I haven't seen any glaring mistakes that would convince me Apple will be "quite a different company" under Tim versus Steve. Tim has the balls to make bold decisions much like Steve. He didn't hesitate to overhaul the largest OS in company history when he saw it was getting long-in-the-tooth. That's a move Steve would make, and Tim has been on top of things very closely ever since taking over.
Is Tim perfect? No, but he's made more wise decisions than foolish ones. He definitely is the man for the job rather than Forstall, as some had suggested a few years ago.
2012 was still Steve. This is Tim's year. We'll know by this time next year.
I think Apple will become quite a different company than it was under Steve.
Curious then why no SVP under Cook has left (except for the ones that were fired). If Cook wasn't the right guy you'd think they would be jumping ship. All of them have more money than they'll ever know what to do with. And I'm sure plenty of competitors would hire any one of them in a heartbeat.
Curious then why no SVP under Cook has left (except for the ones that were fired). If Cook wasn't the right guy you'd think they would be jumping ship. All of them have more money than they'll ever know what to do with. And I'm sure plenty of competitors would hire any one of them in a heartbeat.
I see the stock is up almost 6 percent now.
Hmmm... I guess the guy talking about word mapping was correct. A lot of people only want to talk about stock valuation and product volume.
What happened to innovation...
Like I said... I'll wait until I see the "new" products. This is Tim's year.
We have no idea what was/wasn't Steve. Products aren't created in a vacuum. And things can change.
Until now I know what ideas were Steve's... but even if one of the "new" products to be introduced in the next 2 or 3 years was actually Steve's idea, it will still be Tim's implementation of that idea.
....I am really taken aback by the YoY iPad decline.
I really don't understand why people are so worried about this: (i) As was pointed out by Cook yesterday, it's shipments that fell 14%; sales fell by only 3% (since Apple cleared out channel inventory, which is a brilliant strategy, imho); (ii) The same quarter last year saw the iPad 3, a blockbuster new product that had amazing sales while this past quarter had no new product; so the comparison is a bit skewed (iii) The iPad 5 is only a couple of months away, so why would any rational person buy one in the prior quarter when you can get a better one -- probably faster, thinner, lighter, with more memory, for the same price?! All it means is that sales have been shifted by one quarter.
The market clearly does not seem worried about iPads: AAPL is up close to 6% at the time of writing.
Curious then why no SVP under Cook has left (except for the ones that were fired). If Cook wasn't the right guy you'd think they would be jumping ship. All of them have more money than they'll ever know what to do with. And I'm sure plenty of competitors would hire any one of them in a heartbeat.
I see the stock is up almost 6 percent now.
All of the SVPs probably signed non-compete agreements.
I think Apple will become quite a different company than it was under Steve.
Your constant attempts to discredit Mr. Cook are almost as tedious as they are pathetic. Thou doth protest too much. I'm pretty sure I've seen you in MDN bad mouthing Tim on a regular basis. Take a deep breath. (Edit: Regardless of any MDN activity, your comments in this thread alone seem a bit excessive.)
Apple is clearly a different company under Tim Cook, and as far as I can tell, all for the better. Steve set the ship on a course of innovation with a laser focus on making great products, and Tim seems to me to be the perfect captain. The company is now more mature than it was under Steve, making necessary concessions that Steve's stubborn idealistic stances wouldn't permit. The restraint Tim has shown in withholding products that aren't ready seem to be a good sign to me. Yes, having Steve's creativity would be a plus, but Apple still has more of this than any company out there; it's not even close. I'd suggest having a little faith, but if you look at this objectively, you don't need any faith to see that Apple is as strong as ever.
Your constant attempts to discredit Mr. Cook are almost as tedious as they are pathetic. Thou doth protest too much. I'm pretty sure I've seen you in MDN bad mouthing Tim on a regular basis. Take a deep breath.
Apple is clearly a different company under Tim Cook, and as far as I can tell, all for the better. Steve set the ship on a course of innovation with a laser focus on making great products, and Tim seems to me to be the perfect captain. The company is now more mature than it was under Steve, making necessary concessions that Steve's stubborn idealistic stances wouldn't permit. The restraint Tim has shown in withholding products that aren't ready seem to be a good sign to me. Yes, Having Steve's creativity would be a plus, but Apple still has more of this than any company out there, it's not even close. I'd suggest having a little faith, but if you look at this objectively, you don't need any faith to see that Apple is as strong as ever.
... but that just underscores what I've been saying, if Tim is the only answer then he'd better be able to handle the job.
From what you are saying you know what comes next if he can't execute.
No, I don't know what comes next.
I see no significant evidence that Cook can't execute. It's a given that he's imperfect and it's a given that he's not Steve Jobs. But I see no other candidate that's even close to Cook. I see the criticism of Cook as a side-show that doesn't contribute to our understanding of Apple and the industry.
In the military when someone criticizes but has no alternative, they call them "ankle-biters". These people whine that the world (or the campaign or the corporation) is not perfect, but they contribute nothing as far as making the world a better place. These people deserve very little attention.
Well, not everyone. Only the crazy haters are always saying stuff like that. For them Apple is perpetually on the verge of bankruptcy, none of their products sell well, etc. You know, the usual talking points by that crowd (see recent comments by Constable Odo) for example.
That article is the most ridiculous thing I've ever read. The opening paragraph should've started with the words "According to non-sensical research done by an uninformed troll..."
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Originally Posted by blackbook
Tim has done well so far.
I haven't seen any glaring mistakes that would convince me Apple will be "quite a different company" under Tim versus Steve. Tim has the balls to make bold decisions much like Steve. He didn't hesitate to overhaul the largest OS in company history when he saw it was getting long-in-the-tooth. That's a move Steve would make, and Tim has been on top of things very closely ever since taking over.
Is Tim perfect? No, but he's made more wise decisions than foolish ones. He definitely is the man for the job rather than Forstall, as some had suggested a few years ago.
2012 was still Steve. This is Tim's year. We'll know by this time next year.
I see the stock is up almost 6 percent now.
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Originally Posted by Rogifan
Curious then why no SVP under Cook has left (except for the ones that were fired). If Cook wasn't the right guy you'd think they would be jumping ship. All of them have more money than they'll ever know what to do with. And I'm sure plenty of competitors would hire any one of them in a heartbeat.
I see the stock is up almost 6 percent now.
Hmmm... I guess the guy talking about word mapping was correct. A lot of people only want to talk about stock valuation and product volume.
What happened to innovation...
Like I said... I'll wait until I see the "new" products. This is Tim's year.
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Originally Posted by Rogifan
We have no idea what was/wasn't Steve. Products aren't created in a vacuum. And things can change.
Until now I know what ideas were Steve's... but even if one of the "new" products to be introduced in the next 2 or 3 years was actually Steve's idea, it will still be Tim's implementation of that idea.
Exactly... things can change.
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Originally Posted by island hermit
... I think Apple will become quite a different company than it was under Steve.
It already is IMO.
YOU have no idea what they are creating right now!!!!!!!!
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Originally Posted by island hermit
We'll see when the "new" products come out.
I'm still not sold on Cook.
I think Apple will become quite a different company than it was under Steve.
Who do you recommend? Give us at least one name of who would be a better CEO than Tim Cook.
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Originally Posted by ascii
....I am really taken aback by the YoY iPad decline.
I really don't understand why people are so worried about this: (i) As was pointed out by Cook yesterday, it's shipments that fell 14%; sales fell by only 3% (since Apple cleared out channel inventory, which is a brilliant strategy, imho); (ii) The same quarter last year saw the iPad 3, a blockbuster new product that had amazing sales while this past quarter had no new product; so the comparison is a bit skewed (iii) The iPad 5 is only a couple of months away, so why would any rational person buy one in the prior quarter when you can get a better one -- probably faster, thinner, lighter, with more memory, for the same price?! All it means is that sales have been shifted by one quarter.
The market clearly does not seem worried about iPads: AAPL is up close to 6% at the time of writing.
Agreed.
If Apple is doing markedly worse in a year I'll agree with you that Tim has to go.
All of the SVPs probably signed non-compete agreements.
Your constant attempts to discredit Mr. Cook are almost as tedious as they are pathetic. Thou doth protest too much. I'm pretty sure I've seen you in MDN bad mouthing Tim on a regular basis. Take a deep breath. (Edit: Regardless of any MDN activity, your comments in this thread alone seem a bit excessive.)
Apple is clearly a different company under Tim Cook, and as far as I can tell, all for the better. Steve set the ship on a course of innovation with a laser focus on making great products, and Tim seems to me to be the perfect captain. The company is now more mature than it was under Steve, making necessary concessions that Steve's stubborn idealistic stances wouldn't permit. The restraint Tim has shown in withholding products that aren't ready seem to be a good sign to me. Yes, having Steve's creativity would be a plus, but Apple still has more of this than any company out there; it's not even close. I'd suggest having a little faith, but if you look at this objectively, you don't need any faith to see that Apple is as strong as ever.
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Who do you recommend? Give us at least one name of who would be a better CEO than Tim Cook.
Well, that's the problem, isn't it.
... but that just underscores what I've been saying, if Tim is the only answer then he'd better be able to handle the job.
From what you are saying you know what comes next if he can't execute.
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Originally Posted by PatchyThePirate
Your constant attempts to discredit Mr. Cook are almost as tedious as they are pathetic. Thou doth protest too much. I'm pretty sure I've seen you in MDN bad mouthing Tim on a regular basis. Take a deep breath.
Apple is clearly a different company under Tim Cook, and as far as I can tell, all for the better. Steve set the ship on a course of innovation with a laser focus on making great products, and Tim seems to me to be the perfect captain. The company is now more mature than it was under Steve, making necessary concessions that Steve's stubborn idealistic stances wouldn't permit. The restraint Tim has shown in withholding products that aren't ready seem to be a good sign to me. Yes, Having Steve's creativity would be a plus, but Apple still has more of this than any company out there, it's not even close. I'd suggest having a little faith, but if you look at this objectively, you don't need any faith to see that Apple is as strong as ever.
Attempts to discredit Cook?
On MDN?
Take a hike.
The rest is just blather.
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The market clearly does not seem worried about iPads: AAPL is up close to 6% at the time of writing.
It's a tad disconcerting when I read so much hate of Wall Street when AAPL goes down, but so much faith in Wall Street when AAPL goes up.
That's my general feeling... I'm not sure of your specific sentiment.
Well it's not any more "blather" than:
"I'm not sold on Tim Cook.. we'll have to wait and see.. he'd better be able to handle the job.. you know what comes next if he can't execute..."
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Originally Posted by island hermit
Well, that's the problem, isn't it.
... but that just underscores what I've been saying, if Tim is the only answer then he'd better be able to handle the job.
From what you are saying you know what comes next if he can't execute.
No, I don't know what comes next.
I see no significant evidence that Cook can't execute. It's a given that he's imperfect and it's a given that he's not Steve Jobs. But I see no other candidate that's even close to Cook. I see the criticism of Cook as a side-show that doesn't contribute to our understanding of Apple and the industry.
In the military when someone criticizes but has no alternative, they call them "ankle-biters". These people whine that the world (or the campaign or the corporation) is not perfect, but they contribute nothing as far as making the world a better place. These people deserve very little attention.
Let them. They are of no consequence.
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You mean like this?
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-505125_162-57594484/why-apple-is-a-dead-company-walking/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+CBSNewsPCAnswer+(PC+Answer%3A+CBSNews.com)
That article is the most ridiculous thing I've ever read. The opening paragraph should've started with the words "According to non-sensical research done by an uninformed troll..."
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Originally Posted by island hermit
It's a tad disconcerting when I read so much hate of Wall Street when AAPL goes down, but so much faith in Wall Street when AAPL goes up.
That's my general feeling... I'm not sure of your specific sentiment.
That is not my sentiment.