When's 8.1 supposed to come out, again?
woodbine wrote: »
Elop on the way up maybe......?
soloman wrote: »
Ok, so what will work?
tallest skil wrote: »
When's 8.1 supposed to come out, again? <img alt="1tongue.gif" id="user_yui_3_10_0_1_1377310341339_1320" src="http://forums-files.appleinsider.com/images/smilies/1tongue.gif" style="line-height:1.231;" name="user_yui_3_10_0_1_1377310341339_1320">
Don't anyone fool yourselves here. It peaked at win 95. Even Bill G. said so.
ascii wrote: »
still work full time and there's no realistic alternative to MS Office in the workplace. Universities are different - I did a masters (part time) a few years ago and everyone just used whatever office suite they wanted and the academics didn't care. Perhaps Apple could make inroads there, if enough people share your evaluation (and not mine) of the product.
gazoobee wrote: »
philboogie wrote: »
I think those are great ads but they're really ads for a camera.
If Apple can make a better camera for the iPhone (and you know they are working on it), then all of a sudden Nokia has nothing.
philboogie wrote: »
mhikl wrote: »
The Muse Does Call Upon These Times
Interesting is the story then
To tell if the reign of error do end.
So Steve, to a retirement home,
And there to chew upon a bone.
MS when he bids adieu,
Fifty-fifty say renew.
But many doubts some shall have,
That Stevie's lips might rest, at last.
dick applebaum wrote: »
AFAICT, Only a few features are absent from the iCloud Beta and the iDevice apps... Things like Bezier Curves, Categories/Pivot Tables... I don't believe most people use these...
rogifan wrote: »
What are you talking about? Microsoft is the 3rd or 4th most valuable company in the world. They basically own the enterprise. Microsoft is FAR from being run in to the ground.
nikilok wrote: »
That is not true, iWorks can go mainstream in corporations were iPads are in big numbers.
rayz wrote: »
Stop trying to copy Apple's strategy and instead copy Apple's philosophy: Don't be afraid to burn everything you've built in exchange for a better future.
Microsoft is where it is today because they couldn't bring themselves to look beyond Windows. If they had stuck with the Courier concept then I'm pretty sure that the iPad would never have cornered the market.
Tech companies goes through the same life cycle: a shot at changing the world, huge profits, a series of hubris-charged management blunders and then a quiet, comfortable retirement milking existing products or selling services and consultancy.
The only companies that escape this fate are the ones with the courage to remake themselves.
All this talk about becoming a devices and services company is all very well, but what they really mean is that they want to become a Windows device and services company. They are already limiting themselves in order to hang on to a legacy.
nikon133 wrote: »
What people here refuse to accept s quite simple; Microsoft cannot go down. Not today, not in the next 10 years. And since no one seems to be able and/or willing to invest money and effort to build alternative ecosystem, you can just as well add couple of more decades to that. If Microsoft would really be on their way to oblivion, US and pretty much every other developed country would jump in with billions of dollars and ask if they can give more.
And the reason is really simple. Regardless of what people think of MS's consumer products, they are one of pillars of enterprise world, with large corporations and governments being their most loyal customers. In some occasion, replacing their products on that level - servers, services and applications - at worst would not be possible with existing alternatives, at best would be possible but not worth it - keeping MS afloat would be easier, regardless of price.
It is different in consumer segment, and I actually think MS should receive some good drubbing in years to come. Less dominant they find themselves in consumer desktop/laptop markets, more competitive they will be, and more willing to listen to customers.
But regardless, their future is quite safe. They are not trying to enter new (for them) markets because it is make-it-or-break-it for them, but because they basically have nowhere to grow in enterprise, and hardly anywhere in home segments. Even if apple would decide to retreat from PC market completely, what would Microsoft get? Extra 5% worldwide? Hardly front page worth material. Thus they are pushing into segments they have low presence. But opposite to Blackberries and Nokias of the world, it is not their last chance to survive. Maybe it is last chance to become relevant in those markets (though I'm doubtful about that as well), but even if they completely flop, their survival is pretty much given. And in a few years, something new will emerge and race will start again.
It is pity no one can really challenge MS on corporate level, and it is not so because no one can come out with good product for that market, but because of legacy nature of that segment. This, I cannot see to change any time soon.
nikon133 wrote: »
It can't. Every medium to large business already have gigabytes if not terabytes of existing documents, and many will send and receive documents to their partners, customers, associates, contractors. In corporate space, it is all about compatibility and legacy support.
Undeniably there are other scenarios, but most our customers who are using iPads are using them for non-document tasks - emails, calendar, other means of communication (Lync etc.). Some PDF viewing at best. Anything document-intensive is still locked to desktops and laptops. You should be able to RDS to terminal server and run document-editing application from there (depending on security rules for each site), but you still need Office on terminal server, and you still need to have enough Office licenses to cover for all users or devices.
Volume licensing is Microsoft's bread & butter for a reason.
jragosta wrote: »
None of that disproves the statement that iWorks can catch on based on the success of the iPad.
While there are exceptions, iPads are generally used for content consumption more than content creation. And iWorks will read most of those gigabytes or terabytes of files you're talking about. More importantly, the vast majority of those files are not something that would likely be accessed remotely, anyway. If you're at a level in the organization (CFO, perhaps) where you need access to all that data, you're probably not going to be using an iPad for your remote access. iPads will generally be used by sales people, service people, support people, and so on - and they need a much more limited set of those documents. Since iWorks can read Word and Excel and PowerPoint documents, that will be more than sufficient for most people.
Of course, one could argue that if you're simply using iWorks to read and write in Office format that it doesn't have a major impact on the MS Office monopoly, but that's a different argument.
"What people" would that be?
I read through this entire thing and I didn't see anyone refusing to accept that Microsoft cannot go down (for lack of a better term).
I give the board much more credit than that.
Microsoft will be around for a long time. Without a proper mobile strategy, though, in 10 years they will be 2/3 of what they are today and 1/2 in 20 years... maybe less.
Personally, I think Microsoft will become a company like IBM. A large company that is a shadow of its former self* but still relevant in the corporate world because of its services.
[ ... but Ballmer doesn't want Microsoft to be IBM... or Apple ] http://news.cnet.com/8301-10805_3-57599909-75/ballmer-microsoft-doesnt-want-to-be-ibm-or-apple/
* addendum - IBM is actually doing quite well... not a shadow of its former self at all. Maybe they will buy Microsoft in 10 years.
island hermit wrote: »
Personally, I think Microsoft will become a company like IBM. A large company that is a shadow of its former self but still relevant in the corporate world because of its services.