The sole purpose of a school is not just to have a place for a kid to stay while their parent is at work, it's there for the reason to educate children, give them the opportunity to become something. The education system hasn't changed in centuries, and needs to. I believe the iPad has the chance to give kid's a personalized approach to education, and will engage them to not think they're memorizing the material but instead actually LEARNING it. It's also worthy to note that most of these education technology apps, are games which keeps children immersed in the material and makes them want to keep learning.
The sole purpose of a school is not just to have a place for a kid to stay while their parent is at work, it's there for the reason to educate children, give them the opportunity to become something.
The education system hasn't changed in centuries, and needs to. I believe the iPad has the chance to give kid's a personalized approach to education, and will engage them to not think they're memorizing the material but instead actually LEARNING it. It's also worthy to note that most of these education technology apps, are games which keeps children immersed in the material and makes them want to keep learning.
I am afraid of how these kids will react to material that is not games. Seems to me (I am only 21 ATM), that when I was a kid and I had learned things through games, I hated going back to learning the more traditional way. Now if these kids are exposed over the course of years to "fun." What happens when the fun ends?
I also know 10 years ago, if you asked me to manage my education, I surely would have waited until the last minute to do my work. Now that I am 21 and have the complete ability to comprehend the world, I get my assignments done as soon as possible.
I think allowing kids to make their own schedule between the ages of 4-14 is a major mistake.
The iPad is becoming engrained in so many aspects of our societal infrastructure that displacing it as the dominant tablet anytime soon, seems impossible.
Excellent point! I too believe the iPad will remain #1 but that shouldn't mean the competition should throw in the towel. AAMOF, Apple loves competition.
It makes sense for students to learn at their own pace. Smart children will no longer be held back by dummies in their class, and dummies can progress at their own snails pace. Students of the same age are not equal, and they should not be taught the same curriculum at the same tempo.
When I was a kid, there was an Apple ][ in the classroom, and just look at how well I turned out!
[quote name="cnocbui" url="/t/158336/dutch-steve-jobs-schools-to-use-apples-ipad-for-entire-education-experience#post_2356301"]Perhaps my level of education is sufficient to comprehend the concept and form an opinion of it contrary to yours?[/QUOTE]
Your "opinion" is that it doesn't work. That's patently false.
[QUOTE]My implied lack of education is a theme you visit with some regularity.[/QUOTE]
Is it? I can't remember these things. Actually, come to think of it, the fact that I can't remember the past and STILL (according to you) gravitate toward a similar theme should be pretty telling, huh? Maybe there's a reason your intelligence comes into question a lot.
It's probably at least in part to do with the fact that you're an anti-Apple troll on a pro-Apple website.
Your "opinion" is that it doesn't work. That's patently false.
Is it? I can't remember these things. Actually, come to think of it, the fact that I can't remember the past and STILL (according to you) gravitate toward a similar theme should be pretty telling, huh? Maybe there's a reason your intelligence comes into question a lot.
It's probably at least in part to do with the fact that you're an anti-Apple troll on a pro-Apple website.
OMG....TS can you for once just stick to facts and not get into name calling. If anyone is trolling it is you.. Stick to the facts and debate the issues......leave personality out of it
Interesting debate on these forums around education. At least it hasn't devolved into accusations of fandom. I think we just don't know how iPads could affect K-12 education because a tool like that has never been used this extensively in education. I think the purpose of this program is to get some hard data on that. Our relationship with technology is changing, and I'm not of the mind to assume that change is always bad. I know the manner in which I was educated, and I certainly thought it was adequate, but it was never self directed. The result might be depth of learning at the expense of breadth. I think some kind of balance should be kept by mixing self-directed learning plans with guided learning according to some kind of standard syllabus. That's my two cents.
Maybe he shouldn't have brought it up, then, bucko.
Then again, you've never said anything truthful.
Not quite...but nice try... he replied to the article...then you insulted him Now you are insulting me......Try to just stick to the facts and issues and debate those without calling names and attacking the poster.....try it....... See post #25 You attacked him.....
I have mixed feelings about this whole approach. I have a kindergartener who has been read to since birth, adores books, has a sophisticated vocabulary, but struggles with reading and may have ADHD issues, etc. We work closely with the teacher and a school reading specialist we are lucky to have. We are also using all tools at our disposal, including print books and an ebook subscription (Bookboard.com) for iPad. We watched our daughter have her first experience reading using the iPad (I wrote about that here as a parent blogger. http://bookboard.com/blog/2013/03/reading-for-the-first-time/ But all iPad, all the time, without all the other aspects of the school experience supporting her journey? It feels way out of balance as an approach.
Unless you know a lot more about this than the rest of us I think you may be speaking too early. Maybe the programmer will be very effective. The current educational methods have not changed much for years. Forcing kids to sit in rows in classrooms doing stuff they for the most part intensely dislike always struck me as a very poor way of imparting knowledge.
I think I have an idea of where they are going with this; They go by the assumption that without interference -- kids naturally want to learn. So they monitor what the kid gets into and the teacher STEERS them towards constructive activity or other ways to engage them.
I'd think they'd at least have ONE science class, and one creative (like music or art) -- but it's better to NARROW the focus of education rather than try and add a lot of bells and whistles. In the US we have a lot of books we skim through without gaining any in-depth knowledge. If you really learn how to learn you can apply skills from one thing to another, rather than memorize for a test on some quickly scanned topic and forget about it a week later.
It all depends on actual implementation and how they carry it out. But moving everything to an iPad saves huge money -- you couldn't do it here, because our education system is a captive audience to big book business, and we pay huge fees for new math books every few years when we could have open source educational material created by Universities (as a requirement for PhD degrees in education). Since this is a socialist country, they can pay what they need for results.
It should be an interesting experiment and it will be successful if they can keep the kids inspired. Our schools seem determined to turn learning into a chore for both the students and the teachers.
It makes sense for students to learn at their own pace. Smart children will no longer be held back by dummies in their class, and dummies can progress at their own snails pace. Students of the same age are not equal, and they should not be taught the same curriculum at the same tempo.
When I was a kid, there was an Apple ][ in the classroom, and just look at how well I turned out!
iPads will surely be a benefit to many students.
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Originally Posted by Apple ][
This is a good concept.
It makes sense for students to learn at their own pace. Smart children will no longer be held back by dummies in their class, and dummies can progress at their own snails pace. Students of the same age are not equal, and they should not be taught the same curriculum at the same tempo.
When I was a kid, there was an Apple ][ in the classroom, and just look at how well I turned out!
iPads will surely be a benefit to many students.
It's not really about smart or dummies. Just because a kid bolts ahead at an early age -- well that can help with confidence, but it doesn't really mean they are smarter. Brain development happens in different locations ad different times for of course, different people. Girls get quite ahead of boys in language and general knowledge until they hit puberty. Myself, I was lagging behind and not able to read well at all until I was ten, then I got a special tutor who struggled as I did, learned phonics and was at a college level in about three weeks.
My first elementary school was in New York and it allowed kids to browse different classrooms to cover whatever they wanted to learn -- and they had good success. But I came to a red state and it was 100%; "Shove this in your brain and we test you on how well you can spit it back out." And I suppose I was too bored to focus on it.
So a really intelligent kid can do poorly if class is stupid. Allowing people to have a different pace is better for brain development. However, at some point, they have to be able to focus. So a bit of both approaches can be helpful rather than ONLY our structured schools or their unstructured "learning is fun" schools.
We've used exactly this principle for years on learning the tables 1 through 15. On the beginning of the schoolyear a paper is put up on the wall with the names of every student. For each table you're able to complete correctly you receive a sticker next to your name. The kids are free to choose which table they do and when as long as they finished them all by the end of the year. By the end of the year all students have received all stickers. This works because no kid wants to stay behind. I can't see why this system can't work on other courses as well.
relative performance for a child is the quality of the teacher
Thank you
Not at all. The primary factor affecting student performance is SES. The major in-school factor is the teacher. But that is an "of course" and the reason for this is a no-brainer. The teacher connection to the student is the only cause and effect connection. All other variations, disciplinary, curricular, materials, physical plant, are mediated through the teacher.
Not sure how I feel about this one. On the one hand, current methods seem lacking and it makes sense to try alternatives. On the other hand, children need structure and need to learn some type of discipline. I think the major weaknesses of at least the US education system is basing funding in standardized test scores and taking power away from the teachers more so than rigid classroom structure. I would be interested to see how these kids turn out.
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The education system hasn't changed in centuries, and needs to. I believe the iPad has the chance to give kid's a personalized approach to education, and will engage them to not think they're memorizing the material but instead actually LEARNING it. It's also worthy to note that most of these education technology apps, are games which keeps children immersed in the material and makes them want to keep learning.
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Originally Posted by qhollister
The sole purpose of a school is not just to have a place for a kid to stay while their parent is at work, it's there for the reason to educate children, give them the opportunity to become something.
The education system hasn't changed in centuries, and needs to. I believe the iPad has the chance to give kid's a personalized approach to education, and will engage them to not think they're memorizing the material but instead actually LEARNING it. It's also worthy to note that most of these education technology apps, are games which keeps children immersed in the material and makes them want to keep learning.
I am afraid of how these kids will react to material that is not games. Seems to me (I am only 21 ATM), that when I was a kid and I had learned things through games, I hated going back to learning the more traditional way. Now if these kids are exposed over the course of years to "fun." What happens when the fun ends?
I also know 10 years ago, if you asked me to manage my education, I surely would have waited until the last minute to do my work. Now that I am 21 and have the complete ability to comprehend the world, I get my assignments done as soon as possible.
I think allowing kids to make their own schedule between the ages of 4-14 is a major mistake.
relative performance for a child is the quality of the teacher
Thank you
Your education is certainly lacking if you can't even comprehend the concept of self-paced learning.
Not singularly.
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil
Your education is certainly lacking if you can't even comprehend the concept of self-paced learning.
Perhaps my level of education is sufficient to comprehend the concept and form an opinion of it contrary to yours?
My implied lack of education is a theme you visit with some regularity. Is there something you are trying to say and want to get off your chest?
If you believe in self-paced learning, then you should let him understand the concept at his own pace.
Now there's a rhetorical question
Good point!
Not a good point.
Excellent point! I too believe the iPad will remain #1 but that shouldn't mean the competition should throw in the towel. AAMOF, Apple loves competition.
This is a good concept.
It makes sense for students to learn at their own pace. Smart children will no longer be held back by dummies in their class, and dummies can progress at their own snails pace. Students of the same age are not equal, and they should not be taught the same curriculum at the same tempo.
When I was a kid, there was an Apple ][ in the classroom, and just look at how well I turned out!
iPads will surely be a benefit to many students.
Your "opinion" is that it doesn't work. That's patently false.
[QUOTE]My implied lack of education is a theme you visit with some regularity.[/QUOTE]
Is it? I can't remember these things. Actually, come to think of it, the fact that I can't remember the past and STILL (according to you) gravitate toward a similar theme should be pretty telling, huh? Maybe there's a reason your intelligence comes into question a lot.
It's probably at least in part to do with the fact that you're an anti-Apple troll on a pro-Apple website.
I think we just don't know how iPads could affect K-12 education because a tool like that has never been used this extensively in education. I think the purpose of this program is to get some hard data on that. Our relationship with technology is changing, and I'm not of the mind to assume that change is always bad. I know the manner in which I was educated, and I certainly thought it was adequate, but it was never self directed. The result might be depth of learning at the expense of breadth. I think some kind of balance should be kept by mixing self-directed learning plans with guided learning according to some kind of standard syllabus. That's my two cents.
Maybe he shouldn't have brought it up, then, bucko.
Then again, you've never said anything truthful.
Maybe he shouldn't have brought it up, then, bucko.
Then again, you've never said anything truthful.
Not quite...but nice try... he replied to the article...then you insulted himNow you are insulting me......Try to just stick to the facts and issues and debate those without calling names and attacking the poster.....try it.......
See post #25 You attacked him.....
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Originally Posted by paxman
Unless you know a lot more about this than the rest of us I think you may be speaking too early. Maybe the programmer will be very effective. The current educational methods have not changed much for years. Forcing kids to sit in rows in classrooms doing stuff they for the most part intensely dislike always struck me as a very poor way of imparting knowledge.
I think I have an idea of where they are going with this; They go by the assumption that without interference -- kids naturally want to learn. So they monitor what the kid gets into and the teacher STEERS them towards constructive activity or other ways to engage them.
I'd think they'd at least have ONE science class, and one creative (like music or art) -- but it's better to NARROW the focus of education rather than try and add a lot of bells and whistles. In the US we have a lot of books we skim through without gaining any in-depth knowledge. If you really learn how to learn you can apply skills from one thing to another, rather than memorize for a test on some quickly scanned topic and forget about it a week later.
It all depends on actual implementation and how they carry it out. But moving everything to an iPad saves huge money -- you couldn't do it here, because our education system is a captive audience to big book business, and we pay huge fees for new math books every few years when we could have open source educational material created by Universities (as a requirement for PhD degrees in education). Since this is a socialist country, they can pay what they need for results.
It should be an interesting experiment and it will be successful if they can keep the kids inspired. Our schools seem determined to turn learning into a chore for both the students and the teachers.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Apple ][
This is a good concept.
It makes sense for students to learn at their own pace. Smart children will no longer be held back by dummies in their class, and dummies can progress at their own snails pace. Students of the same age are not equal, and they should not be taught the same curriculum at the same tempo.
When I was a kid, there was an Apple ][ in the classroom, and just look at how well I turned out!
iPads will surely be a benefit to many students.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Apple ][
This is a good concept.
It makes sense for students to learn at their own pace. Smart children will no longer be held back by dummies in their class, and dummies can progress at their own snails pace. Students of the same age are not equal, and they should not be taught the same curriculum at the same tempo.
When I was a kid, there was an Apple ][ in the classroom, and just look at how well I turned out!
iPads will surely be a benefit to many students.
It's not really about smart or dummies. Just because a kid bolts ahead at an early age -- well that can help with confidence, but it doesn't really mean they are smarter. Brain development happens in different locations ad different times for of course, different people. Girls get quite ahead of boys in language and general knowledge until they hit puberty. Myself, I was lagging behind and not able to read well at all until I was ten, then I got a special tutor who struggled as I did, learned phonics and was at a college level in about three weeks.
My first elementary school was in New York and it allowed kids to browse different classrooms to cover whatever they wanted to learn -- and they had good success. But I came to a red state and it was 100%; "Shove this in your brain and we test you on how well you can spit it back out." And I suppose I was too bored to focus on it.
So a really intelligent kid can do poorly if class is stupid. Allowing people to have a different pace is better for brain development. However, at some point, they have to be able to focus. So a bit of both approaches can be helpful rather than ONLY our structured schools or their unstructured "learning is fun" schools.
Not at all. The primary factor affecting student performance is SES. The major in-school factor is the teacher. But that is an "of course" and the reason for this is a no-brainer. The teacher connection to the student is the only cause and effect connection. All other variations, disciplinary, curricular, materials, physical plant, are mediated through the teacher.