Good point when it comes to the phone. But most people access the time from a wristwatch (unless they are actually sitting at a computer screen). Most people wear a wristwatch in preference to pulling out their phone to access time. And these same "most people" need a quick, though approximate, answer to the question, "What time is it?"
You are correct though, few people will look at the little clock on their home screen to access the time.
Um, I don't see or know many people who wear watches. Myself and my friends use our iPhones. I can't think of the last person I saw wearing a watch, but I'm not seeking it out. I also do not like the feeling of watches strapped to my arm. Clothing is enough physical constraint.
Well, it’s official. I hate Pages’ new icon. And Keynote’s bland. Even Numbers’ icon showed just how different it was from every other spreadsheet application available. Now? Pheh.
Hopefully they keep them the same on OS X. Not that it matters; I’d just change them back manually. :p
i hate all the redesign, but these icons do look odd so the redesign on IOS only is ok at this point.
I would really like this news if they didn't make my 5s blue screen.
I figure any update will remove that since apple is likely now testing with iPhone 5S, this does seem like IOS is at its worst so far, maybe IOS 8 next year will remove the new problems.
I'm an exception. I cannot conceptualize analog time clocks with any amount of speed and accuracy. I understand how they work but my neurology has problems seeing it as an instant symbol.
However: It's not true at all that they're EASIER or more efficient than digital for anyone.
Same with me. I've had difficulty telling time with analog clocks since childhood.
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You still haven't explained why you think there was no financial benefit for lowering the cost of the OS X by over $100. You still haven't explained why there was no financial benefit to making iOS for iPod Touch free of charge. You still haven't explained why would even make iOS for the iPhone free of charge since you see no financial benefit to it being free. You still haven't explained why iCloud is free when MobileMe and .Mac cost money.</div></div><p> </p>
Why would I explain any of that? Nothing to do with anything I posted.
You need to explain how giving Mac OS for free saves Apple some $$.
You still haevn't explained why they would make iWork and iLife apps free when they were already, as you put it, "pretty much giving it away."
You seem to be reading from a different thread.
I never mentioned iLife/iWork. You brought up all this other stuff after you claimed, "Mac OS X could become free as a way of saving Apple money" (and never answering how).
How does Apple (or anyone) save money (not just earn more on other products) by giving stuff away?
Why would I explain any of that? Nothing to do with anything I posted.
You need to explain how giving Mac OS for free saves Apple some $$.
You seem to be reading from a different thread.
I never mentioned iLife/iWork. You brought up all this other stuff after you claimed, "Mac OS X could become free as a way of saving Apple money" (and never answering how).
How does Apple (or anyone) save money (not just earn more on other products) by giving stuff away?
Everything I stated is all part of the same way Apple can make money and save money by lowering the price of a product. This has been explained to you ad nauseum and you have both ignored it and scurried your way around every question I've asked as to how the lowering of the price of anything can be financially beneficial. If you can't understand the benefits of getting more users on the same OS version then there really is no hope for you.
Everything I stated is all part of the same way Apple can make money and save money by lowering the price of a product..
Earning $$$ on sales of other products ? Saving $$$ on spending. [quote]This has been explained to you ad nauseum[/quote] Posting irrelevant info three times (and still not answering my one line question) is not "ad nauseum" by any stretch of the imagination...
Reducing costs SAVES MONEY. You keep arguing against that simple fact and you're simply dead wrong.
So giving OS X away for free reduces support costs because they have to support less people on the old system,? Okay. It could. But it would still reduce support costs if they charged $20 for it AND they would get something of a return on it. [quote]Reducing costs SAVES MONEY. You keep arguing against that simple fact and you're simply dead wrong.[/quote] I never posted anything suggesting this.
So giving OS X away for free reduces support costs because they have to support less people on the old system,?
Okay. It could.
But it would still reduce support costs if they charged $20 for it AND they would get something of a return on it.
Which is exactly what I said and exactly what you ignored. In fact, you said that at $20 it's practically being given away already. I asked you repeatedly why you you thought Apple received no financial benefit from lowering the price by over $100 from just a few years ago. You couldn't answer it even though I had already answered it before you posted.
One last time I'll ask you: Why would Apple take SW and services that once cost money and make them free? You still claim that some direct revenue is better than no direct revenue in the grande scheme of things. How is it you can't see that there are ways Apple (or any company) end up with a net increase by offering something for less?
Your claim that it's not better for them (note you wrote that something is better than nothing even again in this post I am quoting) means you believe Apple does not benefit overall by iCloud, iOS, iWork and iLife having no direct cost for the consumer.
I never posted anything suggesting this.
Every time you claimed that it's not true that reducing costs saved money you did.
So to reiterate my original comment: At some point, just like with each lowering of the cost of OS X it could make financial sense for Apple to offer OS X for free.
Um, I don't see or know many people who wear watches. Myself and my friends use our iPhones. I can't think of the last person I saw wearing a watch, but I'm not seeking it out. I also do not like the feeling of watches strapped to my arm. Clothing is enough physical constraint.
Just curious- how old are you and where do you live? That might shine more light on your anecdote. I'm in the Dallas area- and in the professional realm- 30 years old. I wear a watch- although I never did 6+ years ago- as do most of my counterparts at the higher end restaurants, etc. But these are only used as fashion pieces and you rarely see phones on the table.
I often get compliments on my watches from females. Most of the time when I'm just wearing a casual every day white-faced $80 fossil watch- not even my nice ones. So it's definitely noticed.
Just curious- how old are you and where do you live? That might shine more light on your anecdote. I'm in the Dallas area- and in the professional realm- 30 years old. I wear a watch- although I never did 6+ years ago- as do most of my counterparts at the higher end restaurants, etc. But these are only used as fashion pieces and you rarely see phones on the table.
I often get compliments on my watches from females. Most of the time when I'm just wearing a casual every day white-faced $80 fossil watch- not even my nice ones. So it's definitely noticed.
Ever since I got my iPhone I stopped wearing a watch also. I never liked watches anyway, since I'd inevitably get caught on something (shirt, cord, backpack, etc.).
Ever since I got my iPhone I stopped wearing a watch also. I never liked watches anyway, since I'd inevitably get caught on something (shirt, cord, backpack, etc.).
Me too, but I stopped wearing a watch as soon as I got a cellphone. However that's because a cell phone had the same functions that a watch had. This is not what is meant when people talk about an iWatch.
So it's been about 20 years since I've worn a watch and yet I have been very, very interested in wearable electronics. None of them had the minimum feature set I wanted until the Fitbit Force was announced a couple weeks ago. I pre-ordered it; it should ship in a week or so, which give me enough time to cancel it if Apple has their own to announce today. I love the idea that my steps are counted and my sleep efficiency s measured. I wish t did my pulse but MotionX 24/7 does that with the iPhone camera and flash with enough convenience and accuracy that I can live without it for now.
One last time I'll ask you: Why would Apple take SW and services that once cost money and make them free?
So they can make more money elsewhere.
Their costs are not lowered.
How is it you can't see that there are ways Apple (or any company) end up with a net increase by offering something for less?
I can see how it would be a gain. But they spend the same amount, not less, which you claimed.
Your claim that it's not better for them (note you wrote that something is better than nothing even again in this post I am quoting) means you believe Apple does not benefit overall by iCloud, iOS, iWork and iLife having no direct cost for the consumer.
Is English not your native language and you are using some awkward translation tool?
Selling more product does not mean they spend less (save money). It simply means they earn more than they would have.
So to reiterate my original comment: At some point, just like with each lowering of the cost of OS X it could make financial sense for Apple to offer OS X for free.
I totally agree.
They will spend the same amount (no savings) and have an increase in earnings.
So they can make more money elsewhere.
Their costs are not lowered.
Sure they are. If they can get 95% of the client base on the same OS within a few months of it being released they can reduce costs in supporting older OSes. This means they don't have to train new employees on iOS 4 or 5 or 6 but instead train them on iOS 7. This reduces the training time significantly and makes it easier all around. Less time means less cost. Surely you've heard that time is money. This is a factual statement in business.
But surely someone will come in with an older iDevice that can't run iOS 7. So what then? The new guy isn't trained on it. Oh, well you get someone who has experience with it; a senior tech if it's an OS specific issue. But this means you don't have to train the majority of your employees for supporting an excessive number of older OSes. This also means that if someone comes in with an issue on their iPhone 4 running iOS 6 you can say they should upgrade to iOS 7 and they probably will but if it cost $19.99 (like the original IOS update for the iPod Touch did) you wouldn't be able to get as many people to update.
This is very simple economics and no way are you correct that support costs, 3rd-party development costs, and user costs are NOT lowered by iOS being free of charge.
This very simple economics and no way are you correct that support costs, 3rd-party development costs, and user costs are NOT lowered by iOS being free of charge.
Where did I state this?
And if you have "an older OS", most likely you are going to have to pay for support.
If you purchased 3 year AppleCare, this support is paid for.
If it's older and not covered, you are going to have to pay for support.
And if you have "an older OS", most likely you are going to have to pay for support.
If you purchased 3 year AppleCare, this support is paid for.
If it's older and not covered, you are going to have to pay for support.
Every comment you've made stated this.
BTW, AppleCare for an iDevice is 2 years and you can make a Genius appointment for issues that are NOT covered under AppleCare.
No, I have not stated this. Please quit lying (and dragging on with inane/irrelevant comments). [quote] BTW, AppleCare for an iDevice is 2 years and you can make a Genius appointment for issues that are NOT covered under AppleCare.[/quote] Okay. Apple knows what the Genius bar is for. It is a value added service, which makes them money because people are more satisfied with Apple, so they will buy Apple products. Same as free iLife/iWork/iCloud. If Genius Bar had to take more than 20-30 minutes to fix a problem on something not under warranty, they would very likely charge you. But then again, the initial look/see at your out of warranty product at the Genius Bar is free, so Apple is saving money, right?
If they really wanted to save money, they'd get rid of Genius Bar. sheesh... "Lighten up, Francis..."
No, I have not stated this. Please quit lying (and dragging on with inane/irrelevant comments).
Okay. Apple knows what the Genius bar is for.
If they really wanted to save some money, they'd get rid of Genius Bar. However, it is a value added service, which makes them money because people are more satisfied with Apple.
And if they had to take more than 20-30 minutes to fix a problem on something not under warranty, they would very likely charge you.
But then again, the initial look/see at your out of warranty product at the Genius Bar is free, so Apple is saving money, right?
As I stated, Apple can PROFIT from selling more Macs from the added value and SAVE from not having support costs be as high. This is even more ridiculous today considering your assertion that making Mavericks free offers no benefit to Apple. You wanna dig your hole deeper because I can tell you I will not let your remarks slide?
time & time again. I (don't know why) I read it. Good for you.
[quote]As I stated, Apple can PROFIT from selling more Macs from the added value[/quote] I never disagreed with you. [quote]This is even more ridiculous today considering your assertion that making Mavericks free offers no benefit to Apple. [/quote] Where diid I mention Mavericks? Or that it is no benefit to Apple for giving it away?
FYI: Your google translations are not working very well.
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Um, I don't see or know many people who wear watches. Myself and my friends use our iPhones. I can't think of the last person I saw wearing a watch, but I'm not seeking it out. I also do not like the feeling of watches strapped to my arm. Clothing is enough physical constraint.
That is already the case. You can open all GarageBand projects in Logic. Logic has access to GarageBand's sounds as a consequence.
I figure any update will remove that since apple is likely now testing with iPhone 5S, this does seem like IOS is at its worst so far, maybe IOS 8 next year will remove the new problems.
Same with me. I've had difficulty telling time with analog clocks since childhood.
You still haven't explained why you think there was no financial benefit for lowering the cost of the OS X by over $100. You still haven't explained why there was no financial benefit to making iOS for iPod Touch free of charge. You still haven't explained why would even make iOS for the iPhone free of charge since you see no financial benefit to it being free. You still haven't explained why iCloud is free when MobileMe and .Mac cost money.</div></div><p> </p>
Why would I explain any of that? Nothing to do with anything I posted.
You need to explain how giving Mac OS for free saves Apple some $$. You seem to be reading from a different thread.
I never mentioned iLife/iWork. You brought up all this other stuff after you claimed, "Mac OS X could become free as a way of saving Apple money" (and never answering how).
How does Apple (or anyone) save money (not just earn more on other products) by giving stuff away?
Everything I stated is all part of the same way Apple can make money and save money by lowering the price of a product. This has been explained to you ad nauseum and you have both ignored it and scurried your way around every question I've asked as to how the lowering of the price of anything can be financially beneficial. If you can't understand the benefits of getting more users on the same OS version then there really is no hope for you.
Everything I stated is all part of the same way Apple can make money and save money by lowering the price of a product..
Earning $$$ on sales of other products ? Saving $$$ on spending.[quote]This has been explained to you ad nauseum[/quote]
Posting irrelevant info three times (and still not answering my one line question) is not "ad nauseum" by any stretch of the imagination...
Profit elsewhere ? saving
Saving = not spending
Reducing costs SAVES MONEY. You keep arguing against that simple fact and you're simply dead wrong.
Reducing costs SAVES MONEY. You keep arguing against that simple fact and you're simply dead wrong.
So giving OS X away for free reduces support costs because they have to support less people on the old system,?Okay. It could.
But it would still reduce support costs if they charged $20 for it AND they would get something of a return on it.
[quote]Reducing costs SAVES MONEY. You keep arguing against that simple fact and you're simply dead wrong.[/quote]
I never posted anything suggesting this.
Which is exactly what I said and exactly what you ignored. In fact, you said that at $20 it's practically being given away already. I asked you repeatedly why you you thought Apple received no financial benefit from lowering the price by over $100 from just a few years ago. You couldn't answer it even though I had already answered it before you posted.
One last time I'll ask you: Why would Apple take SW and services that once cost money and make them free? You still claim that some direct revenue is better than no direct revenue in the grande scheme of things. How is it you can't see that there are ways Apple (or any company) end up with a net increase by offering something for less?
Your claim that it's not better for them (note you wrote that something is better than nothing even again in this post I am quoting) means you believe Apple does not benefit overall by iCloud, iOS, iWork and iLife having no direct cost for the consumer.
Every time you claimed that it's not true that reducing costs saved money you did.
So to reiterate my original comment: At some point, just like with each lowering of the cost of OS X it could make financial sense for Apple to offer OS X for free.
Um, I don't see or know many people who wear watches. Myself and my friends use our iPhones. I can't think of the last person I saw wearing a watch, but I'm not seeking it out. I also do not like the feeling of watches strapped to my arm. Clothing is enough physical constraint.
Just curious- how old are you and where do you live? That might shine more light on your anecdote. I'm in the Dallas area- and in the professional realm- 30 years old. I wear a watch- although I never did 6+ years ago- as do most of my counterparts at the higher end restaurants, etc. But these are only used as fashion pieces and you rarely see phones on the table.
I often get compliments on my watches from females. Most of the time when I'm just wearing a casual every day white-faced $80 fossil watch- not even my nice ones. So it's definitely noticed.
Ever since I got my iPhone I stopped wearing a watch also. I never liked watches anyway, since I'd inevitably get caught on something (shirt, cord, backpack, etc.).
Me too, but I stopped wearing a watch as soon as I got a cellphone. However that's because a cell phone had the same functions that a watch had. This is not what is meant when people talk about an iWatch.
So it's been about 20 years since I've worn a watch and yet I have been very, very interested in wearable electronics. None of them had the minimum feature set I wanted until the Fitbit Force was announced a couple weeks ago. I pre-ordered it; it should ship in a week or so, which give me enough time to cancel it if Apple has their own to announce today. I love the idea that my steps are counted and my sleep efficiency s measured. I wish t did my pulse but MotionX 24/7 does that with the iPhone camera and flash with enough convenience and accuracy that I can live without it for now.
Their costs are not lowered. I can see how it would be a gain. But they spend the same amount, not less, which you claimed. Is English not your native language and you are using some awkward translation tool?
Selling more product does not mean they spend less (save money). It simply means they earn more than they would have. I totally agree.
They will spend the same amount (no savings) and have an increase in earnings.
No reply needed.
Sure they are. If they can get 95% of the client base on the same OS within a few months of it being released they can reduce costs in supporting older OSes. This means they don't have to train new employees on iOS 4 or 5 or 6 but instead train them on iOS 7. This reduces the training time significantly and makes it easier all around. Less time means less cost. Surely you've heard that time is money. This is a factual statement in business.
But surely someone will come in with an older iDevice that can't run iOS 7. So what then? The new guy isn't trained on it. Oh, well you get someone who has experience with it; a senior tech if it's an OS specific issue. But this means you don't have to train the majority of your employees for supporting an excessive number of older OSes. This also means that if someone comes in with an issue on their iPhone 4 running iOS 6 you can say they should upgrade to iOS 7 and they probably will but if it cost $19.99 (like the original IOS update for the iPod Touch did) you wouldn't be able to get as many people to update.
This is very simple economics and no way are you correct that support costs, 3rd-party development costs, and user costs are NOT lowered by iOS being free of charge.
And if you have "an older OS", most likely you are going to have to pay for support.
If you purchased 3 year AppleCare, this support is paid for.
If it's older and not covered, you are going to have to pay for support.
Every comment you've made stated this.
BTW, AppleCare for an iDevice is 2 years and you can make a Genius appointment for issues that are NOT covered under AppleCare.
Every comment you've made stated this.
No, I have not stated this. Please quit lying (and dragging on with inane/irrelevant comments).
[quote]
BTW, AppleCare for an iDevice is 2 years and you can make a Genius appointment for issues that are NOT covered under AppleCare.[/quote]
Okay. Apple knows what the Genius bar is for.
It is a value added service, which makes them money because people are more satisfied with Apple, so they will buy Apple products. Same as free iLife/iWork/iCloud.
If Genius Bar had to take more than 20-30 minutes to fix a problem on something not under warranty, they would very likely charge you.
But then again, the initial look/see at your out of warranty product at the Genius Bar is free, so Apple is saving money, right?
If they really wanted to save money, they'd get rid of Genius Bar.
sheesh...
"Lighten up, Francis..."
As I stated, Apple can PROFIT from selling more Macs from the added value and SAVE from not having support costs be as high. This is even more ridiculous today considering your assertion that making Mavericks free offers no benefit to Apple. You wanna dig your hole deeper because I can tell you I will not let your remarks slide?
As I stated,
time & time again. I (don't know why) I read it.Good for you.
[quote]As I stated, Apple can PROFIT from selling more Macs from the added value[/quote]
I never disagreed with you.
[quote]This is even more ridiculous today considering your assertion that making Mavericks free offers no benefit to Apple. [/quote]
Where diid I mention Mavericks? Or that it is no benefit to Apple for giving it away?
FYI: Your google translations are not working very well.