Online Apple Store out of refurbished Apple TVs, hints at possible refresh

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  • Reply 21 of 34

    It's on a wire already.I

  • Reply 22 of 34
    Stnuik. I believe the responder was referring to an 'Ethernet' wire
  • Reply 23 of 34
    chris_ca wrote: »
    <div class="quote-container"><span>Quote:</span><div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>msuberly</strong> <a href="/t/159374/online-apple-store-out-of-refurbished-apple-tvs-hints-at-possible-refresh#post_2390640"><img src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" class="inlineimg" alt="View Post"/></a><br/><br/>"Security" is nonexistent. Too many people along the supply chain opens up opportunities to pay someone for information.<br />
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    I don't understand how a shipping label stating "set top box "with a communication function is indicative of anything. That is an accurate description of the current Apple TV.</div></div><p> </p>
    Siri...

    ...or something mundane, like wifi or hdmi.
  • Reply 24 of 34
    razorpitrazorpit Posts: 1,796member
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by stniuk View Post

     

     

    Most 1080 movies downloaded of the internet come in at 8gb or more, some 20gb or more.


     

    Ouch, I guess that means 4K is going to be a long ways away until some awesome compression technology becomes available.  Which by the way I heard not too long ago that Apple acquired a company that specializes in video compression.

  • Reply 25 of 34
    gatorguygatorguy Posts: 24,391member
    razorpit wrote: »
    Ouch, I guess that means 4K is going to be a long ways away until some awesome compression technology becomes available.  Which by the way I heard not too long ago that Apple acquired a company that specializes in video compression.

    Algotrim, the company you're referring, looks to have been more active in compression/decompression of static images (and firmware upgrades) more so than video. Doesn't mean of course that they didn't also have some expertise in video compression too. Strangely their website is still up and still touting Android software products which is somewhat unusual for an Apple-absorbed company isn't it?
  • Reply 26 of 34
    razorpitrazorpit Posts: 1,796member

    It is, I thought they usually take the sites down.  Hmm, I wonder what they have in their skunk works to be that attractive to Apple.  Whatever it is I hope they bought them because they worked on some breakthrough process together and they are protecting their intellectual investment.

  • Reply 27 of 34

    Off topic (the compression thing just got me to thinking about it, don't ask me why...), but if Apple can make delta upgrades possible to the OS, why can't App makers do the same thing? Each time I get a Real Racing 3 update, it is 1 GB, even for a few bug fixes. Lots of games are 1 to 2 GB.

     

    I'm not a programmer, but have often wondered why not? Since Apple dishes out tons of Apps and upgrades to those Apps, wouldn't delta updates on those Apps help a ton with bandwidth and data cap restraints? And if the Apple TV gets Apps, wouldn't this make it even more important to get delta updates?

     

    Anyone familiar with how difficult this would be for App programmers to do?

     

    Thx.

     

    Back to your regularly scheduled rumouring... ;-)

  • Reply 28 of 34
    razorpitrazorpit Posts: 1,796member
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by GregoriusM View Post

     

    Off topic (the compression thing just got me to thinking about it, don't ask me why...), but if Apple can make delta upgrades possible to the OS, why can't App makers do the same thing? Each time I get a Real Racing 3 update, it is 1 GB, even for a few bug fixes. Lots of games are 1 to 2 GB.

     

    I'm not a programmer, but have often wondered why not? Since Apple dishes out tons of Apps and upgrades to those Apps, wouldn't delta updates on those Apps help a ton with bandwidth and data cap restraints? And if the Apple TV gets Apps, wouldn't this make it even more important to get delta updates?

     

    Anyone familiar with how difficult this would be for App programmers to do?

     

    Thx.

     

    Back to your regularly scheduled rumouring... ;-)


     

    I'll take a stab at your question.  When a .1 update is issued to an OS there are multiple modules which are updated.  Don't think of an OS as one big piece of software, it's actually thousands (hundreds of thousands?) of much smaller binary files.  The OS knows how to talk to each of these smaller files and unless there is either a new module or something added to an existing one the messages that are passed back and forth don't necessarily change.  In an iOS app a large binary is created which holds everything that app needs to exist on an iOS device.  DRM and copy protection play a part in that, also it's much easier on the developers to give everything that is needed all at once than to hope each module is updated properly with a patch.  As iOS apps grow that may change, but I don't see that happening for a long time.  Remember you have people yelling for 4K video, a .5 - 1GB download is nothing in comparison.

     

    Obviously I'm simplifying things here and I'm sure some one will correct me, but that's the general idea.

  • Reply 29 of 34
    retiarius wrote: »
    Both 4K / UltraHD and H.265 hardware decode-ready, presumably, via a Broadcom
    BCM7445 chip or the like. Not mentioned at AppleInsider in a while; be sure to look
    for such in the teardown. Of course the wireless bandwidth for 4K even with H.265
    remains out-of-reach for most, but H.265 for pre-existing 1080p would be sweet for content hogs and existing pipes.

    If they do something like that they need to seriously bump the storage. Which would also be good for loading rentals, auto loading season pass stuff etc.
  • Reply 30 of 34
    gregoriusm wrote: »
    Off topic (the compression thing just got me to thinking about it, don't ask me why...), but if Apple can make delta upgrades possible to the OS, why can't App makers do the same thing?

    Bringing it back a little to on topic, I think this is why the Apple TV needs an App Store. Easier to update those third party offers, users can pick what they want only etc.
  • Reply 31 of 34

    Um, the iOS 7 SDK adds support for bluetooth game controllers. Is it possible that a new AppleTV will play games?

  • Reply 32 of 34
    Originally Posted by sennen View Post

    Not with H.264.


     

    Probably why I was talking about H.265, then.

     

    Originally Posted by Suddenly Newton View Post

    Every time an Apple NDA is violated, Tim Cook will murder another kitten.

     

    Will steal another french fry.

     

    Originally Posted by smaffei View Post

    Um, the iOS 7 SDK adds support for bluetooth game controllers. Is it possible that a new AppleTV will play games?

     

    Via AirPlay with an iOS device attached.

  • Reply 33 of 34

    No. Gaming not requiring an iOS device other than the AppleTV (and a bluetooth controller).

  • Reply 34 of 34
    Originally Posted by smaffei View Post

    No. Gaming not requiring an iOS device other than the AppleTV (and a bluetooth controller).

     

    And I'm saying that's not likely.

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