Before claiming things as fact that aren't. Yep. Glad you agree that you were wrong to say what you did.
FYI, I edited out a substantial rant against you because I realized that you are, as you labeled me, 'not worth it'. The only thing that matters is the company's performance, and that's something we'll be seeing play out in the coming quarters.
That you wasted your time writing it in the first place is only funny, nothing more.
tt92618 - Obviously, quality isn't measured by success in the marketplace, but apple happens to have both right now. if as you say apple doesn't have a monopoly on the market, that doesn't mean apple is doing something wrong. And If you think that success in the marketplace dictates who's best, then just look at how much money each company makes. Apple beats them all hands down by a wide margin. If you step back and look at your own comments, you can see that you're only interest is that Apple fails. Shouldn't you be happy that there are multiple companies out there making other companies better? We all know apple is largely responsible for not only the direction of all mobile technology software and hardware today, but advertising style and boxing, etc. And if you aren't happy with Apple, why bother reading through an Apple website?
If you step back and look at your own comments, you can see that you're only interest is that Apple fails.
On the contrary, my concern is that Apple succeed. That can only be guaranteed to the degree that Apple continues to execute exceptionally, because the company's dominance was built on excellent execution and innovation. Apple has been able to command high margins and they have been able to disrupt markets because they brought immense value into their product design, fabrication, marketing, and pricing. That created lots of room for the company to grow. However, the downside is that they incur more risk from failures in these core areas; Apple's market strategy and position is much more subject to impacts from execution failures because they don't have a position that is built around other factors. So slipping in these areas is more important for them than you have indicated you consider it to be.
One of the things I have always found ironic about the cultish nature of Apple fans is the counter-productive nature the tendency exhibits. You asked why I would read these fora if i'm unhappy with Apple. Well, first, I never said I was unhappy with Apple. I love most of Apple's products and think they are for the most part the best on the market. I own a whole lot of them, and just got done dropping $2300 to get more. But I think it is dangerous to be myopic when it comes to the hyper-competitive and fast-moving markets Apple is in. And I think the cultishly defensive nature of Apple fans works, ultimately, to the detriment of Apple because it does not help the company maintain their edge. The core issue is that many Apple fans will accept and embrace things that are simply poor design choices - and will vociferously defend them - because they are from Apple. That's not optimum for the company because unless someone internal to the company is actively guarding against the lack of criticism from outside, the company can lose sight of their internal bar.
I do not believe that Apple's senior executive team is as harshly critical or evaluative as Steve Jobs was, and I think they ARE losing sight of that performance bar. I don't see evidence in the work they are doing right now to support the idea that they are executing at the level they need to be to maintain their market position. I think IOS7 clearly evidences that, as does much of the company's marketing in recent quarters, as does the lack of anything really innovative in terms of product. And I am concerned by that.
Frankly, I think Apple would benefit more from fans who are willing to stand up and say 'this is crap' rather than sycophantically fawning over anything with an aluminum case and an Apple logo. But what I see here is primarily an atmosphere of unconditional acceptance, without critical thought, that amounts to an endorsement of anything Apple does simply because they did it. That sort of attitude emerges from the emotional investment Apple owners have with the brand, and it is understandable. But that sort of emotionality is really a negative thing with respect to actually promoting success and growth, and it is just not going to help Apple stay sharp.
FYI, I edited out a substantial rant against you because I realized that you are, as you labeled me, 'not worth it'. The only thing that matters is the company's performance, and that's something we'll be seeing play out in the coming quarters.
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil
Before claiming things as fact that aren't. Yep. Glad you agree that you were wrong to say what you did.
That you wasted your time writing it in the first place is only funny, nothing more.
You two sound like you've been married a looooooong time
Again, US Data Only where Apple is the dominating player. Not that i want the truth to be out and published everywhere. I just hope Apple fan boy dont go too smug about it.
On the contrary, my concern is that Apple succeed. [blather, blather]
One of the things I have always found ironic about the cultish nature of Apple fans is the counter-productive nature the tendency exhibits. You asked why I would read these fora if i'm unhappy with Apple. Well, first, I never said I was unhappy with Apple. I love most of Apple's products and think they are for the most part the best on the market. I own a whole lot of them, and just got done dropping $2300 to get more. But I think it is dangerous to be myopic when it comes to the hyper-competitive and fast-moving markets Apple is in. And I think the cultishly defensive nature of Apple fans works, ultimately, to the detriment of Apple because it does not help the company maintain their edge. The core issue is that many Apple fans will accept and embrace things that are simply poor design choices - and will vociferously defend them - because they are from Apple. That's not optimum for the company because unless someone internal to the company is actively guarding against the lack of criticism from outside, the company can lose sight of their internal
Frankly, I think Apple would benefit more from fans who are willing to stand up and say 'this is crap' rather than sycophantically fawning over anything with an aluminum case and an Apple logo. But what I see here is primarily an atmosphere of unconditional acceptance, without critical thought, that amounts to an endorsement of anything Apple does simply because they did it. That sort of attitude emerges from the emotional investment Apple owners have with the brand, and it is understandable.
The brand. The logo. The aluminum case. The cultishly defensive nature of Apple fans..
I don't complain about Apple's design mistakes because I haven'r seen any lately. Ive and company are at the top of their game. Jobs redeemed American design, with Ive's help, and they are getting better and better at it. It has nothing to do with any goddamned cult. Or brand.
The last thing we want to do with artists is dispirit them with criticism, especially artists in technology, because none of us have the slightest clue about the difficulties concerning the five thousand things that have to be squeezed into an iPhone or an iMac. We are all lightweight dilettantes against these heavyweights. Remember how Steve Jobs was depressed over the reception given the iPad? Is that what you want?
Actually I don't care what you want. What do you have to say about the plastic on the back of the Samsung Galaxies? About the name "Galaxies"? Let's hear you say something about obvious bad execution.
I have a growing suspicion that "Android market share" is illusory, reflecting the number of Android phones sold - not retained. Given the cheap construction of so many Android phones, coupled with being unable to get updates for many models, it is natural that adopters would have to keep replacing them. This represents a lot of churn. There are probably more Android phones in landfills than in the hands of actual users.
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Before claiming things as fact that aren't. Yep. Glad you agree that you were wrong to say what you did.
That you wasted your time writing it in the first place is only funny, nothing more.
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil
Before claiming things as fact that aren't. Yep. Glad you agree that you were wrong to say what you did.
I accept your apology. ;-)
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Originally Posted by daveinpublic
If you step back and look at your own comments, you can see that you're only interest is that Apple fails.
On the contrary, my concern is that Apple succeed. That can only be guaranteed to the degree that Apple continues to execute exceptionally, because the company's dominance was built on excellent execution and innovation. Apple has been able to command high margins and they have been able to disrupt markets because they brought immense value into their product design, fabrication, marketing, and pricing. That created lots of room for the company to grow. However, the downside is that they incur more risk from failures in these core areas; Apple's market strategy and position is much more subject to impacts from execution failures because they don't have a position that is built around other factors. So slipping in these areas is more important for them than you have indicated you consider it to be.
One of the things I have always found ironic about the cultish nature of Apple fans is the counter-productive nature the tendency exhibits. You asked why I would read these fora if i'm unhappy with Apple. Well, first, I never said I was unhappy with Apple. I love most of Apple's products and think they are for the most part the best on the market. I own a whole lot of them, and just got done dropping $2300 to get more. But I think it is dangerous to be myopic when it comes to the hyper-competitive and fast-moving markets Apple is in. And I think the cultishly defensive nature of Apple fans works, ultimately, to the detriment of Apple because it does not help the company maintain their edge. The core issue is that many Apple fans will accept and embrace things that are simply poor design choices - and will vociferously defend them - because they are from Apple. That's not optimum for the company because unless someone internal to the company is actively guarding against the lack of criticism from outside, the company can lose sight of their internal bar.
I do not believe that Apple's senior executive team is as harshly critical or evaluative as Steve Jobs was, and I think they ARE losing sight of that performance bar. I don't see evidence in the work they are doing right now to support the idea that they are executing at the level they need to be to maintain their market position. I think IOS7 clearly evidences that, as does much of the company's marketing in recent quarters, as does the lack of anything really innovative in terms of product. And I am concerned by that.
Frankly, I think Apple would benefit more from fans who are willing to stand up and say 'this is crap' rather than sycophantically fawning over anything with an aluminum case and an Apple logo. But what I see here is primarily an atmosphere of unconditional acceptance, without critical thought, that amounts to an endorsement of anything Apple does simply because they did it. That sort of attitude emerges from the emotional investment Apple owners have with the brand, and it is understandable. But that sort of emotionality is really a negative thing with respect to actually promoting success and growth, and it is just not going to help Apple stay sharp.
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Originally Posted by tt92618
FYI, I edited out a substantial rant against you because I realized that you are, as you labeled me, 'not worth it'. The only thing that matters is the company's performance, and that's something we'll be seeing play out in the coming quarters.
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil
Before claiming things as fact that aren't. Yep. Glad you agree that you were wrong to say what you did.
That you wasted your time writing it in the first place is only funny, nothing more.
You two sound like you've been married a looooooong time
The brand. The logo. The aluminum case. The cultishly defensive nature of Apple fans..
I don't complain about Apple's design mistakes because I haven'r seen any lately. Ive and company are at the top of their game. Jobs redeemed American design, with Ive's help, and they are getting better and better at it. It has nothing to do with any goddamned cult. Or brand.
The last thing we want to do with artists is dispirit them with criticism, especially artists in technology, because none of us have the slightest clue about the difficulties concerning the five thousand things that have to be squeezed into an iPhone or an iMac. We are all lightweight dilettantes against these heavyweights. Remember how Steve Jobs was depressed over the reception given the iPad? Is that what you want?
Actually I don't care what you want. What do you have to say about the plastic on the back of the Samsung Galaxies? About the name "Galaxies"? Let's hear you say something about obvious bad execution.
Edit: Took out the ad homs.