After its disastrous Exynos 5 Octa, Samsung may have lost Apple's A7 contract to TSMC

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  • Reply 201 of 391
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Stevel View Post

     

    Please don't treat me different because I am new. I've been an Apple customer forever, but I want Apple to get better. We all share that same interest. I hope we can all make that happen. btw, it is nice to meet you Dick. 


     

    "Please be my friend Dick. I hope we Apple fans can stick together and make Apple copy Samsung because they throw everything at wall to see what sticks. Let the consumer decide with their $$$. I would never buy Samsung but they are so innovative. I'm tired of bumping my iphone and I hope we can make Apple to get better soon. Please don't ban me."

     

    I miss that guy already. <img class=" src="http://forums-files.appleinsider.com/images/smilies//lol.gif" />

  • Reply 202 of 391
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    Originally Posted by daywalker View Post

     

     

    Where did you get that information from?

    I really think you're way off here.

     

    Google is testing Linux Kernel 3.7+ since january and already published release candidates with armv8 support:

    https://android.googlesource.com/kernel/common/+/experimental/android-3.10-rc5/arch/arm64/

     

    If you wanted to release a 64bit android device, all you need is 64bit drivers for those components and you're good to go (which means compile android with armv8 as target architecture + make sure that you have libs for jni to ensure native code can be run in a 32bit compatibility environment).


     

    shipping 64-bit device > hypothetical 64-bit device

     

    Google appreciates your apologetics anyway and you will be rewarded for your fealty. ;)

  • Reply 203 of 391
    crowleycrowley Posts: 10,453member
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    Originally Posted by Crosslad View Post





    Yes.

    Sim free iPhone 5s in UK Apple Store £549.00

    Sim free Samsung Galaxy S4 in Argos £599.95 although it does have £50 off at the moment making it only 95 pence more expensive than the 5s.

     

    Pretty sure that's not what he means since the Galaxy S4 doesn't sell "in tiny volumes", it sells in very large volumes, analagous to the iPhone.

     

    So what are these smartphones (lots of them, apparently) that sell at a higher price than the iPhone (in small quantities)?

  • Reply 204 of 391
    "A high end Mac Pro will probably make delicate creatures faint."

    I love it! Nice read.
  • Reply 205 of 391
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    Originally Posted by PhilBoogie View Post





    And re-write all their own apps and the SDK for their devs.

     

    Nope, android apps are distributed as bytecode, so there's no need to rewrite anything.

    As for native code - they could distribute the arm64 gcc toolchain as an additional build target.

    That would allow developers to optimize existing native libraries by compiling them specifially with arm64.

    This is probably the same google will do when they release an official 64bit port.

  • Reply 206 of 391
    Originally Posted by PhilBoogie View Post

    Androidify yourself by customizing the little green Android as yourself.



     

     

     

    Can you give it high heels, fishnets, and a disgustingly short skirt? You know, turn it into the whore it really is.

  • Reply 207 of 391
    crowleycrowley Posts: 10,453member

    Stay classy TS.

  • Reply 208 of 391
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    Originally Posted by murman View Post

     

    Also, the M7 chip, this occurred to me while using my iPod, it tracks my movement all the time regardless of what app, if you're using Safari laying down and shift position, Safari flips, its bloody annoying but the sensors are definitely working all the time and not just for sports apps or whatever.


    That's what the "Lock Orientation" option is for. Double-click home button and slide to left.

  • Reply 209 of 391
    Originally Posted by Crowley View Post

    Stay classy TS.

     

    If you've reason to believe the means by which Android gets onto hardware is not relatable to whoring, I'm all ears.

  • Reply 210 of 391
    crowleycrowley Posts: 10,453member

    Whores earn money by advertising now?  News to me.

     

    In any case, that wasn't what my comment was referring to.  These forums are filled with enough bile without bringing misogyny into it.  Women can wear whatever they want.  Now pack it in.

  • Reply 211 of 391
    Originally Posted by Crowley View Post

    Whores earn money by advertising now?  News to me.

     

    In any case, that wasn't what my comment was referring to.  These forums are filled with enough bile without bringing misogyny into it.  Women can wear whatever they want.  Now pack it in.


     

    Oh, that's hilarious. <img class=" src="http://forums-files.appleinsider.com/images/smilies//lol.gif" />

     

    Keep this nonsense in PO.

  • Reply 212 of 391
    crowleycrowley Posts: 10,453member
    Better yet, keep this nonsense off the forum. No need for it.
  • Reply 213 of 391
    daywalker wrote: »
    philboogie wrote: »
    And re-write all their own apps and the SDK for their devs.

    Nope, android apps are distributed as bytecode, so there's no need to rewrite anything.
    As for native code - they could distribute the arm64 gcc toolchain as an additional build target.
    That would allow developers to optimize existing native libraries by compiling them specifially with arm64.
    This is probably the same google will do when they release an official 64bit port.

    As I understand it, in order to exploit a 64-bit SOC -- Google's use of Java will need to be updated from the current 32-bit to 64-bit... same with Davlik. This could involve difficult and expensive negotiations with Oracle/Larry Ellison:
    August 13, 2013

    "We don't compete with Google. We don't do anything Google does. We just think they took our stuff and that was wrong. That's a completely separate issue ... I think what they did was -- was-- absolutely evil," Ellison told Rose.

    http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-505263_162-57598257/oracle-ceo-larry-ellison-google-ceo-did-evil-things-apple-is-going-down/
  • Reply 214 of 391
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    Originally Posted by mrbofus View Post



    "Given that Apple's iPhone product lineup has now subtly shifted from selling "the last three generations" of iPhones to a new two-tier model featuring an upscale iPhone 5s and mainstream iPhone 5c (flanked by a low end iPhone 4S, and in some countries an even cheaper iPhone 4)"



    How is it a two-tier model if they're still selling at least three models, like you described in the same sentence?

     

    Two tiers of new models, rather than just one new one.

  • Reply 215 of 391
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    Originally Posted by Crowley View Post

     

     

    Pretty sure that's not what he means since the Galaxy S4 doesn't sell "in tiny volumes", it sells in very large volumes, analagous to the iPhone.

     

    So what are these smartphones (lots of them, apparently) that sell at a higher price than the iPhone (in small quantities)?


     

    Perhaps when your Internet access is restored you can Google it.

  • Reply 216 of 391
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    Originally Posted by reydn View Post



    This guy knows Apple SoC's - these we're posted pre-DED editorial:



    http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=1634100



    http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=1630400

     

    Note that prior to the announcement, even he stated, "however, I believe it to be highly unlikely that Apple's A7 will be 64 bit."

     

    The second one was linked to in the article and he was cited by name. 

  • Reply 217 of 391
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    Originally Posted by Dick Applebaum View Post





    As I understand it, in order to exploit a 64-bit SOC -- Google's use of Java will need to be updated from the current 32-bit to 64-bit... same with Davlik. This could involve difficult and expensive negotiations with Oracle/Larry Ellison:

     

    Dalvik bytecode already has all 64bit data types available in the Java language:

    http://www.netmite.com/android/mydroid/dalvik/docs/dalvik-bytecode.html

     


    • Registers are 32 bits wide. Adjacent register pairs are used for 64-bit values.

    (So in my understanding, you can easily stream 2 VM registers to a single 64bit register on armv8 machines)

     

    But you're right, to "utilize" 64bit just compiling dalvikvm with an arm64 toolchain won't suffice.

    Instead they would have to optimize dalvik and the jit compiler to make use of the new armv8 instructions.

     

    About the Oracle vs. Google thing, you might be mixing up the Java standard library API and dalvikvm (the former was targeted in court by Oracle).

    The java libary is already aware of 64bit operations / data types.

    Right now dalvik simply "splits" 64bit operations to run on 32bit wide registers (or if they're smart, they could offload some to the 128bit NEON registers, Idk).

  • Reply 218 of 391
    Hi everyone,

    This will be my second post. I don't know if any non-iphone users are welcomed here, I hope a person who criticizes won't be accused being a troll or something.

    I think iPhone is a decent phone, simple, practical and with good build quality, now that they have A7 processors, the competition will fire up. I am surprised that a little larger screen with Full HD resolution was difficult to achieve for Apple. I think they were so busy with the new A7 processors, the finger print (which are all impressive). I hope to see a larger Full HD screen, more RAM and a different iOS that won't persuade some of its users turn to the dark side by jailbreaking it. Some of these innovations will be made with the iphone 6 but until then, who knows, Full HD resolutions, more RAMS and other innovations from other brands will be on their way. Apple still needs another perspective for its innovations.

    I would not be too relieved with the brand new A7 or the finger print sensor, there are yet many things to be done. But still, good move not to let Samsung manufacture their processors anymore. Late, but good decision. Now they should make sure that Taiwanese won't tell the secrets.

    I know this site is visited mostly by apple fans and admirers but still I should say: Even if exynos 5 octa is not 64 bit and below the new A7 , it still is a very good processor unlike many exaggerated offense to it, here in this article. I accept the fact that exynos octa has cons but it still is very good. Come on, it is not "disastrous". There are many good points with resources in this article but let's be honest, it is written with a little hate.

    Don't get me wrong, I am not a troll, I have an iPod touch which I like very much. I never call it "disastrous" even if Safari refreshes the minimized windows everytime which makes reading offline impossible. Some apps crash, but it is not the fault of iPod, if I maintain and know how to use it, those will be seen less.

    Talking about iPhone just needs other changes not only in processors but radical innovations in general, in order to persuade users like me to buy it. I hope the 6th or the 7th gen will be the one to buy.

    Thanks for the article anyway, have a good day.
  • Reply 219 of 391
    mstonemstone Posts: 11,510member
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    Originally Posted by Corrections View Post

     

    You're reading the automated forum posting, not the article as it appears on the site. So what you're complaining about is a Forum presentation error, not a proofreading flaw. 

     

    If you find actual typos in the article, please report them and they'll be fixed.


    Ok good to know. I was not aware that all the double sentences were an automation error. I refuse to read the main website because of all the animated crap and unfriendly navigation all over the place. I wrote a script that by passes that altogether so I only read the forum version. I suppose it is not too much to ask for the forum readers, who are mostly consuming your content for free, to put up with a few presentation bugs along with all the question marks for apostrophes, etc. as long as it is easier for you guys to 'automatically' post to the forum. Understandable since forum readers aren't really ad clickers, so they don't matter so much to the bottom line.

     

    Carry on.

     

    M

  • Reply 220 of 391
    Folks, obviously 64 bit has been in the works, already, in Android. Kit Kat was named and soon will be announced, so development is pretty deep into it, already. Kit Kat will be having 64 bit support from Google. Also, the Galaxy S5 is due in Feb/March timeline and Samsung said their next phone would be 64 bit, so development is well underway before the iPhone 5S announcement.
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