SF DA initially pleased in antitheft testing of Apple's iOS 7 Activation Lock, Samsung's LoJack

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  • Reply 21 of 55
    dasanman69dasanman69 Posts: 13,002member
    Biggest crock ever. Those Apps are useless as they can be easily bypassed/deleted. Only with a device that's locked and can't be rooted would you ever have any chance of getting it back after it's stolen.

    Most people don't even know what rooting is nor have ever heard of it. While a few SGS 4s might be forever lost I'd say that the overwhelmingly majority get recovered.
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  • Reply 22 of 55
    droidftwdroidftw Posts: 1,009member

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    Beats the alternative by quite a bit.


     


    I'll take free over $30 a year, but to each their own. 

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  • Reply 23 of 55
    droidftwdroidftw Posts: 1,009member

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    Most people don't even know what rooting is nor have ever heard of it. While a few SGS 4s might be forever lost I'd say that the overwhelmingly majority get recovered.


     


    Incorrect.  Most people stealing phones are tech savvy professional criminals who can root any iPhone/Android phone within minutes.  Only super hackers on steroids steal phones.  /s


     


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  • Reply 24 of 55

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    Most people don't even know what rooting is nor have ever heard of it. While a few SGS 4s might be forever lost I'd say that the overwhelmingly majority get recovered.


     


    Anyone who steals a phone to resell knows that it needs to be turned off immediately (or battery removed if it has one). Then they sell it to their "fence" who will know what to do with the device to make it saleable to the next person.


     


    The people stealing property (cell phones, electronics, whatever) are just the "scavengers". The people buying are the ones with the know-how. I guarantee you the people buying the phones from these "scavengers" are very familiar with what to do to erase and reset a phone.

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  • Reply 25 of 55

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    There's no such thing as a device that can't be rooted. There are even people putting Android on iPhones. 



     


    Please explain to me, then, how you can root a GS4. And no, I'm not talking about the common methods circulating. I want to you find someone who has done it on a GS4 that has KNOX installed.

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  • Reply 26 of 55
    arlorarlor Posts: 533member

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    Please explain to me, then, how you can root a GS4. And no, I'm not talking about the common methods circulating. I want to you find someone who has done it on a GS4 that has KNOX installed.



     


    This thread's about whether devices are useful after theft, not whether a thief can access encrypted partitions on the phone. Knox can be flashed over just like anything else.

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  • Reply 27 of 55
    charlitunacharlituna Posts: 7,217member
    Wait until the DA does nothing to increase police presence etc and the thefts keep happening cause they can always be sold for parts. Stolen phones are a great source for Apple displays, batteries. Etc
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  • Reply 28 of 55

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    Wait until the DA does nothing to increase police presence etc and the thefts keep happening cause they can always be sold for parts. Stolen phones are a great source for Apple displays, batteries. Etc


     


    I didn't realize the average iPhone user was savvy enough to fix a broken iPhone using stolen parts.

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  • Reply 29 of 55
    longfanglongfang Posts: 555member
    arlor wrote: »
    Note to self: kill or kidnap smartphone users rather than simply taking their phones. 

    You sat that in jest but there was a case here where a Mercedes owner had his hand chopped off to get around the car's fingerprint recognition lock
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  • Reply 30 of 55

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    This thread's about whether devices are useful after theft, not whether a thief can access encrypted partitions on the phone. Knox can be flashed over just like anything else.



     


    Where's your proof?

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  • Reply 31 of 55
    tallest skiltallest skil Posts: 43,388member
    longfang wrote: »
    You sat that in jest but there was a case here where a Mercedes owner had his hand chopped off to get around the car's fingerprint recognition lock

    I thought they required the conductivity only living tissue could provide.
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  • Reply 32 of 55

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    Wait until the DA does nothing to increase police presence etc and the thefts keep happening cause they can always be sold for parts. Stolen phones are a great source for Apple displays, batteries. Etc


     


    There's only so many spare parts needed by the repair depots. Once phones can no longer be re-sold there will be a glut of stolen phones, prices will drop and they won't be so lucrative anymore. This will have a significant effect on stolen phones.


     


    For example, there are numerous places that sell iPhone 5 screens and batteries for dirt cheap. This means that used screens/batteries will be worth even less, making a phone stolen for parts far less valuable than one stolen to resell. The logic board itself is useless since it's locked. When you can go to Apple and get a new screen for $149 then the only reason to go to an independent shop is if they can do it for significantly less. I just don't see selling iPhones for parts being nearly as profitable as selling an actual working phone.

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  • Reply 33 of 55
    arlorarlor Posts: 533member

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    I thought they required the conductivity only living tissue could provide.


     


    What the thief thinks might work may be more important.

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  • Reply 34 of 55

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    I thought they required the conductivity only living tissue could provide.


     


    Obviously the thieves weren't too smart.

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  • Reply 35 of 55
    Keep up the lobbying George. I can't quite put my finger print of all this Ha Ha.

    The good news is that spare parts will now be slightly cheaper on ebay.
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  • Reply 36 of 55
    cmav5cmav5 Posts: 5member
    I hope people understand, apple had the phone under NDA cause it has a fingerprint reader...no one going to unlock a stolen iPhone again, and I'm sure "find my phone" will have enough battery to send out a GPS lcation.

    What would be really runny, if the phone can read the criminals fingerprint or send it to police after stolen, as said reader could be in home button or embedded into the actual screen...

    Checkmate - Apple
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  • Reply 37 of 55
    dasanman69dasanman69 Posts: 13,002member
    droidftw wrote: »
    I'll take free over $30 a year, but to each their own. 

    There's device recovery included in the price. With find my iphone you're on your own, and lucky if you find a police officer to help you.
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  • Reply 38 of 55
    damn_its_hotdamn_its_hot Posts: 1,215member

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    This is exactly why I never listen to all fandroids posting here. if they can't be objective, why give them a credit. 




     


    Sounds like you were listening to me. LMAO.

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  • Reply 39 of 55

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    What the thief thinks might work may be more important.



     


    I see you did return to this discussion. I'm still waiting for proof you can take a KNOX GS4 and replace it with new software, thereby bypassing all security on the device and allowing a thief to use it.

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  • Reply 40 of 55
    jpdlvmhjpdlvmh Posts: 72member
    QUOTE:
    "Well the point is that activation is changing. One would think that if Apple were advertising this as a feature, they'd make it basically functional. But without more available information, it's hard to say too much about how it works."

    Please remember that it is not a feature that's included in the present IOS - only in the upcoming IOS 7.
    Having tested it on an iPHONE 4 (enabling the security, then wiping, then trying to set-up as new user) I can confirm IT WORKS.

    I was not able to re-set the phone and set-up for a new user without going through the additional motions.
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