Apple's request to conduct 3D mapping of Oslo denied by Norwegian government

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  • Reply 21 of 49
    MacPromacpro Posts: 19,873member
    john.b wrote: »
    Nope.  Check for yourself, Google has Street View for basically the entire city.

    I guess the Norwegians feel Apple's Fly Over would be far more accurate then.

    Seriously though, this is typical knee jerk reaction. I am pretty sure anyone wanting to set off a device in any city isn't going to call it off because they can't use their iPhone to select the spot to place it. The same logic would have refused map makers permission to map it in 2D back in the day.

    Some one, who I won't name, with the brains of a donkey, suggested on this blog allowing Apple to use lower resolution. Yeah, great idea, they could print fuzzy out of focus 2D maps while they are at it. Then they'd be really safe!
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  • Reply 22 of 49
    MacPromacpro Posts: 19,873member
    ireland wrote: »
    Everyone's gone paranoid.

    paxman wrote: »
    Certainly looks like the war on terror is a lost battle.

    Yep, this sort of thing just hands them a victory. BTW ... Please can we return to saying 'terrorism', it became 'terror' the same time 'nuclear' became 'nucular' and for the same reason.
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  • Reply 23 of 49
    dasanman69 wrote: »
    Or hire Japanese pornographers, they're pros at pixelating the good stuff.
    Uh...citation?
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  • Reply 24 of 49
    dasanman69dasanman69 Posts: 13,002member
    Uh...citation?

    Too many to list :lol:
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  • Reply 25 of 49
    analogjackanalogjack Posts: 1,073member


    The truth is that Norway probably didn't want it revealed that they didn't actually have any top secret sensitive and very important high security areas.


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  • Reply 26 of 49
    dasanman69dasanman69 Posts: 13,002member
    analogjack wrote: »
    The truth is that Norway probably didn't want it revealed that they didn't actually have any top secret sensitive and very important high security areas.

    Isn't Norway perpetually snow covered or close to it?
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  • Reply 27 of 49
    slurpyslurpy Posts: 5,398member
    Yet streetview was allowed, which gets much more intimate footage? Ridiculous.
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  • Reply 28 of 49
    pendergastpendergast Posts: 1,358member
    slurpy wrote: »
    Yet streetview was allowed, which gets much more intimate footage? Ridiculous.

    You think Google asked for permission?
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  • Reply 29 of 49
    dasanman69dasanman69 Posts: 13,002member
    pendergast wrote: »
    You think Google asked for permission?

    Why would they need permission to photograph anything you and I could see driving down a street in Oslo? Anything that the general public can see is public domain.
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  • Reply 30 of 49
    No, street view is supported, but google doesn't have to get approval for the flyover. They just drive down public streets.
    Street view seems to get more in it than flyover however it is still data problems
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  • Reply 31 of 49
    kdarling wrote: »
    <span style="line-height:1.231;">The trouble is, blocking out sensitive locations would let everyone know where they are  :)</span>


    One possible compromise might be to agree on a much lower resolution.

    If it is hiding in plain sight (say, a sensitive location that is disguised as a nondescript feature), then it is already hidden and there's no need to call attention to it. OTOH, if it is a known sensitive location, then pixelating it acknowledges that it is sensitive, but does not give away its secrets. I don't see a problem either way.
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  • Reply 32 of 49
    Woo! Missed being post #31 this time.
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  • Reply 33 of 49
    rcfarcfa Posts: 1,124member
    What Apple pixelates is irrelevant since the NSA/CIA can grab the unedited data from Apple. Of course they probably already flew their spy planes all over that city without first asking.
    Besides, what they are saying: look for pixelated stuff, and then you know where the important targets are? Nice giveaway. If they left things detailed it would be like trying to find a needle in a haystack, now it's like finding fluorescent flags in a haystack...
    A little fractal analysis on the image data and all sensitive locations can be auto-highlited.
    Don't think suicide bombers are interested in building details all that much...
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  • Reply 34 of 49
    dalledalle Posts: 21member
    Wasn't Oslo one of the original showcases for the C3 rendering technology?
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  • Reply 35 of 49
    philboogiephilboogie Posts: 7,675member
    dalle wrote: »
    Wasn't Oslo one of the original showcases for the C3 rendering technology?

    Bingo. And that part is covered by the same article topic over at 9to5
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  • Reply 36 of 49
    philboogiephilboogie Posts: 7,675member

    No, street view is supported, but google doesn't have to get approval for the flyover. They just drive down public streets.

    Only as long as the camera is as high as a person is tall. In Germany there is only Street View in the large cities, the rest of the country doesn't have SV:

    http://techland.time.com/2011/04/11/alas-there-will-be-no-more-google-street-view-in-germany/
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  • Reply 37 of 49
    philboogiephilboogie Posts: 7,675member
    gtr wrote: »
    You can't be Norwegian without the letters NO...

    Nor should you be able to ¡
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  • Reply 38 of 49
    richlrichl Posts: 2,213member
    dasanman69 wrote: »
    Isn't Norway perpetually snow covered or close to it?

    Norway is a big country (Oslo is nearer to Rome than it is to the most northernly tip of the mainland). There's parts where snow hardly ever settles and there's parts where there's almost always snow on the ground.
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  • Reply 39 of 49
    I guess that Stockholm, Paris, Madrid, Rome, Berlin, Copenhagen, San Francisco, Boston, Los Angeles, New York City (including WTC site), Silicon Valley (NASA Ames), Pasadena (Cal Tech), La Canada (JPL) et al -- are not concerned about terrorism -- or have resolved the issues.

    It seems odd that one can take a 3D Flyover tour of the Eiffel Tower -- but not the Washington Monument... Or the London House Of Parliament and Downing Street -- but not US Senate/House and the White House...

    It appears that some governments are more concerned with their own safety than that of their constituents.
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  • Reply 40 of 49
    apple ][apple ][ Posts: 9,233member
    I've been to Oslo before. It's one of my least favorite cities. It's poorly laid out, hard to find your way around and extremely expensive, though it reminds me of a third world city, with many third world people wandering around and plenty of beggars. Having said that, the rest of Norway is nice, with the fjords and all, I just stay away from Oslo.

    As for them denying Apple 3D maps, it'll end up being their loss.

    They're also hypocrites, because I know that many of them were in support of Snowden leaking US secrets, but I guess when it comes to their own secrets, then their tune suddenly changes.

    Since that one guy (ABB), went around and shot up a whole bunch of them, they have become extremely paranoid.
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