Well yeah a stable solid OS release is always welcomed.
I have edit suites and pre-flight stations that still run Snow Leopard because they are still more stable with the core apps my people use because – as a system – they are more stable than the newer OSs. Not for everything, and I run Mountain lion on my individual station – but most editors won't run a new OS unless something breaks or a new system is purchased. That's why I mentioned it in the same breath as the new Mac Pro. For a lot of editors and power users, they have been waiting for this machine while sitll on old machines and will not be updating them again after they have them stable. Yes, obviously, a stable release is "always welcomed" (thanks for that brilliant addition), but these power users are not going to be as patient as the rest of us – waiting for updates to justify the purchase request. They WILL bounce if the choice is between old slow mac hardware; new, unstable/poorly tested mac system; or a different system altogether. Some editors have been leaving FCP and just happen to still be on a mac. If they can't trust the OS on the new, flashy hardware – they either won't buy or will buy else ware. Nether is a good scenario for Apple.
Quote:
Originally Posted by wizard69
This however is assinine. It may be a radical departure but that won't be due to combining OSes any more than they already are. You do realize that Mac OS and iOS are, underneath the GUI, the same operating systems as it is today? For example adding iBooks to the Mac OS distribution has nothing to do with combining the operating systems, it is simply supporting an app on both platforms. This is no different than adding a notes app to Mac OS. This isn't combining anything it is rather expanding capability.
I don't think we are both seeing the same depth of changes. You seem to be just looking at services or apps. Tip of the Ice burg, as they say. I think that the changes will be a lot bigger than that. I see a full interface adjustment. I see tighter implementation gestures and a re-thinking of how we interact with the machine as a whole. I'm not talking about the core, I'm talking about everything above it. I think Johnny Ive is going to make a bigger change from a user interaction perspective from X to XI than from 9 to X. You are thinking way too small in this aspect. This will be more than what we have gotten used to from a 10.x update – and it will be all instigated by what they have learned from iOS (specifically 7). I'm not talking about merging services... I'm talking about fundamentally changing the way the Mac Desktop works and behaves in the era of Mobile computing. If you can't see that (and how it effects power-user workflow), then I can't help you.
Bringing it back to my original point – Mission critical hard core users will not be jumping to Mac OS XI when it comes out so it truly is imperative that 10.9 be solid and less flashy as those mission critical hard core users will stick on that for a few years before they join the rest of us on XI. Or should I say, IF they join us and they don't regret having to upgrade to Mavericks just because of the Mac Pro.
As long as the extra time means extra attention to quality control. I want it to be like 10.2 or 10.3, work out of the box without lots of stupid glitches. A launch like 10.5, 10.7 or even 10.8 would be very unfortunate.
As long as the extra time means extra attention to quality control. I want it to be like 10.2 or 10.3, work out of the box without lots of stupid glitches. A launch like 10.5, 10.7 or even 10.8 would be very unfortunate.
None of those had inordinate glitches or bad launches.
I get what the article is saying, but not WHY. Are we in a hurry? Is there some rush?
In a culture that measures a company's success quarter by quarter rather than by survivability, and that brought you such "achievements" like the drive-through restaurant and fast food, there's ALWAYS a rush...
I have seen major updates in my region (odd, as it's not overly dense in population) to the point where I have no longer needed to confirm/compare routes and destination locations with Google maps for most of this year. However, I believe Maps – regardless of who makes them – is a living, breathing entity that needs to constantly be tended to. Buildings get replaced, streets get re-planed... Maps are constantly evolving.
Every thing's good where I'm at too. I think Gazoobee pissed someone off at Apple and he's being deliberately given Indian Burns and Noogies by Apple.. There's a company-wide betting pool going on to see how far they can push him before he goes postal.
It just seems aquard when I got my first IOS device (iPhone 4) it took a year in a half for the OS to upgrade, when I get my first Mac the same thing, uhh time
Because we're not all worthless pirates downloading software illegally.
The way to properly answer would have been:
"Because we're not all valuable registered developers who can download the beta legally."
To insinuate that everyone, or even the majority of those who download the beta are "pirates" is asinine and thoroughly insulting, but I guess yours was a skilfool response...
"Because we're not all valuable registered developers who can download the beta legally."
To insinuate that everyone, or even the majority of those who download the beta are "pirates" is asinine and thoroughly insulting, but I guess yours was a skilfool response...
Only a troll, like you, would pretend not to know exactly what I was saying. It was blatantly clear, kiddo.
"Because we're not all valuable registered developers who can download the beta legally."
To insinuate that everyone, or even the majority of those who download the beta are "pirates" is asinine and thoroughly insulting, but I guess yours was a skilfool response...
Only a troll, like you, would pretend not to know exactly what I was saying. It was blatantly clear, kiddo.
Troll is the one who accuses others of being a pirate, baby.
Comments
Well yeah a stable solid OS release is always welcomed.
I have edit suites and pre-flight stations that still run Snow Leopard because they are still more stable with the core apps my people use because – as a system – they are more stable than the newer OSs. Not for everything, and I run Mountain lion on my individual station – but most editors won't run a new OS unless something breaks or a new system is purchased. That's why I mentioned it in the same breath as the new Mac Pro. For a lot of editors and power users, they have been waiting for this machine while sitll on old machines and will not be updating them again after they have them stable. Yes, obviously, a stable release is "always welcomed" (thanks for that brilliant addition), but these power users are not going to be as patient as the rest of us – waiting for updates to justify the purchase request. They WILL bounce if the choice is between old slow mac hardware; new, unstable/poorly tested mac system; or a different system altogether. Some editors have been leaving FCP and just happen to still be on a mac. If they can't trust the OS on the new, flashy hardware – they either won't buy or will buy else ware. Nether is a good scenario for Apple.
Quote:
This however is assinine. It may be a radical departure but that won't be due to combining OSes any more than they already are. You do realize that Mac OS and iOS are, underneath the GUI, the same operating systems as it is today? For example adding iBooks to the Mac OS distribution has nothing to do with combining the operating systems, it is simply supporting an app on both platforms. This is no different than adding a notes app to Mac OS. This isn't combining anything it is rather expanding capability.
I don't think we are both seeing the same depth of changes. You seem to be just looking at services or apps. Tip of the Ice burg, as they say. I think that the changes will be a lot bigger than that. I see a full interface adjustment. I see tighter implementation gestures and a re-thinking of how we interact with the machine as a whole. I'm not talking about the core, I'm talking about everything above it. I think Johnny Ive is going to make a bigger change from a user interaction perspective from X to XI than from 9 to X. You are thinking way too small in this aspect. This will be more than what we have gotten used to from a 10.x update – and it will be all instigated by what they have learned from iOS (specifically 7). I'm not talking about merging services... I'm talking about fundamentally changing the way the Mac Desktop works and behaves in the era of Mobile computing. If you can't see that (and how it effects power-user workflow), then I can't help you.
Bringing it back to my original point – Mission critical hard core users will not be jumping to Mac OS XI when it comes out so it truly is imperative that 10.9 be solid and less flashy as those mission critical hard core users will stick on that for a few years before they join the rest of us on XI. Or should I say, IF they join us and they don't regret having to upgrade to Mavericks just because of the Mac Pro.
None of those had inordinate glitches or bad launches.
I get what the article is saying, but not WHY. Are we in a hurry? Is there some rush?
I get what the article is saying, but not WHY. Are we in a hurry? Is there some rush?
In a culture that measures a company's success quarter by quarter rather than by survivability, and that brought you such "achievements" like the drive-through restaurant and fast food, there's ALWAYS a rush...
Every thing's good where I'm at too. I think Gazoobee pissed someone off at Apple and he's being deliberately given Indian Burns and Noogies by Apple.. There's a company-wide betting pool going on to see how far they can push him before he goes postal.
That's disappointing to me because it means the new Mac Pro is a bit further away than I'd hoped. Still, gives me more time to save up for it I guess!
Sounds on the ball.
Because we're not all worthless pirates downloading software illegally.
Because we're not all worthless pirates downloading software illegally.
The way to properly answer would have been:
"Because we're not all valuable registered developers who can download the beta legally."
To insinuate that everyone, or even the majority of those who download the beta are "pirates" is asinine and thoroughly insulting, but I guess yours was a skilfool response...
The way to properly answer would have been:
"Because we're not all valuable registered developers who can download the beta legally."
To insinuate that everyone, or even the majority of those who download the beta are "pirates" is asinine and thoroughly insulting, but I guess yours was a skilfool response...
Only a troll, like you, would pretend not to know exactly what I was saying. It was blatantly clear, kiddo.
The way to properly answer would have been:
"Because we're not all valuable registered developers who can download the beta legally."
To insinuate that everyone, or even the majority of those who download the beta are "pirates" is asinine and thoroughly insulting, but I guess yours was a skilfool response...
Only a troll, like you, would pretend not to know exactly what I was saying. It was blatantly clear, kiddo.
Troll is the one who accuses others of being a pirate, baby.
…insinuate…
Strange to talk about insinuation while being blind to what he was obviously insinuating, and which no one could have missed.