To be fair we should really only count phones in the $848 - $850 dollar range. To count things that aren't in that range is not really comparing apples to Apples. /s
Well, here in Canada, all these carriers keep calling people like at least once a month offering them zero everything for the latest stupid samsung phones! No wonder ....
That only happened maybe 2 or 3 months out of the year. When the Galaxy first was released (April) and right before the new iPhones come out. I'd estimate the iPhones sell about 30% more units than the S4/S3.
Actually- his argument probably only skews the numbers more in Samsungs favor. There are many vendors below the $500 range... At the $500 and up range there's pretty much Apple, Samsung, and a very few others (HTC, Sony?) Most of the non-Apple phones sold would be the Samsung S3, S4, or Notes with the occasional One, or Experia. Motorolla's phones are usually below $500.
So the number of Samsung phones sold per phone in the "phones over $500" is probably quite a bit higher than if you include the lower end ones.
The comments leading up to this earlier were strictly speaking about Samsung... not other vendors.
And I was too.
So my question was... of the 76 million Samsung smartphones sold last quarter... how many were above $500 ?
We know the flagship Galaxy S4 and Galaxy Note sell fairly well... but are they the majority of Samsung's smartphone sales? I don't think so.
There are tons of cheaper and extremely cheap Samsung smartphones sold around the world... many of which we've never heard of. Those are the phones that make up the bulk of Samsung's sales.
So when you try to compare Samsung to Apple in smartphone sales... it's not exactly a fair comparison.
Samsung's smartphones range from $100-$700.... while Apple's smartphones range from $450-$850
The comments leading up to this earlier were strictly speaking about Samsung... not other vendors.
And I was too.
So my question was... of the 76 million Samsung smartphones sold last quarter... how many were above $500 ?
We know the flagship Galaxy S4 and Galaxy Note sell fairly well... but are they the majority of Samsung's smartphone sales? I don't think so.
There are tons of cheaper and extremely cheap Samsung smartphones sold around the world... many of which we've never heard of. Those are the phones that make up the bulk of Samsung's sales.
So when you try to compare Samsung to Apple in smartphone sales... it's not exactly a fair comparison.
Samsung's smartphones range from $100-$700.... while Apple's smartphones range from $450-$850
No. That's only the point from which you attempted to redirect the conversation.
Original Article:
1 in 7 of all mobile devices in S. Korea are Apple
Struckpaper:
Does Samsung sell 1 in 7 in the U.S.?
DFTW:
Its actually 1 in 4
*ALARM* *ALARM* *ALARM* Comparing Apples to Apples Samsung wins *ALARM* *ALARM* *ALARM*
sog35, MS, et. al.
"Actually, we need to change the definition of what the original article should have been comparing in the first place because that's not what we want to look at"
hmmm.... I know, what percentage of Samsung phones are over $500 because we all know Samsung only sells cheap junk! The new topic of this thread is 'Samsung only sells cheap junk!'
That is fine to do if it makes you feel better- but doesn't change the original question.
If you want to change what we look at to 'only devices over $500' then Samsung is probably well over one in four devices, but by that same definition Apples share in S.Korea is probably *much* higher than 1 in 7 devices as well- since almost no devices over there other than Apple and a few Samsung models are over $500
No. That's only the point from which you attempted to redirect the conversation.
Original Article:
1 in 7 of all mobile devices in S. Korea are Apple
Struckpaper:
Does Samsung sell 1 in 7 in the U.S.?
DFTW:
Its actually 1 in 4
*ALARM* *ALARM* *ALARM* Comparing Apples to Apples Samsung wins *ALARM* *ALARM* *ALARM*
sog35, MS, et. al.
"Actually, we need to change the definition of what the original article should have been comparing in the first place because that's not what we want to look at"
hmmm.... I know, what percentage of Samsung phones are over $500 because we all know Samsung only sells cheap junk! The new topic of this thread is 'Samsung only sells cheap junk!'
That is fine to do if it makes you feel better- but doesn't change the original question.
If you want to change what we look at to 'only devices over $500' then Samsung is probably well over one in four devices, but by that same definition Apples share in S.Korea is probably *much* higher than 1 in 7 devices as well- since almost no devices over there other than Apple and a few Samsung models are over $500
Hey bud... my original reply was to another forum member... not the original article. So if the conversation deviated from the original article... that's why.
Look... we all know Samsung is the volume leader in smartphone sales... in South Korea and across the globe. We're just trying to figure out WHICH smartphones make up those sales... for our own curiosity.
Is it flagships? Is it budget phones?
Apple doesn't sell a phone lower than $450... so of course Samsung is the undisputed leader below that price.
What we're suggesting... (yes we're allowed to suggest new topics on here)... is another way of comparing these two companies... if possible.
Again... Apple doesn't sell a phone from $0 to $449... so that makes any kind of direct comparison difficult.
However... if we knew how many phones each company sold at $450 and up... that would help.
No... I'm not trying to paint Apple in a better light. Samsung still "wins" by the sheer number of smartphones they sell... there's no argument there. But it would be nice to know the breakdown by price/model/etc.
For all the talk about the flagship Galaxy S4 and Galaxy Note 3... Samsung's phenomenal sales may be the result of their much more inexpensive options.
Wouldn't that be interesting?
And no... I said nothing about "cheap junk"... those were your words.
I think "national pride" is pushing it. The contributions they make to the SK economy is huge, but at the same time knowing that company is considered corrupt by their own people and convicted executives are running the show, it's more a source of embarrassment than anything.
Actually, correct!
I'm native Korean and I can assure that Koreans have a strong sense of nationalism/ethnocentricism. It highly attributes to the market share of Samsung.
But that is not all. Think why LG and Pantech, two Korean companies, have so low market share in Korea.
You can say that Samsung has a special something that Apple or even other Korean companies don't.
That is "press control". (I mean "jounalism.")
Samsung has a nation-wide influence, especially on polictics and jounalism.
For instance, Korea has 13 Supreme Court Chiefs. And 9 of them are Samsung-oriented figures. (Called Samsung-man)
What's critical is, Samsung practically own major press corporations.
And in Korea, most press companies(newspapers, internet journalism.. etc) are a subsidiary company of those big press corps.
So virtually, Samsung has a very strong control of journalism.
And, in the book called "Thinking about Samsung..", a leak from an ex-Samsung figure, Kim Yong-chul, he says "Samsung pays journalists directly when they wrote in favor of Galaxy, and against of iPhone, the amount of bribe is about $190 per article."
Results?
Without any exeggeration, you can see articles such as ....
"Steve Jobs has always envied Galaxy"
"Steve Jobs so frightened seeing Galaxy Tab"
"Jobs says 7-inch tablets are DOA as frightened by Samsung Galaxy Tab"
Almost all the press articles incite people to buy Galaxy instead of iPhone, as iPhone being inferior to Galaxy.
And even worse, most Koreans believe them without any doubt. (Most of them didn' read the book aforementioned.... so sad..)
I can tell that they are paid, and lying because I read American newspapers, and those from UK, and even France, while most Koreans just subscribe to Korean press only.
I'm so surprised that someone from outside is aware of circumstances of Korean regarding Samsung. I guess you are either living in Korea for your job or something, or you are a very inquisitive person (in a good way).
It's not just South Korea that has a fixation with Phablets. Here in Hong Kong, I'd estimate 50% or more of people I see every day on the subway and in the office have a device with a larger than 5" screen.
The comments leading up to this earlier were strictly speaking about Samsung... not other vendors.
And I was too.
So my question was... of the 76 million Samsung smartphones sold last quarter... how many were above $500 ?
We know the flagship Galaxy S4 and Galaxy Note sell fairly well... but are they the majority of Samsung's smartphone sales? I don't think so.
There are tons of cheaper and extremely cheap Samsung smartphones sold around the world... many of which we've never heard of. Those are the phones that make up the bulk of Samsung's sales.
So when you try to compare Samsung to Apple in smartphone sales... it's not exactly a fair comparison.
Samsung's smartphones range from $100-$700.... while Apple's smartphones range from $450-$850
I think the word Samsung used to describe S4 sales was "disappointing" just before their share price crashed a little.
No. That's only the point from which you attempted to redirect the conversation.
Original Article:
1 in 7 of all mobile devices in S. Korea are Apple
Struckpaper:
Does Samsung sell 1 in 7 in the U.S.?
DFTW:
Its actually 1 in 4
*ALARM* *ALARM* *ALARM* Comparing Apples to Apples Samsung wins *ALARM* *ALARM* *ALARM*
sog35, MS, et. al.
"Actually, we need to change the definition of what the original article should have been comparing in the first place because that's not what we want to look at"
hmmm.... I know, what percentage of Samsung phones are over $500 because we all know Samsung only sells cheap junk! The new topic of this thread is 'Samsung only sells cheap junk!'
That is fine to do if it makes you feel better- but doesn't change the original question.
If you want to change what we look at to 'only devices over $500' then Samsung is probably well over one in four devices, but by that same definition Apples share in S.Korea is probably *much* higher than 1 in 7 devices as well- since almost no devices over there other than Apple and a few Samsung models are over $500
The flaw comes as the article included iPads, so does Samsung sell 1 in 7 smartphones AND tablets in the US?
I wish we would see a little more national pride here in America. Samsung is run by a two-time convicted felon, they pay bloggers and celebrities to bash the competition, they set-up there processors to deceive people on benchmark testing ( so do the other S.Korean brands like LG), they blatantly rip off Apple and infringe patents. And with all this, 1 in 4 smart phone users in the U.S. still buy a Samsung product even when the Apple ecosystem is far better. I wish people here would wake up.
Which war is more fierce - Samsung v. Apple or Android fans v. Apple fans here on AI?
Oh, obviously the fans. The actual war has more money and is more public, but this is espionage. This is patriots vs. hired mercenaries. The commanders of the actual war know how to cut their losses. We fight to the death.
When Apple's site says I can get an iphone 4s for $0... what they really mean is they are going to charge me $450 for that $0 phone. It makes perfect sense. They rip you off, thanks for clarifying.
When Apple's site says I can get an iphone 4s for $0... what they really mean is they are going to charge me $450 for that $0 phone. It makes perfect sense. They rip you off, thanks for clarifying.
Just shut up and go back to your original claim instead of pretending this is what the argument is about, okay? I have bad memory but there are backlinks on every quote.
When Apple's site says I can get an iphone 4s for $0... what they really mean is they are going to charge me $450 for that $0 phone. It makes perfect sense. They rip you off, thanks for clarifying.
$450 and then some, when you factor in the cost of the contract you sign up to in order to get that $0 phone.
Little kids make the same mistake when they come in our shop and ask for a "free" phone, then their parents have to explain.
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To be fair we should really only count phones in the $848 - $850 dollar range. To count things that aren't in that range is not really comparing apples to Apples. /s
That only happened maybe 2 or 3 months out of the year. When the Galaxy first was released (April) and right before the new iPhones come out. I'd estimate the iPhones sell about 30% more units than the S4/S3.
Thank you for confirming my point.
The comments leading up to this earlier were strictly speaking about Samsung... not other vendors.
And I was too.
So my question was... of the 76 million Samsung smartphones sold last quarter... how many were above $500 ?
We know the flagship Galaxy S4 and Galaxy Note sell fairly well... but are they the majority of Samsung's smartphone sales? I don't think so.
There are tons of cheaper and extremely cheap Samsung smartphones sold around the world... many of which we've never heard of. Those are the phones that make up the bulk of Samsung's sales.
So when you try to compare Samsung to Apple in smartphone sales... it's not exactly a fair comparison.
Samsung's smartphones range from $100-$700.... while Apple's smartphones range from $450-$850
The comments leading up to this earlier were strictly speaking about Samsung... not other vendors.
And I was too.
So my question was... of the 76 million Samsung smartphones sold last quarter... how many were above $500 ?
We know the flagship Galaxy S4 and Galaxy Note sell fairly well... but are they the majority of Samsung's smartphone sales? I don't think so.
There are tons of cheaper and extremely cheap Samsung smartphones sold around the world... many of which we've never heard of. Those are the phones that make up the bulk of Samsung's sales.
So when you try to compare Samsung to Apple in smartphone sales... it's not exactly a fair comparison.
Samsung's smartphones range from $100-$700.... while Apple's smartphones range from $450-$850
No. That's only the point from which you attempted to redirect the conversation.
Original Article:
1 in 7 of all mobile devices in S. Korea are Apple
Struckpaper:
Does Samsung sell 1 in 7 in the U.S.?
DFTW:
Its actually 1 in 4
*ALARM* *ALARM* *ALARM* Comparing Apples to Apples Samsung wins *ALARM* *ALARM* *ALARM*
sog35, MS, et. al.
"Actually, we need to change the definition of what the original article should have been comparing in the first place because that's not what we want to look at"
hmmm.... I know, what percentage of Samsung phones are over $500 because we all know Samsung only sells cheap junk! The new topic of this thread is 'Samsung only sells cheap junk!'
That is fine to do if it makes you feel better- but doesn't change the original question.
If you want to change what we look at to 'only devices over $500' then Samsung is probably well over one in four devices, but by that same definition Apples share in S.Korea is probably *much* higher than 1 in 7 devices as well- since almost no devices over there other than Apple and a few Samsung models are over $500
Is $450 less than $50 now? I’m confused.
Hey bud... my original reply was to another forum member... not the original article. So if the conversation deviated from the original article... that's why.
Look... we all know Samsung is the volume leader in smartphone sales... in South Korea and across the globe. We're just trying to figure out WHICH smartphones make up those sales... for our own curiosity.
Is it flagships? Is it budget phones?
Apple doesn't sell a phone lower than $450... so of course Samsung is the undisputed leader below that price.
What we're suggesting... (yes we're allowed to suggest new topics on here)... is another way of comparing these two companies... if possible.
Again... Apple doesn't sell a phone from $0 to $449... so that makes any kind of direct comparison difficult.
However... if we knew how many phones each company sold at $450 and up... that would help.
No... I'm not trying to paint Apple in a better light. Samsung still "wins" by the sheer number of smartphones they sell... there's no argument there. But it would be nice to know the breakdown by price/model/etc.
For all the talk about the flagship Galaxy S4 and Galaxy Note 3... Samsung's phenomenal sales may be the result of their much more inexpensive options.
Wouldn't that be interesting?
And no... I said nothing about "cheap junk"... those were your words.
I think "national pride" is pushing it. The contributions they make to the SK economy is huge, but at the same time knowing that company is considered corrupt by their own people and convicted executives are running the show, it's more a source of embarrassment than anything.
Actually, correct!
I'm native Korean and I can assure that Koreans have a strong sense of nationalism/ethnocentricism. It highly attributes to the market share of Samsung.
But that is not all. Think why LG and Pantech, two Korean companies, have so low market share in Korea.
You can say that Samsung has a special something that Apple or even other Korean companies don't.
That is "press control". (I mean "jounalism.")
Samsung has a nation-wide influence, especially on polictics and jounalism.
For instance, Korea has 13 Supreme Court Chiefs. And 9 of them are Samsung-oriented figures. (Called Samsung-man)
What's critical is, Samsung practically own major press corporations.
And in Korea, most press companies(newspapers, internet journalism.. etc) are a subsidiary company of those big press corps.
So virtually, Samsung has a very strong control of journalism.
And, in the book called "Thinking about Samsung..", a leak from an ex-Samsung figure, Kim Yong-chul, he says "Samsung pays journalists directly when they wrote in favor of Galaxy, and against of iPhone, the amount of bribe is about $190 per article."
Results?
Without any exeggeration, you can see articles such as ....
"Steve Jobs has always envied Galaxy"
"Steve Jobs so frightened seeing Galaxy Tab"
"Jobs says 7-inch tablets are DOA as frightened by Samsung Galaxy Tab"
Almost all the press articles incite people to buy Galaxy instead of iPhone, as iPhone being inferior to Galaxy.
And even worse, most Koreans believe them without any doubt. (Most of them didn' read the book aforementioned.... so sad..)
I can tell that they are paid, and lying because I read American newspapers, and those from UK, and even France, while most Koreans just subscribe to Korean press only.
I'm so surprised that someone from outside is aware of circumstances of Korean regarding Samsung. I guess you are either living in Korea for your job or something, or you are a very inquisitive person (in a good way).
I think the word Samsung used to describe S4 sales was "disappointing" just before their share price crashed a little.
The flaw comes as the article included iPads, so does Samsung sell 1 in 7 smartphones AND tablets in the US?
South Korea only has a population of 50,000,000.
About 15% of the USA.
And about 10% of the USA's smartphone buyers.
I'm waiting for the article about Samsung's domination of the Tibet smartphone market.
Yeah, Tibet is probably MUCH more important of a market than, let's say, Tuvalu.
Next question:
Which war is more fierce - Samsung v. Apple or Android fans v. Apple fans here on AI?
Which war is more fierce - Samsung v. Apple or Android fans v. Apple fans here on AI?
Oh, obviously the fans. The actual war has more money and is more public, but this is espionage. This is patriots vs. hired mercenaries. The commanders of the actual war know how to cut their losses. We fight to the death.
Is $450 less than $50 now? I’m confused.
Now I get how Apple is making all that revenue.
When Apple's site says I can get an iphone 4s for $0... what they really mean is they are going to charge me $450 for that $0 phone. It makes perfect sense. They rip you off, thanks for clarifying.
When Apple's site says I can get an iphone 4s for $0... what they really mean is they are going to charge me $450 for that $0 phone. It makes perfect sense. They rip you off, thanks for clarifying.
Just shut up and go back to your original claim instead of pretending this is what the argument is about, okay? I have bad memory but there are backlinks on every quote.
Now I get how Apple is making all that revenue.
When Apple's site says I can get an iphone 4s for $0... what they really mean is they are going to charge me $450 for that $0 phone. It makes perfect sense. They rip you off, thanks for clarifying.
$450 and then some, when you factor in the cost of the contract you sign up to in order to get that $0 phone.
Little kids make the same mistake when they come in our shop and ask for a "free" phone, then their parents have to explain.