OK, go make a European company whose phones, tablets, computers, and software Europeans want to buy. Then you can tax and regulate the shit out of them to your hearts' content.
Oh, wait, I think I've found the problem.
Ah, the discussion killing argument.
Why don't you say you don't want to discuss it? At least that would've been honest.
The headline is a LITTLE misleading since Apple also sells Apps, accessories, AppleCare contracts and content sales and rentals. so, they don't just sell iOS and OS X hardware.
Not a good quarter at all... It's because it's an off year for contract users and those who had the option to trade in a new phone probably didn't upgrade to the 5.
Where did you get this idea. It is a very good quarter considering that the economy is down significantly with many businesses showing far more severe downturns than Apple and finally people are in waiting mode for Haswell based Macs, new iPads and iPhone's. Considering all of this it is an excellent quarter and Wall Street is responding as such right now.
They could start charging for iOS 7 updates but for a phone worth 300 to make and sell at 680... good luck finding carriers and users.
Why would the need to do that? They beat many sales projections so by all accounts are doing better than the industry as a whole.
I think it's fair to remind everyone the iPad itself hasn't been redesigned for nearly 3 product cycles
Err NO, iPad has been refreshed with every product cycle, sometimes substantially.
-- couple that with a new version plus iOS 7 which I'm running -- personally I'm betting Apple stock is a buy right now -- and that's with nothing new coming out )
The near future look to be very bright for Apple, this I can agree with.
the real news here is that combined iPhone/iPad sales are up YOY from 43 million to 45.8 milion, a 6.5% growth for a "slow" quarter with no new product announcements. but revenue was flat as more buyers opted for the less expensive older iPhone and Mini, with profit down due to those products smaller margains.
that's a decent report, not great. the current quarter will likewise be flat as many wait for the next generation of the iPhone and iPad expected by September. how big a bump those new products will give we will have to wait and see from the holiday quarter results.
given these trends, a lower priced iPhone touch(?) with modest hardware specs (at improved margains) compared to the new iPhone 5S makes good business sense now, and i definitely expect to see it announced in a month or two. so does a new higher priced iPad Mini S(?) with retina screen and other spec bumps (and improved margains).
even tho it would just be a basic iOS ecosystem "extender," i also expect to see the iWatch too, to put some icing on the PR cake and generate new enthusiasm. it'll make a great Xmas gift of course. whether it is really special we'll have to wait and see ...
After hours is so inconsequential it isnt even worth talking about. The real impact will be tomorrow when institutions start reacting to the results and my guess is they wont be thrilled with another dead quarter coming up. Apple is burning through the buyback at a good clip, but whether that was to support the share price or because the future is so bright the low 400s will look cheap remains to be seen. On the other hand people will buy for the dividend coming up in three weeks like the last two quarters and the stock will sell off after the payment.
After hours is so inconsequential it isnt even worth talking about. The real impact will be tomorrow when institutions start reacting to the results and my guess is they wont be thrilled with another dead quarter coming up. Apple is burning through the buyback at a good clip, but whether that was to support the share price or because the future is so bright the low 400s will look cheap remains to be seen. On the other hand people will buy for the dividend coming up in three weeks like the last two quarters and the stock will sell off after the payment.
Right, my guess is the stock will drop at least 5 points when the market opens this morning. You would have to buy a lot of stock to make the dividend really worth anything though. I buy about 100 shares at a time as that's the most my account can handle at the moment, I mostly tie my money up in Euro Bonds and Futures, the last dividend pay out was 3.05 per share. Last month I bought back the stock at 392 after I shorted it for 449 in the beginning of June, it was a crazy month and it was dumb luck that I made that much. I then turned around and bought at 396 and sold yesterday at 423, depending on the open today I think I will probably end up shorting again. Long story short (no pun intended) a profit of 8400 is a lot more then a dividend payout of 300 especially if the investor lost money. I would imagine at over 40,000 to buy 100 stocks their aren't many individual investors who make their money from dividends either, it's still nice though don't get me wrong. Apple hasn't been a really good long term investment this year for me, starting at 550 in January and now at 420 but it's a fantastic day trading stock to nickel and dime. Did anyone in here short Apple in January and haven't bought back yet?
After hours is so inconsequential it isnt even worth talking about. The real impact will be tomorrow when institutions start reacting to the results and my guess is they wont be thrilled with another dead quarter coming up. Apple is burning through the buyback at a good clip, but whether that was to support the share price or because the future is so bright the low 400s will look cheap remains to be seen. On the other hand people will buy for the dividend coming up in three weeks like the last two quarters and the stock will sell off after the payment.
Who know where Apple will end up at the end of today but as of 7.30 EST it's up about 4.5%, when I last checked yesterday evening it was up 3.9%. Last quarter the stock was up after hours until Tim Cook said no new products until the fall/2014. After he said that the stock took a sharp u-turn into negative territory and that's where it stayed the next day. There weren't any surprises on the call, not sure how much things will look different today than they did yesterday,
This is just my opinion, but I really think Apple needs to starting handling the iPad a little differently. The sales are obviously slowing. I don't think the iPhone needs more frequent refreshes but the iPad would certainly benefit if a new one was released every 6 months. I have been waiting for a new iPad for months. Phones have contracts and many people have to wait to upgrade anyway, but tablets do no have those limitations. The only thing stopping me from getting another tablet is I want an iPad, and there are definitely people out there that won't be as loyal.
If Apple isn't going to release a new iPad every 6 months they need to at least step up their advertising game. There is no shortage of tablet commercials on TV and the iPad commercials are the ones I see the least, except around a release.
The only thing stopping me from getting another tablet is I want an iPad, and there are definitely people out there that won't be as loyal.
Everything about sales says otherwise.
If Apple isn't going to release a new iPad every 6 months they need to at least step up their advertising game. There is no shortage of tablet commercials on TV and the iPad commercials are the ones I see the least, except around a release.
Because they don't need to be advertised. What, you'd prefer crap commercials like the ones we do see?
Apple really needs to start suing the people that lie about them. That new Best Buy Samsung Sexperience Store commercial is effing subtle, isn't it? "Ow! Did you just SHOCK me?!" For the tiny percent of MacBook Pro owners who've had that happen to them (through no fault of the computer itself)…
This is just my opinion, but I really think Apple needs to starting handling the iPad a little differently. The sales are obviously slowing. I don't think the iPhone needs more frequent refreshes but the iPad would certainly benefit if a new one was released every 6 months. I have been waiting for a new iPad for months. Phones have contracts and many people have to wait to upgrade anyway, but tablets do no have those limitations. The only thing stopping me from getting another tablet is I want an iPad, and there are definitely people out there that won't be as loyal.
If Apple isn't going to release a new iPad every 6 months they need to at least step up their advertising game. There is no shortage of tablet commercials on TV and the iPad commercials are the ones I see the least, except around a release.
The only thing Apple must do is lower the price and they would completely own the market place. Apple's iPad mini starts off at $329 for 16GB of storage, but according to figures published by AllThingsD, the device has a bill of materials of only $188. The bill of materials only includes the parts, and not assembly costs, but as a rule assembly costs are usually only a few dollars add shipping and let's call it a even 200, 130 markup is ridiculous, I don't care how magical Apple thinks their devices are. It get's even more crazy when you consider Amazon's Kindle Fire HD tablet, which retails for $199, costs $165 to build.
Apple sells the iPad mini in 16GB, 32GB and 64GB models, and charges $100 per storage bump. However, the additional storage costs Apple very little. In fact, the jump between 16GB and 32GB costs about $15, while the bump between 32GB and 64GB costs about $45. They shouldn't even offer a 16GB model anymore and start off with 32GB, then absorb the cost in their huge margins.
Apple really needs to start suing the people that lie about them. That new Best Buy Samsung Experience Store commercial is effing subtle, isn't it? "Ow! Did you just SHOCK me?!" For the tiny percent of MacBook Pro owners who've had that happen to them (through no fault of the computer itself)…
That's supposed to be a MacBook? Really, really subtle if so. I had no idea keyboard shocks were an issue with Macbooks. I doubt most anyone else knows that either.
That's supposed to be a MacBook? Really, really subtle if so. I had no idea keyboard shocks were an issue with Macbooks. I doubt most anyone else knows that either.
EDIT: Doing a quick search the only thing I see is some minor complaint from a MacBook Pro user or two back in 2011. I think you're reading too much into the commercial TS. Keyboard shocks aren't an issue anyone would associate with the MacBook IMHO.
The only thing Apple must do is lower the price and they would completely own the market place. Apple's iPad mini starts off at $329 for 16GB of storage, but according to figures published by AllThingsD, the device has a bill of materials of only $188. The bill of materials only includes the parts, and not assembly costs, but as a rule assembly costs are usually only a few dollars add shipping and let's call it a even 200, 130 markup is ridiculous, I don't care how magical Apple thinks their devices are. It get's even more crazy when you consider Amazon's Kindle Fire HD tablet, which retails for $199, costs $165 to build.
Apple sells the iPad mini in 16GB, 32GB and 64GB models, and charges $100 per storage bump. However, the additional storage costs Apple very little. In fact, the jump between 16GB and 32GB costs about $15, while the bump between 32GB and 64GB costs about $45. They shouldn't even offer a 16GB model anymore and start off with 32GB, then absorb the cost in their huge margins.
Have you not seen the recent numbers? They already own the market.
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So if you're looking for the culprit who "screwed the American people out of billions", look to your very own US Government, not Apple.
Why is this concept so hard for so many people to understand?
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OK, go make a European company whose phones, tablets, computers, and software Europeans want to buy. Then you can tax and regulate the shit out of them to your hearts' content.
Oh, wait, I think I've found the problem.
Ah, the discussion killing argument.
Why don't you say you don't want to discuss it? At least that would've been honest.
According to who?
The near future look to be very bright for Apple, this I can agree with.
the real news here is that combined iPhone/iPad sales are up YOY from 43 million to 45.8 milion, a 6.5% growth for a "slow" quarter with no new product announcements. but revenue was flat as more buyers opted for the less expensive older iPhone and Mini, with profit down due to those products smaller margains.
that's a decent report, not great. the current quarter will likewise be flat as many wait for the next generation of the iPhone and iPad expected by September. how big a bump those new products will give we will have to wait and see from the holiday quarter results.
given these trends, a lower priced iPhone touch(?) with modest hardware specs (at improved margains) compared to the new iPhone 5S makes good business sense now, and i definitely expect to see it announced in a month or two. so does a new higher priced iPad Mini S(?) with retina screen and other spec bumps (and improved margains).
even tho it would just be a basic iOS ecosystem "extender," i also expect to see the iWatch too, to put some icing on the PR cake and generate new enthusiasm. it'll make a great Xmas gift of course. whether it is really special we'll have to wait and see ...
After hours is so inconsequential it isnt even worth talking about. The real impact will be tomorrow when institutions start reacting to the results and my guess is they wont be thrilled with another dead quarter coming up. Apple is burning through the buyback at a good clip, but whether that was to support the share price or because the future is so bright the low 400s will look cheap remains to be seen. On the other hand people will buy for the dividend coming up in three weeks like the last two quarters and the stock will sell off after the payment.
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After hours is so inconsequential it isnt even worth talking about. The real impact will be tomorrow when institutions start reacting to the results and my guess is they wont be thrilled with another dead quarter coming up. Apple is burning through the buyback at a good clip, but whether that was to support the share price or because the future is so bright the low 400s will look cheap remains to be seen. On the other hand people will buy for the dividend coming up in three weeks like the last two quarters and the stock will sell off after the payment.
Right, my guess is the stock will drop at least 5 points when the market opens this morning. You would have to buy a lot of stock to make the dividend really worth anything though. I buy about 100 shares at a time as that's the most my account can handle at the moment, I mostly tie my money up in Euro Bonds and Futures, the last dividend pay out was 3.05 per share. Last month I bought back the stock at 392 after I shorted it for 449 in the beginning of June, it was a crazy month and it was dumb luck that I made that much. I then turned around and bought at 396 and sold yesterday at 423, depending on the open today I think I will probably end up shorting again. Long story short (no pun intended) a profit of 8400 is a lot more then a dividend payout of 300 especially if the investor lost money. I would imagine at over 40,000 to buy 100 stocks their aren't many individual investors who make their money from dividends either, it's still nice though don't get me wrong. Apple hasn't been a really good long term investment this year for me, starting at 550 in January and now at 420 but it's a fantastic day trading stock to nickel and dime.
If you look at the bottom line on the PDF ("Total Apple") the Q3 '13 numbers are basically identical to the Q3 '12 numbers. No growth YoY.
http://images.apple.com/pr/pdf/q3fy13datasum.pdf
If Apple isn't going to release a new iPad every 6 months they need to at least step up their advertising game. There is no shortage of tablet commercials on TV and the iPad commercials are the ones I see the least, except around a release.
Everything about sales says otherwise.
Because they don't need to be advertised. What, you'd prefer crap commercials like the ones we do see?
Apple really needs to start suing the people that lie about them. That new Best Buy Samsung Sexperience Store commercial is effing subtle, isn't it? "Ow! Did you just SHOCK me?!" For the tiny percent of MacBook Pro owners who've had that happen to them (through no fault of the computer itself)…
The only thing Apple must do is lower the price and they would completely own the market place. Apple's iPad mini starts off at $329 for 16GB of storage, but according to figures published by AllThingsD, the device has a bill of materials of only $188. The bill of materials only includes the parts, and not assembly costs, but as a rule assembly costs are usually only a few dollars add shipping and let's call it a even 200, 130 markup is ridiculous, I don't care how magical Apple thinks their devices are. It get's even more crazy when you consider Amazon's Kindle Fire HD tablet, which retails for $199, costs $165 to build.
Apple sells the iPad mini in 16GB, 32GB and 64GB models, and charges $100 per storage bump. However, the additional storage costs Apple very little. In fact, the jump between 16GB and 32GB costs about $15, while the bump between 32GB and 64GB costs about $45. They shouldn't even offer a 16GB model anymore and start off with 32GB, then absorb the cost in their huge margins.
That's supposed to be a MacBook? Really, really subtle if so. I had no idea keyboard shocks were an issue with Macbooks. I doubt most anyone else knows that either.
Don't play this game.
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EDIT: Doing a quick search the only thing I see is some minor complaint from a MacBook Pro user or two back in 2011. I think you're reading too much into the commercial TS. Keyboard shocks aren't an issue anyone would associate with the MacBook IMHO.
Have you not seen the recent numbers? They already own the market.