And where is the Interface for it? Where can I see the strength of my passwords? Where can my secret questions and answers as a list or screenshot? Where I can see other info like CC data with all the various field? Where I can even delete old CC data from the DB? Where I see other secure information, including files, that I keep in 1Password? How can I access it from a device I don't own?
Look, I've been using iOS 7 and Mavericks since the betas first appeared. I love these OSes and have clearly iCloud Keychain is a great feature, but it's not a replacement for what 1Password offers, which is why I bought 1Password 4 for both iOS and Mac OS X as soon as they were available.
I am not stating that it is equivalent to 1password, I think this may be a misdirected reply. I have already stated above I own 1pw4 for both ios and mac os.
However to answer: I think icloud keychain is a viable replacement if its as advertised. I just assume one has some icloud.com management portal for them. How else would one update say, the expiration date of a credit card.
I hope Agile sees this new version as a work-progress. For reasons I don't quite understand, the main page "Categories" listing includes items like Passports and Driver Licenses.
Hey, how many of us have two passports or even two driver's licenses? Maybe some categories need to default to not being listed. Listed with Logins (270 of theme) they clutter and confuse.
I am not stating that it is equivalent to 1password, I think this may be a misdirected reply. I have already stated above I own 1pw4 for both ios and mac os.
However to answer: I think icloud keychain is a viable replacement if its as advertised. I just assume one has some icloud.com management portal for them. How else would one update say, the expiration date of a credit card.
When you say something isn't equivalent but then say it's a replacement those two don't jibe for me. As I stated previously I think iCloud Keychain is a great way to get the plebs to use complex and unique passwords but when it comes to the people that have desired and paid for 1Password for years iCloud Keychain will not suffice for the majority of users. I'd even say it's likely that iCloud Keychain won't only not hurt 1Password but will help drive certain customers to them after they understand how such an app/service can be useful.
2) If there is a management portal I haven't seen it. I don't see how longtime 1Password users would give that up for a much less sophisticated tool. And before someone says that iCloud Keychain isn't officially launched yet or that it's new yada yada if and when Apple makes it more on par with 1Password I'll reevaluate them at that time, but as of right now (and for the last several months) it's simply not a viable replacement.
I hope Agile sees this new version as a work-progress. For reasons I don't quite understand, the main page "Categories" listing includes items like Passports and Driver Licenses.
Hey, how many of us have two passports or even two driver's licenses? Maybe some categories need to default to not being listed. Listed with Logins (270 of theme) they clutter and confuse.
I see what you mean about the categories but I assume that is done for families. Still, I don't think it's the best method.
When you say something isn't equivalent but then say it's a replacement those two don't jibe for me. As I stated previously I think iCloud Keychain is a great way to get the plebs to use complex and unique passwords but when it comes to the people that have desired and paid for 1Password for years iCloud Keychain will not suffice for the majority of users. I'd even say it's likely that iCloud Keychain won't only not hurt 1Password but will help drive certain customers to them after they understand how such an app/service can be useful.
2) If there is a management portal I haven't seen it. I don't see how longtime 1Password users would give that up for a much less sophisticated tool. And before someone says that iCloud Keychain isn't officially launched yet or that it's new yada yada if and when Apple makes it more on par with 1Password I'll reevaluate them at that time, but as of right now (and for the last several months) it's simply not a viable replacement.
it is not equivalent because it does not offer cross-platform capability nor the extra authentication step, nor the sync flexibility as 1password. It is viable (viable does not mean better) in that it looks to be a decent apple-ecosystem password management system with complex password generator and device sync.
I believe Craig Federighi had mentioned during the keynote you could go in and edit/delete passwords. I just assume the management portal.
Some caveats:
I do not know if the iOS flavor of this will work only in safari or if (say) uiwebkit-based apps will get it too.
Nor do I know for sure there will be a management portal, or even if the iOS keychain APIs just suddenly become aware of the icloud synced additions.
If iCloud keychain sync works throughout iOS7 and provides a management portal, I would consider dumping 1password.
Nice app. But I fear it may soon be Sherlocked on iOS. I'm not sure that Apple would ever need to add Touch ID to any Mac, whether portable or desktop. So I think 1Password will live on on OS X forever. But on iOS, it's clear that Touch ID is the key to all manner of security improvements, including on-device purchase confirmation + device login + in-app web site login + retail purchase confirmation etc.
(For those of you who don't remember Mac OS 8.5, Sherlock was a feature that Apple added to Mac OS that crushed a third-party program called Watson: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sherlock_(software))
For me, Apple's iCloud Keychain seems like the perfect solution. 1Passwsord hasn't been a very good experience for me (I have the Mac version). I never bought the iOS version since the Mac one wasn't something I really cared for (plus the second fee really teed me off) and hence I only have a small subset of my passwords in iPassword. Passwords for sites that I specifically will only visit from my Mac. It works, but it's limiting. With iCloud Keychain I'll have free password access across all my devices. Yes, I'll miss out on some of the features of 1Password, but since I'm just using the most bare features of the app now, I expect I won't miss anything.
If 1Password wasn't as clunky as it is for me and gave me access on all my devices with one fee I'd be much less likely to leave them. So long as iCloud Keychain works as promised, I suspect I'll be (gladly) deleting 1Password from my Mac. So for me, it most certainly is a viable replacement.
For me, Apple's iCloud Keychain seems like the perfect solution. 1Passwsord hasn't been a very good experience for me (I have the Mac version). I never bought the iOS version since the Mac one wasn't something I really cared for (plus the second fee really teed me off) and hence I only have a small subset of my passwords in iPassword. Passwords for sites that I specifically will only visit from my Mac. It works, but it's limiting. With iCloud Keychain I'll have free password access across all my devices. Yes, I'll miss out on some of the features of 1Password, but since I'm just using the most bare features of the app now, I expect I won't miss anything.
If 1Password wasn't as clunky as it is for me and gave me access on all my devices with one fee I'd be much less likely to leave them. So long as iCloud Keychain works as promised, I suspect I'll be (gladly) deleting 1Password from my Mac. So for me, it most certainly is a viable replacement.
You fit into the category that I already mentioned that iCloud Keychain would be a viable replacement for.
$6, not very fancy but it gets the job done. I can open the password database, read existing entries, and add new ones.
I originally tried these as a way to try out password management without spending a lot of money. I ended up being completely happy with them, and now I can't live without them.
You really have no choice but to buy this so your security is up to date. Nevertheless, the changes were not worth a new version. Looks nice, and there are a few things like Favorites which are useful, as the Favorites function is in the iOS v4, but the app was not re-thought like a new version should be.
For instance, one problem with compatibility with OSX: OSX does not permit you to copy and paste into the Administrator's login dialog box. Why not provide a Reveal function on the 1Password mini so you can type in your password in the login box? Or in each 1Password 4 file you have to click on a dropdown menu to select reveal, and then click on reveal. Redundant! If there are only two options: copy or reveal, why not just toggle reveal and copy? Moreover, when your data is imported from v3 to v4, ALL THE ATTACHMENTS ARE DELETED. I sent AgileBits a question about this days ago and they have yet to answer. AgileBits has always had very slow support turnaround times.
Moreover, there are pretty substantial bugs in iOS v4, e.g. the iOS v4 app will unilaterally switch files so that you are suddenly not looking at the file you selected. Why not sort out the bugs in iOS 4 before doing a new OSX version? Of course the answer is obvious: $$$. Unfortunately, in the rush for profits, they made some graphical changes, and did not bother to think they had to make a decent app.
Finally, I have read some professional reviews praising v4. Don't believe the hype. I don't think the reviewers are very independent.
Until we find out how good the iCloud keychain thingo is it makes no sense to buy anything.
If you didn't have a password manager before now, you wont be any less secure after now if you do nothing. And you might just save your self a small bundle because iCloud Keychain may be all that you need and 1Password is expensive. Possibly more expensive than OSX Mavericks
Until we find out how good the iCloud keychain thingo is it makes no sense to buy anything.
It even suggests random character passwords for you and then automatically saves them DURING account creation so that when you go to log in for the first time, you don’t have to have the content copy/pasted out somewhere.
[devil].jpg [advocate].jpg "With the various outages of iCloud, my client is wondering how many people are feeling insecure about storing their passwords in a secure place."
It may be easy to use, provided you're not a loyal customer upgrading. This is such a problematic process that I have been without my passwords now for 2 weeks waiting for help despite multiple emails and meaningless auto-responder replies. I have written to them and many others with a suggestion. It's this "When beta testing, especially your instructions, physically sit behind a user but with your hands bound behind your back and tape over your mouth, as you watch them trying to implement the upgrade or install. After a few sessions of pain, your geeks will learn how to make the process easy for the rest of us and it will save you negative social media vitriol" Get the people who write the instructions to do this. Also, whatever your pricing model, have a hugely expensive phone support option that some suckers (like me) would value greatly. Outsource it but offer it. So far, I have found the upgrade from 3 to 4 impossible and am looking for someone on the planet to pay for help, even if it costs me double what the software cost.
If you sre looking for an alternative password manager, take a look "Intuitive Password" online password mansger. I have more than 20 passwords and they are all different for each site, I use it everyday. It works on all devices including smartphones, tablets, laptops and desktop PCs without installation required. Intuitive Password provides a Data Restore Points feature so you can't lose your data using their service.
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And where is the Interface for it? Where can I see the strength of my passwords? Where can my secret questions and answers as a list or screenshot? Where I can see other info like CC data with all the various field? Where I can even delete old CC data from the DB? Where I see other secure information, including files, that I keep in 1Password? How can I access it from a device I don't own?
Look, I've been using iOS 7 and Mavericks since the betas first appeared. I love these OSes and have clearly iCloud Keychain is a great feature, but it's not a replacement for what 1Password offers, which is why I bought 1Password 4 for both iOS and Mac OS X as soon as they were available.
I am not stating that it is equivalent to 1password, I think this may be a misdirected reply. I have already stated above I own 1pw4 for both ios and mac os.
However to answer: I think icloud keychain is a viable replacement if its as advertised. I just assume one has some icloud.com management portal for them. How else would one update say, the expiration date of a credit card.
Hey, how many of us have two passports or even two driver's licenses? Maybe some categories need to default to not being listed. Listed with Logins (270 of theme) they clutter and confuse.
When you say something isn't equivalent but then say it's a replacement those two don't jibe for me. As I stated previously I think iCloud Keychain is a great way to get the plebs to use complex and unique passwords but when it comes to the people that have desired and paid for 1Password for years iCloud Keychain will not suffice for the majority of users. I'd even say it's likely that iCloud Keychain won't only not hurt 1Password but will help drive certain customers to them after they understand how such an app/service can be useful.
2) If there is a management portal I haven't seen it. I don't see how longtime 1Password users would give that up for a much less sophisticated tool. And before someone says that iCloud Keychain isn't officially launched yet or that it's new yada yada if and when Apple makes it more on par with 1Password I'll reevaluate them at that time, but as of right now (and for the last several months) it's simply not a viable replacement.
I see what you mean about the categories but I assume that is done for families. Still, I don't think it's the best method.
When you say something isn't equivalent but then say it's a replacement those two don't jibe for me. As I stated previously I think iCloud Keychain is a great way to get the plebs to use complex and unique passwords but when it comes to the people that have desired and paid for 1Password for years iCloud Keychain will not suffice for the majority of users. I'd even say it's likely that iCloud Keychain won't only not hurt 1Password but will help drive certain customers to them after they understand how such an app/service can be useful.
2) If there is a management portal I haven't seen it. I don't see how longtime 1Password users would give that up for a much less sophisticated tool. And before someone says that iCloud Keychain isn't officially launched yet or that it's new yada yada if and when Apple makes it more on par with 1Password I'll reevaluate them at that time, but as of right now (and for the last several months) it's simply not a viable replacement.
it is not equivalent because it does not offer cross-platform capability nor the extra authentication step, nor the sync flexibility as 1password. It is viable (viable does not mean better) in that it looks to be a decent apple-ecosystem password management system with complex password generator and device sync.
I believe Craig Federighi had mentioned during the keynote you could go in and edit/delete passwords. I just assume the management portal.
Some caveats:
I do not know if the iOS flavor of this will work only in safari or if (say) uiwebkit-based apps will get it too.
Nor do I know for sure there will be a management portal, or even if the iOS keychain APIs just suddenly become aware of the icloud synced additions.
If iCloud keychain sync works throughout iOS7 and provides a management portal, I would consider dumping 1password.
Nice app. But I fear it may soon be Sherlocked on iOS. I'm not sure that Apple would ever need to add Touch ID to any Mac, whether portable or desktop. So I think 1Password will live on on OS X forever. But on iOS, it's clear that Touch ID is the key to all manner of security improvements, including on-device purchase confirmation + device login + in-app web site login + retail purchase confirmation etc.
(For those of you who don't remember Mac OS 8.5, Sherlock was a feature that Apple added to Mac OS that crushed a third-party program called Watson: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sherlock_(software))
... it's simply not a viable replacement.
For you.
For me, Apple's iCloud Keychain seems like the perfect solution. 1Passwsord hasn't been a very good experience for me (I have the Mac version). I never bought the iOS version since the Mac one wasn't something I really cared for (plus the second fee really teed me off) and hence I only have a small subset of my passwords in iPassword. Passwords for sites that I specifically will only visit from my Mac. It works, but it's limiting. With iCloud Keychain I'll have free password access across all my devices. Yes, I'll miss out on some of the features of 1Password, but since I'm just using the most bare features of the app now, I expect I won't miss anything.
If 1Password wasn't as clunky as it is for me and gave me access on all my devices with one fee I'd be much less likely to leave them. So long as iCloud Keychain works as promised, I suspect I'll be (gladly) deleting 1Password from my Mac. So for me, it most certainly is a viable replacement.
You fit into the category that I already mentioned that iCloud Keychain would be a viable replacement for.
I use a similar setup, but it's much less expensive. It does rely on keeping the password database in Dropbox.
KeePassX on my Mac and Windows PCs (it also runs on Linux). https://www.keepassx.org/
It has many of the same features as 1Password, uses AES-256 to encrypt the password database, and is open-source and free.
KyPass on my iOS devices. https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/kypass-2/id536560380?mt=8
$6, not very fancy but it gets the job done. I can open the password database, read existing entries, and add new ones.
I originally tried these as a way to try out password management without spending a lot of money. I ended up being completely happy with them, and now I can't live without them.
For instance, one problem with compatibility with OSX: OSX does not permit you to copy and paste into the Administrator's login dialog box. Why not provide a Reveal function on the 1Password mini so you can type in your password in the login box? Or in each 1Password 4 file you have to click on a dropdown menu to select reveal, and then click on reveal. Redundant! If there are only two options: copy or reveal, why not just toggle reveal and copy? Moreover, when your data is imported from v3 to v4, ALL THE ATTACHMENTS ARE DELETED. I sent AgileBits a question about this days ago and they have yet to answer. AgileBits has always had very slow support turnaround times.
Moreover, there are pretty substantial bugs in iOS v4, e.g. the iOS v4 app will unilaterally switch files so that you are suddenly not looking at the file you selected. Why not sort out the bugs in iOS 4 before doing a new OSX version? Of course the answer is obvious: $$$. Unfortunately, in the rush for profits, they made some graphical changes, and did not bother to think they had to make a decent app.
Finally, I have read some professional reviews praising v4. Don't believe the hype. I don't think the reviewers are very independent.
Finally, I have read some professional reviews praising v4. Don't believe the hype. I don't think the reviewers are very independent.
Please explain, why do you think the reviewers are not very independent?
Or just wait for Mavericks.
Agreed.
Until we find out how good the iCloud keychain thingo is it makes no sense to buy anything.
If you didn't have a password manager before now, you wont be any less secure after now if you do nothing. And you might just save your self a small bundle because iCloud Keychain may be all that you need and 1Password is expensive. Possibly more expensive than OSX Mavericks
Until we find out how good the iCloud keychain thingo is it makes no sense to buy anything.
It even suggests random character passwords for you and then automatically saves them DURING account creation so that when you go to log in for the first time, you don’t have to have the content copy/pasted out somewhere.
[advocate].jpg
"With the various outages of iCloud, my client is wondering how many people are feeling insecure about storing their passwords in a secure place."
I have been using 1Password too but I am thinking about switching to Sticky Password. Have anyone heard of these guys? They seem pretty nice.