Biggest crock ever. Those Apps are useless as they can be easily bypassed/deleted. Only with a device that's locked and can't be rooted would you ever have any chance of getting it back after it's stolen.
Most people don't even know what rooting is nor have ever heard of it. While a few SGS 4s might be forever lost I'd say that the overwhelmingly majority get recovered.
Most people don't even know what rooting is nor have ever heard of it. While a few SGS 4s might be forever lost I'd say that the overwhelmingly majority get recovered.
Incorrect. Most people stealing phones are tech savvy professional criminals who can root any iPhone/Android phone within minutes. Only super hackers on steroids steal phones. /s
Most people don't even know what rooting is nor have ever heard of it. While a few SGS 4s might be forever lost I'd say that the overwhelmingly majority get recovered.
Anyone who steals a phone to resell knows that it needs to be turned off immediately (or battery removed if it has one). Then they sell it to their "fence" who will know what to do with the device to make it saleable to the next person.
The people stealing property (cell phones, electronics, whatever) are just the "scavengers". The people buying are the ones with the know-how. I guarantee you the people buying the phones from these "scavengers" are very familiar with what to do to erase and reset a phone.
There's no such thing as a device that can't be rooted. There are even people putting Android on iPhones.
Please explain to me, then, how you can root a GS4. And no, I'm not talking about the common methods circulating. I want to you find someone who has done it on a GS4 that has KNOX installed.
Please explain to me, then, how you can root a GS4. And no, I'm not talking about the common methods circulating. I want to you find someone who has done it on a GS4 that has KNOX installed.
This thread's about whether devices are useful after theft, not whether a thief can access encrypted partitions on the phone. Knox can be flashed over just like anything else.
Wait until the DA does nothing to increase police presence etc and the thefts keep happening cause they can always be sold for parts. Stolen phones are a great source for Apple displays, batteries. Etc
Wait until the DA does nothing to increase police presence etc and the thefts keep happening cause they can always be sold for parts. Stolen phones are a great source for Apple displays, batteries. Etc
I didn't realize the average iPhone user was savvy enough to fix a broken iPhone using stolen parts.
This thread's about whether devices are useful after theft, not whether a thief can access encrypted partitions on the phone. Knox can be flashed over just like anything else.
Wait until the DA does nothing to increase police presence etc and the thefts keep happening cause they can always be sold for parts. Stolen phones are a great source for Apple displays, batteries. Etc
There's only so many spare parts needed by the repair depots. Once phones can no longer be re-sold there will be a glut of stolen phones, prices will drop and they won't be so lucrative anymore. This will have a significant effect on stolen phones.
For example, there are numerous places that sell iPhone 5 screens and batteries for dirt cheap. This means that used screens/batteries will be worth even less, making a phone stolen for parts far less valuable than one stolen to resell. The logic board itself is useless since it's locked. When you can go to Apple and get a new screen for $149 then the only reason to go to an independent shop is if they can do it for significantly less. I just don't see selling iPhones for parts being nearly as profitable as selling an actual working phone.
I hope people understand, apple had the phone under NDA cause it has a fingerprint reader...no one going to unlock a stolen iPhone again, and I'm sure "find my phone" will have enough battery to send out a GPS lcation.
What would be really runny, if the phone can read the criminals fingerprint or send it to police after stolen, as said reader could be in home button or embedded into the actual screen...
What the thief thinks might work may be more important.
I see you did return to this discussion. I'm still waiting for proof you can take a KNOX GS4 and replace it with new software, thereby bypassing all security on the device and allowing a thief to use it.
QUOTE: "Well the point is that activation is changing. One would think that if Apple were advertising this as a feature, they'd make it basically functional. But without more available information, it's hard to say too much about how it works."
Please remember that it is not a feature that's included in the present IOS - only in the upcoming IOS 7. Having tested it on an iPHONE 4 (enabling the security, then wiping, then trying to set-up as new user) I can confirm IT WORKS.
I was not able to re-set the phone and set-up for a new user without going through the additional motions.
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Most people don't even know what rooting is nor have ever heard of it. While a few SGS 4s might be forever lost I'd say that the overwhelmingly majority get recovered.
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Beats the alternative by quite a bit.
I'll take free over $30 a year, but to each their own.
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Originally Posted by dasanman69
Most people don't even know what rooting is nor have ever heard of it. While a few SGS 4s might be forever lost I'd say that the overwhelmingly majority get recovered.
Incorrect. Most people stealing phones are tech savvy professional criminals who can root any iPhone/Android phone within minutes. Only super hackers on steroids steal phones. /s
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Originally Posted by dasanman69
Most people don't even know what rooting is nor have ever heard of it. While a few SGS 4s might be forever lost I'd say that the overwhelmingly majority get recovered.
Anyone who steals a phone to resell knows that it needs to be turned off immediately (or battery removed if it has one). Then they sell it to their "fence" who will know what to do with the device to make it saleable to the next person.
The people stealing property (cell phones, electronics, whatever) are just the "scavengers". The people buying are the ones with the know-how. I guarantee you the people buying the phones from these "scavengers" are very familiar with what to do to erase and reset a phone.
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Originally Posted by Arlor
There's no such thing as a device that can't be rooted. There are even people putting Android on iPhones.
Please explain to me, then, how you can root a GS4. And no, I'm not talking about the common methods circulating. I want to you find someone who has done it on a GS4 that has KNOX installed.
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Originally Posted by EricTheHalfBee
Please explain to me, then, how you can root a GS4. And no, I'm not talking about the common methods circulating. I want to you find someone who has done it on a GS4 that has KNOX installed.
This thread's about whether devices are useful after theft, not whether a thief can access encrypted partitions on the phone. Knox can be flashed over just like anything else.
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Originally Posted by charlituna
Wait until the DA does nothing to increase police presence etc and the thefts keep happening cause they can always be sold for parts. Stolen phones are a great source for Apple displays, batteries. Etc
I didn't realize the average iPhone user was savvy enough to fix a broken iPhone using stolen parts.
You sat that in jest but there was a case here where a Mercedes owner had his hand chopped off to get around the car's fingerprint recognition lock
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This thread's about whether devices are useful after theft, not whether a thief can access encrypted partitions on the phone. Knox can be flashed over just like anything else.
Where's your proof?
I thought they required the conductivity only living tissue could provide.
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Wait until the DA does nothing to increase police presence etc and the thefts keep happening cause they can always be sold for parts. Stolen phones are a great source for Apple displays, batteries. Etc
There's only so many spare parts needed by the repair depots. Once phones can no longer be re-sold there will be a glut of stolen phones, prices will drop and they won't be so lucrative anymore. This will have a significant effect on stolen phones.
For example, there are numerous places that sell iPhone 5 screens and batteries for dirt cheap. This means that used screens/batteries will be worth even less, making a phone stolen for parts far less valuable than one stolen to resell. The logic board itself is useless since it's locked. When you can go to Apple and get a new screen for $149 then the only reason to go to an independent shop is if they can do it for significantly less. I just don't see selling iPhones for parts being nearly as profitable as selling an actual working phone.
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I thought they required the conductivity only living tissue could provide.
What the thief thinks might work may be more important.
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I thought they required the conductivity only living tissue could provide.
Obviously the thieves weren't too smart.
The good news is that spare parts will now be slightly cheaper on ebay.
What would be really runny, if the phone can read the criminals fingerprint or send it to police after stolen, as said reader could be in home button or embedded into the actual screen...
Checkmate - Apple
There's device recovery included in the price. With find my iphone you're on your own, and lucky if you find a police officer to help you.
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Originally Posted by matrix07
This is exactly why I never listen to all fandroids posting here. if they can't be objective, why give them a credit.
Sounds like you were listening to me. LMAO.
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Originally Posted by Arlor
What the thief thinks might work may be more important.
I see you did return to this discussion. I'm still waiting for proof you can take a KNOX GS4 and replace it with new software, thereby bypassing all security on the device and allowing a thief to use it.
"Well the point is that activation is changing. One would think that if Apple were advertising this as a feature, they'd make it basically functional. But without more available information, it's hard to say too much about how it works."
Please remember that it is not a feature that's included in the present IOS - only in the upcoming IOS 7.
Having tested it on an iPHONE 4 (enabling the security, then wiping, then trying to set-up as new user) I can confirm IT WORKS.
I was not able to re-set the phone and set-up for a new user without going through the additional motions.