use - the 5s is a great design but scratches so easily and the soft metal doesn't help either. Forcing me to protect in a case really goes against the design....
Well, there are all sorts of people out there. You can't do anything about the other person, but you can control how you handle the situation and treat them with the respect they refuse to show you.
It will likely be a premium phone when it is compared to the smartphones that compete directly against it in the markets they intend to target. The word "premium" is relative and depends on who your competition is.
Well, there are all sorts of people out there. Tallest is banned but someone will replace him. I know I have ignored people plenty of times. I rarely feel strong enough about the things I post on this forum to get upset over them. You can't do anything about the other person, but you can control how you handle the situation and treat them with the respect they refuse to show you.
Well, there are all sorts of people out there. Tallest is banned but someone will replace him. I know I have ignored people plenty of times. I rarely feel strong enough about the things I post on this forum to get upset over them. You can't do anything about the other person, but you can control how you handle the situation and treat them with the respect they refuse to show you.
+1 for the part in bold... but I don't think that AI would be wise to bring in another moderator with that type of style. All the other moderators have shown a great deal of restraint for the most part and rarely, if ever, get into a pissing match with members and then banning that member for said pissing match.
It was just weird.
... and, as I said... just responding to what is being said.
Well, there are all sorts of people out there. Tallest is banned but someone will replace him. I know I have ignored people plenty of times. I rarely feel strong enough about the things I post on this forum to get upset over them. You can't do anything about the other person, but you can control how you handle the situation and treat them with the respect they refuse to show you.
It really depends on your prospective. It will likely be a premium phone when it is compared to the smartphones that compete directly against it in the markets they intend to target. The word "premium" is relative and depends on who your competition is. If you look at all the cell phones in the world as one giant market, then I guess Apple is making a cheap phone. If you break it down into individual markets, the way I believe Apple does, they are releasing a premium phone targeted to a specific market.
Great advice......for all of us....but there are times when a response is needed...but under control and by the rules...
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Originally Posted by pmz
There is a tremendous amount of lack of understanding here. Hopefully I can bring some sanity and critical thinking to this discussion:
... and then a bunch of stuff after this...
I think that everything you said has been said a hundred times before... but, in this case, I believe that "low cost iPhone" means something totally different than a subsidized older or rejigged model.
All of this discussion about Apple’s iPhone plans is good and all, but what just happened with the MacPro was completely unforeseen by all. So that makes me a bit cautious about the past being proof of the future. (Granted the MacPro is somewhat of a niche product compared to the iPhone, but still)
General consensus seems to be
Option a) Apple goes along with the release of an updated iPhone, the 5s and offers the iP5 + iP4s on the cheap
or Option b) Apple repeats their iPod strategy and explores different form factors, price points, etc. going forward
I feel there is an Option c) that none of us can foresee...
(And also Tim used the word "surprise" to come in the fall - maybe it’s an iPhone related surprise:)
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Originally Posted by facethefire
I read it regularly but with that parasite as a moderator I never posted my opinion.
Tallest Ski and I had our scuffles, but you should be banned from using those kind disgusting of ad-hominem attacks against someone who isn't here.
Obviously you're missing the point of 'low cost'. In the U.S., a low cost phone purchased from a major carrier makes no sense since the total cost is only marginally different.
Base iPhone 5 - $199 -- plus $80 per month, 2 year total of $2320 (AT&T, etc)
iPhone 4S - $99 - plus $80 per month, 2 year total of $2220
iphone 4 - free -- plus $80 per month, 2 year total of $2120
None of those is a low cost option.
Alternatively, you could use
Unlocked base iPhone 5 - $649 -- plus $45 per month, 2 year total of $1730 (Straight Talk, Net 10)
Better, but still high.
What people are envisioning with a 'low cost" phone would be something like:
Unlocked base iPhone - $300 - plus $45 per month, 2 year total of $1380 (Straight Talk, Net 10)
Keep in mind that this is much closer to the situation in much of the world where they don't have the rate scheme like the US where there's little advantage to buying a cheaper phone. And if you keep the phone past the contract expiration, it gets even worse. In countries where phones are not subsidized by the carriers, the difference between a $300 phone and a $649 phone is very significant.
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Originally Posted by pmz
So, again, what does it mean to get a "low cost iPhone"? Because I can tell you right now, there is not one living soul that would agree that paying $399 up front for their iPhone, and then an average of $75-$100 a month for service, equates to "low-cost". Not in any way shape or form. You cannot spin that to make any sense.
However, is $99 up front and then the same monthly cost, by comparison, "low-cost"? You bet your sweet behind it is. Every American between the ages of 18 and 45 would see that as the "low-cost" option when the two are compared.
The keyword above is "American", this is where your argument falls apart. The low cost phone isn't targeted at the US. In many countries, you can get a service provider starting at about $15/month, IF it's not subsidising the phone. So $350 for the Low Cost iphone, plus $15/month, is VASTLY cheaper than your model ($99 for a 4S up front and then $75/month for 2 years). Do the math.
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Originally Posted by Slurpy
Tallest Ski and I had our scuffles, but you should be banned from using those kind disgusting of ad-hominem attacks against someone who isn't here.
I wish people showed this much passion about moderating this Forum when it was a moderator who was the offender.
Anybody remember all those tapered iPhone 4S cases that were released prior to the phone's unveil? Yeah, I would take any new case designs with a grain of salt.
He generally didn't do name-calling, unless the name was "troll." But that was usually when trolling was going on.
The low-cost iPhone... which I think will happen... for China Mobile.
Well, there are all sorts of people out there. Tallest is banned but someone will replace him. I know I have ignored people plenty of times. I rarely feel strong enough about the things I post on this forum to get upset over them. You can't do anything about the other person, but you can control how you handle the situation and treat them with the respect they refuse to show you.
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Anyway. I personally think Apple should stay a premium brand. Forget low cost iPhone shit. If people want low cost ,buy Android.
It really depends on your prospective. It will likely be a premium phone when it is compared to the smartphones that compete directly against it in the markets they intend to target. The word "premium" is relative and depends on who your competition is. If you look at all the cell phones in the world as one giant market, then I guess Apple is making a cheap phone. If you break it down into individual markets, the way I believe Apple does, they are releasing a premium phone targeted to a specific market.
It would be hilarious if Apple made the low-cost iPhone be a freemium model. Imagine a free iPhone but you have to pay to unlock features.
LOL. In other words, his plan worked.
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Originally Posted by island hermit
Anyway... back to the low-cost iPhone... which I think will happen... for China Mobile.
China, India and Brazil are huge markets potential if apple could offer something there that is appealing to more than 2% of the population. Even in developped markets, EU could used a less than $400 iphone that is NOT the previous model.
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Originally Posted by island hermit
... and that made all the other crap acceptable. [... and the use of back door insults to skirt TOS violation term were just as, if not more than, harsh ]
Anyway... back to the low-cost iPhone... which I think will happen... for China Mobile.
I don't think anyone here believes Tallest was a kind gentle soul. You notice no one has said he didn't deserve the ban. People are defending him because he's not here to defend himself. The guys been banned. It's over. You're letting him get to you and he's not even here.
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Originally Posted by rednival
Well, there are all sorts of people out there. You can't do anything about the other person, but you can control how you handle the situation and treat them with the respect they refuse to show you.
It will likely be a premium phone when it is compared to the smartphones that compete directly against it in the markets they intend to target. The word "premium" is relative and depends on who your competition is.
+1
+1 (bolded by me)
couldn't have said it any better.
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Originally Posted by rednival
You're letting him get to you and he's not even here.
Wrong.
I'm just responding to the bs that others are writing.
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Originally Posted by rednival
Well, there are all sorts of people out there. Tallest is banned but someone will replace him. I know I have ignored people plenty of times. I rarely feel strong enough about the things I post on this forum to get upset over them. You can't do anything about the other person, but you can control how you handle the situation and treat them with the respect they refuse to show you.
+1 for the part in bold... but I don't think that AI would be wise to bring in another moderator with that type of style. All the other moderators have shown a great deal of restraint for the most part and rarely, if ever, get into a pissing match with members and then banning that member for said pissing match.
It was just weird.
... and, as I said... just responding to what is being said.
Apologies for hijacking this thread.
Well, there are all sorts of people out there. Tallest is banned but someone will replace him. I know I have ignored people plenty of times. I rarely feel strong enough about the things I post on this forum to get upset over them. You can't do anything about the other person, but you can control how you handle the situation and treat them with the respect they refuse to show you.
It really depends on your prospective. It will likely be a premium phone when it is compared to the smartphones that compete directly against it in the markets they intend to target. The word "premium" is relative and depends on who your competition is. If you look at all the cell phones in the world as one giant market, then I guess Apple is making a cheap phone. If you break it down into individual markets, the way I believe Apple does, they are releasing a premium phone targeted to a specific market.
Great advice......for all of us....but there are times when a response is needed...but under control and by the rules...