Amazon outs high-resolution Kindle Fire HDX models, new Fire OS 3.0

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  • Reply 21 of 39
    mazda 3smazda 3s Posts: 1,613member
    harmon wrote: »
    Two things:

    (1) I have never felt the need for a "mayday" button with my iPad Mini.  It just works and is intuitive so I don't see a need for this feature on an iPad.

    I've never felt the need either, but can't say the same for relatives with iPhones and iPads. I'm always the one that gets called when they have an issue with something. Nothing is more infuriating than trying to troubleshoot with a tech novice over the phone when you can't see their screen.

    This feature is more for the technically challenged than AI readers.
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  • Reply 22 of 39
    jungmarkjungmark Posts: 6,928member
    mazda 3s wrote: »
    Sheesh, it's just a tablet. Calm down! I swear people here love to get worked up whenever a competitor is mentioned. From the linked article:
    So it's not just Bezos rambling off numbers, there's other verification as well.

    I'm sure the kindle is doing well. Just tell Jeff to release some numbers.
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  • Reply 23 of 39
    snovasnova Posts: 1,281member

    Come get your new Kindle Fires!!!   .......crickets....

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  • Reply 24 of 39
    Originally Posted by AppleInsider View Post
    The HDX models will begin shipping on October 18, while the new Fire HD will begin shipping on October 8.

     

    The two models have already rocketed to the top of Amazon’s Best Selling items list.

     

    When asked how this was possible, Amazon referred to the number of them that had sold.

    When asked for the number sold, Amazon referred to the placement of the two Kindle models at the top of the chart for evidence that they were selling well.

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  • Reply 25 of 39
    sog35 wrote: »
    I'm mad because you mentioned as if its a FACT.  And its far from it.  For every 'research publication' you mention that confirms the number there are 4 others that dispute it.  Just look at the data usage numbers for the Fire, its laughable.  As long as Bezos is hiding behind the curtain with tablets sold its not a FACT.  And any analysis can make up numbers also if it fits their needs. 

    Look at IDC
    http://www.idc.com/getdoc.jsp?containerId=prUS24253413

    Fire does not even make the top5 worldwide. #5 only has a 3% share. 

    And then there's the whole lumping all kindles together BS. Some Kindles are tablets, the others aren't.
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  • Reply 26 of 39
    Wow that is powerful hardware and high-end specs on the display...
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  • Reply 27 of 39
    malaxmalax Posts: 1,598member

    Have you seen the TV ads (on the Amazon Web site) featuring the Mayday feature.  The woman you get to video chat with is really cute and perky, so I think it's going to be a great hit.  (I wonder if there will be a class action law suit if the cuteness and perkiness of the actual mayday drones don't measure up.)

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  • Reply 28 of 39
    Originally Posted by malax View Post

    Have you seen the TV ads (on the Amazon Web site) featuring the Mayday feature.  The woman you get to video chat with is really cute and perky, so I think it's going to be a great hit.  (I wonder if there will be a class action law suit if the cuteness and perkiness of the actual mayday drones don't measure up.)

     

    As advertised:

     

    As received:

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  • Reply 29 of 39
    jkichline wrote: »
    Amazon has the price a features right in this one! I make a popular iPad app and Amazon Kindle is the only Android device if recommend. Easy to use and great hardware. Good job Amazon!

    Is your app a spell-checker by chance?
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  • Reply 30 of 39
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    Originally Posted by jragosta View Post

     
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    Originally Posted by AppleInsider View Post



    Amazon has a goal of keeping wait times for this service down to 15 seconds or less. To that end, the company has reportedly brought on thousands of technical reps, and it can supposedly bring on more if necessary. .




    Let's see if we can understand this business model:



    - Sell the hardware at cost.

    - Add tens of millions of dollars in new employees to support the buggy hardware.

    - Sell popular ebooks below cost.



    Not clear how they're going to make money with that.



    Oh, wait. They're not making money. image

     

    I could care less if "they" are making money. I don't have Amazon stock. All I care about is if they give me decent hardware for the right price. This is on target. Hopefully it pushes Apple to not be so damn greedy on their prices for tablets and especially memory upgrades.  Laugh all you want they are going to gain marketshare and customers.

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  • Reply 31 of 39
    Since when is shoving more and more pixels per inch in each update good? 1) double the battery eaten 2)screen distortion 3) software not truly updated 4) to much bang, not enough buck for that 5) who is really going to notice difference between HD and HD(X-if I understand right) 6)they must loose more money have more trouble building such a thing
    There 6 reasons why no company should try to do it, but apple is the only company with since "we are the first to deliver perfect resolution" take apples now cheapness and add a 50 percent increase and were so perfect its impossible to notice.
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  • Reply 32 of 39
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    Originally Posted by jungmark View Post



    Amazon will sell "millions*" of these things and Wall Street will go gaga for them.



    *actual numbers not needed.

     

    Actual numbers not preferred to prevent yet more internet debates. Apple releases some numbers and how does that resolve anything? People simply use the numbers in any perverse, irrational ways to support their perverse, irrational narratives.

     

    Apple announces that they have sold n millions of iPhones. Fans and detractors will respectively find the up and down sides of this figure, regardless of n is. Actual numbers not needed because there are plenty of other misleading facts to fight over.

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  • Reply 33 of 39

    I don't understand all the criticism of Amazon - I admire them. As a customer they give me good service and huge choice; their prices are competitive too which is nice.

     

    They have a business strategy of making money by selling content, not devices, so Kindles go at something close to cost. That's entirely logical when they are primarily a content provider (lots of books and stuff). We have yet to see how good a model it is but Amazon does make money, they just plough most of it back into the business - it costs money to diversify from books to, well, almost everything and from the US to most of the world. Don't forget that they're still a young company (eg compared to Apple).

     

    I also don't get the comparison with Google: Amazon sells content and takes a profit from that, Google sells advertising and takes a profit from that. Let's not talk about which might be more noble but they are quite different. Apple, of course, sells devices (and gives away content, like iWork for iOS, to make them more attractive) which is different again.

     

    My wife has an original Kindle as well as an iPad. The Kindle does just one thing, it lets you read books (ones without pictures). So on versatility it sucks but, in doing what it does, it blows the iPad into the weeds: try reading in bright light (like outdoors) or compare battery life, for example. It's dangerous to write off a device just because of what it can't do (my iPad has yet to make me a decent cup of tea ;) ).

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  • Reply 34 of 39
    jragostajragosta Posts: 10,473member
    command_f wrote: »
    I don't understand all the criticism of Amazon - I admire them. As a customer they give me good service and huge choice; their prices are competitive too which is nice.

    They have a business strategy of making money by selling content, not devices, so Kindles go at something close to cost.

    Not quite. Their business strategy seems to be "we don't make significant profit on anything, but we'll make it up in volume". Growth for growth's sake is not turning out to be a winning strategy. Year after year after year, they keep telling investors "look at how much we've grown. Now that we've grown so much, we'll start making money next year". And year after year after year, the profits are disappointing (they're actually losing money now).

    It is totally unfathomable how they were getting P/E ratios of several thousand last year - and the stock hasn't suffered much even when their profits disappeared entirely. Why in the world would you pay a massive premium for a company which has nice revenues, but has never figured out how to make a profit on them? And what little advantage they have is going away - as more and more states are taxing Internet sales.
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  • Reply 35 of 39
    command_f wrote: »
    I don't understand all the criticism of Amazon - I admire them. As a customer they give me good service and huge choice; their prices are competitive too which is nice.

    They have a business strategy of making money by selling content, not devices, so Kindles go at something close to cost. That's entirely logical when they are primarily a content provider (lots of books and stuff). We have yet to see how good a model it is but Amazon does make money, they just plough most of it back into the business - it costs money to diversify from books to, well, almost everything and from the US to most of the world. Don't forget that they're still a young company (eg compared to Apple).

    I also don't get the comparison with Google: Amazon sells content and takes a profit from that, Google sells advertising and takes a profit from that. Let's not talk about which might be more noble but they are quite different. Apple, of course, sells devices (and gives away content, like iWork for iOS, to make them more attractive) which is different again.

    My wife has an original Kindle as well as an iPad. The Kindle does just one thing, it lets you read books (ones without pictures). So on versatility it sucks but, in doing what it does, it blows the iPad into the weeds: try reading in bright light (like outdoors) or compare battery life, for example. It's dangerous to write off a device just because of what it can't do (my iPad has yet to make me a decent cup of tea ;)  ).

    As a customer, I use Amazon all the time. Mostly because of Prime shipping.

    I do have a problem with how their stock is valued, and how they use political methods to protect their monopolistic practices.
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  • Reply 36 of 39
    jragosta wrote: »
    Not quite. Their business strategy seems to be "we don't make significant profit on anything, but we'll make it up in volume". Growth for growth's sake is not turning out to be a winning strategy. Year after year after year, they keep telling investors "look at how much we've grown. Now that we've grown so much, we'll start making money next year". And year after year after year, the profits are disappointing (they're actually losing money now).

    It is totally unfathomable how they were getting P/E ratios of several thousand last year - and the stock hasn't suffered much even when their profits disappeared entirely. Why in the world would you pay a massive premium for a company which has nice revenues, but has never figured out how to make a profit on them? And what little advantage they have is going away - as more and more states are taxing Internet sales.

    I think that's the reason Amazon is so heavily betting on things like the Kindle and services like Prime. These help make their system "sticky".

    Otherwise, simply being the best price garners no loyalty, and is incredibly difficult to maintain.

    I think it's worked to a certain degree, as personally I'm more likely to buy something on Amazon without shopping around (and it may not be the cheapest price) because I'm conditioned to think the deal is good and Prime makes things so stinking convenient.

    If Amazon doesn't make their system sticky, they'll be in a world of hurt as they eventually lose their low cost advantage. Which they will, because someone can always go cheaper, internet sales tax is inevitable, and Amazon can't lose money indefinitely.

    It's so stupid how their stock is valued, even if they flip the switch to profitability, they'll NEVER generate the profitability to justify the valuation. Obviously investors like blue sky vs cold hard fundamentals.
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  • Reply 37 of 39
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by jragosta View Post





    Let's see if we can understand this business model:



    - Sell the hardware at cost.

    - Add tens of millions of dollars in new employees to support the buggy hardware.

    - Sell popular ebooks below cost.



    Not clear how they're going to make money with that.



    Oh, wait. They're not making money. image

    Don't worry, you are not required to understand Amazon's business plan. After all, if you would understand how their business works maybe you would be in the place of Jeff Bezos, a billionaire, instead of wasting your time on an obscure forum, right? :smokey: 

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  • Reply 38 of 39
    jragostajragosta Posts: 10,473member
    nelsonx wrote: »
    Don't worry, you are not required to understand Amazon's business plan. After all, if you would understand how their business works maybe you would be in the place of Jeff Bezos, a billionaire, instead of wasting your time on an obscure forum, right? :smokey:  

    Or maybe I don't have a criminal mentality that would make me foist a ponzi scheme on investors.
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