This judge was never going to rule in Apple's favor. Not one media outlet thought the DOJ proved their case yet we get a guilty verdict.... What a farse!!!!! Look for it to be appealed and overturned on appeal. We will see how much money Bezos gave to Obama and how many judges that buys you!!!!! Looks like we are going all the way to Supreme Court no matter what!!!
Unlike many posters here, I don't blame the judge, I blame the law.
I don't think Apple did anything wrong, but I'm not terribly surprised that they (were determined) to have violated some aspects of the law. Most people here are applying a standard of "what the law should be" rather than what the laws say. And since we're not lawyers, what do we know.
It's like when we watch the Winter Olympics every four years and deem ourselves experts on the rules of short track speed skating and rhythmic mogul ice dancing or whatnot.
I kinda hope apple moves all IP off shore and screws the gov't out of all and any tax revenue they can. Then when asked why, apple can simply show all the BS lawsuits it has had to pay through the nose for. This gov't we have loves taxes but seems to hate those who actually pay any
I recommend Apple move to Korea or China. Both countries seem to get away with murder without any negative repercussions.
It's the only way the OBAMA administration can be successful against Apple. I'd bet my paycheck the penalties will be the amount Apple would pay in taxes if they brought the $$$ back into the US. Who says the federal government isn't corrupt! The government is using the court system to generate additional revenue from wealthy companies.
Unlike many posters here, I don't blame the judge, I blame the law.
I don't think Apple did anything wrong, but I'm not terribly surprised that they (were determined) to have violated some aspects of the law. Most people here are applying a standard of "what the law should be" rather than what the laws say. And since we're not lawyers, what do we know.
First off, you're right that the law is a bogus law. It's a law written by communists (literally, back when communism was an up and coming thing) to punish people for "competing".
Your presumption that only lawyers can have an opinions is silly. The law is not complicated. In fact, the highest law, the one under which Apple is absolutely innocent, is the constitution. The constitution does not give the federal government the power to persecute Apple in this way. That document was written so that everyone could read it. All laws in violation of it (which anti-trust are) are null and void.
However, given the weakness of the case, the judge is to blame, always. Whenever the law is bad, it is the judge's job to set aside the law and rule in the moral way.
The judge here has committed a profound crime-- has betrayed any oath or claim of fealty to justice.
The only possible service to the people she's done here is to show that government justice is justice denied.
She's shown that the "justice" system has been corrupted into a partisan persecution organization.
She's shown that the US government is nothing more than a bunch of mafia-like thugs.
It's like when we watch the Winter Olympics every four years and deem ourselves experts on the rules of short track speed skating and rhythmic mogul ice dancing or whatnot.
It's the same with Olympic tether ball and synchronized running.
I kinda hope apple moves all IP off shore and screws the gov't out of all and any tax revenue they can. Then when asked why, apple can simply show all the BS lawsuits it has had to pay through the nose for. This gov't we have loves taxes but seems to hate those who actually pay any
where exactly you think they would go? Seeing how the EU also sued them (and Apple settled) they would have been in the same situation - unless they went to what ,China?
Why all the Obama bashing? U.S. District Judge Denise Cote was nominated by Clinton back in '94. Sure Obama is the face of the federal government with Holder as his Attorney General, but it's not as if Obama or Holder strong arm the justices. That would be a serious breach of so many founding principles of this country. Anywho, this decision makes no sense (to the non-lawyer eye) and will undoubtedly be repealed and likely go to the Supreme Court (which has been remarkedly business friendly).
edit: Although I guess you could argue a decision either way would be "business friendly."
I recommend Apple move to Korea or China. Both countries seem to get away with murder without any negative repercussions.
I think it's time for apple to take action. They express political support for some causes like social freedom-- namely gay marriage.
It's time for them to create a PAC, or a dozen PACs and start putting money behind economic freedom as well.
You have to be pretty much self destructive if you're going to be as rich as they are and not spend your money to fight when fascists take over.
Yeah, this "democracy" is a joke, but there's a lot they can do.
Leaving politics to the "professionals" is not going to wok, and increasingly, the government is going to need to steal more and more to try and get out of the hole they're busy digging for themselves.... and unless Apple defends itself, it will be taken down.
Hopefully this experience is a wake up call to Apple management that the government is not a friend to business, or justice, and that it needs to be reformed on a very profound level.
That would be a serious breach of so many founding principles of this country
I suggest you look into some of the things that Holder has done during his time in the job. He has regularly and seriously breched every founding principle of this country, and the very concept of justice.
This is the guy who illegally exported guns to mexico in the hopes they would be used in crimes so that he could use it as a justification for tougher gun laws in america.
And that's just one of his crimes.
Leaning on a judge would be trivial in comparison.
I'm the biggest Apple fanboy there is. I had an Apple II in the 80's and the first Macintosh II. I own stock and every single iThing. When e-books started appearing on Amazon, I bought them to read on the Kindle app on the iPad. Since it was no physical item, the prices were amazing compared to the real book. Then Apple added books to it's online store. Then the Amazon prices went up! I'm just saying.
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Originally Posted by Gerald Thomas
I wish Apple would stop doing this kind of stuff, they make so much money why do they need to cheat. I'm a huge fan, but how much money do you need?
And I wish Apple hating trolls claiming to be fans would just go to... someplace else.
Unlike many posters here, I don't blame the judge, I blame the law.
I don't think Apple did anything wrong, but I'm not terribly surprised that they (were determined) to have violated some aspects of the law. Most people here are applying a standard of "what the law should be" rather than what the laws say. And since we're not lawyers, what do we know.
It's like when we watch the Winter Olympics every four years and deem ourselves experts on the rules of short track speed skating and rhythmic mogul ice dancing or whatnot.
Damn communist government!
If you can't play "Chicago politics" with your "friends", well, what's it all about anyway?
I recommend Apple move to Korea or China. Both countries seem to get away with murder without any negative repercussions.
Wise up, "Gerald".
Cheat? How were they cheating?
The verdict is total bunk. Supreme court, here they come.
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Originally Posted by malax
Unlike many posters here, I don't blame the judge, I blame the law.
I don't think Apple did anything wrong, but I'm not terribly surprised that they (were determined) to have violated some aspects of the law. Most people here are applying a standard of "what the law should be" rather than what the laws say. And since we're not lawyers, what do we know.
First off, you're right that the law is a bogus law. It's a law written by communists (literally, back when communism was an up and coming thing) to punish people for "competing".
Your presumption that only lawyers can have an opinions is silly. The law is not complicated. In fact, the highest law, the one under which Apple is absolutely innocent, is the constitution. The constitution does not give the federal government the power to persecute Apple in this way. That document was written so that everyone could read it. All laws in violation of it (which anti-trust are) are null and void.
However, given the weakness of the case, the judge is to blame, always. Whenever the law is bad, it is the judge's job to set aside the law and rule in the moral way.
The judge here has committed a profound crime-- has betrayed any oath or claim of fealty to justice.
The only possible service to the people she's done here is to show that government justice is justice denied.
She's shown that the "justice" system has been corrupted into a partisan persecution organization.
She's shown that the US government is nothing more than a bunch of mafia-like thugs.
It's the same with Olympic tether ball and synchronized running.
Everyone is an expert.
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Originally Posted by jeff-hackintosh
I kinda hope apple moves all IP off shore and screws the gov't out of all and any tax revenue they can. Then when asked why, apple can simply show all the BS lawsuits it has had to pay through the nose for. This gov't we have loves taxes but seems to hate those who actually pay any
where exactly you think they would go? Seeing how the EU also sued them (and Apple settled) they would have been in the same situation - unless they went to what ,China?
Why all the Obama bashing? U.S. District Judge Denise Cote was nominated by Clinton back in '94. Sure Obama is the face of the federal government with Holder as his Attorney General, but it's not as if Obama or Holder strong arm the justices. That would be a serious breach of so many founding principles of this country. Anywho, this decision makes no sense (to the non-lawyer eye) and will undoubtedly be repealed and likely go to the Supreme Court (which has been remarkedly business friendly).
edit: Although I guess you could argue a decision either way would be "business friendly."
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Originally Posted by SpamSandwich
I recommend Apple move to Korea or China. Both countries seem to get away with murder without any negative repercussions.
I think it's time for apple to take action. They express political support for some causes like social freedom-- namely gay marriage.
It's time for them to create a PAC, or a dozen PACs and start putting money behind economic freedom as well.
You have to be pretty much self destructive if you're going to be as rich as they are and not spend your money to fight when fascists take over.
Yeah, this "democracy" is a joke, but there's a lot they can do.
Leaving politics to the "professionals" is not going to wok, and increasingly, the government is going to need to steal more and more to try and get out of the hole they're busy digging for themselves.... and unless Apple defends itself, it will be taken down.
Hopefully this experience is a wake up call to Apple management that the government is not a friend to business, or justice, and that it needs to be reformed on a very profound level.
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Originally Posted by NoTown
That would be a serious breach of so many founding principles of this country
I suggest you look into some of the things that Holder has done during his time in the job. He has regularly and seriously breched every founding principle of this country, and the very concept of justice.
This is the guy who illegally exported guns to mexico in the hopes they would be used in crimes so that he could use it as a justification for tougher gun laws in america.
And that's just one of his crimes.
Leaning on a judge would be trivial in comparison.
The chances of this legal battle being even remotely over are nil.
The fat lady hasn't even begun to practice her scales yet, let alone sing.
That's why we have juries. Apple should have selected a jury trial.