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Apple continues to do well and refine things in the high end limited growth phone market.
Samsung is left unchallenged by Apple in the still growing low end market.
Samsung sells more phones, Apple makes more money.
Samsung makes money from both Apple and Android. They make some money being an Apple supplier, and they make a ton more money supplying Android phones to the market.
Consumers get the benefit of the two companies going at it. Would have liked to see Windows phone or BB do a little better to really drive things but the current 'state of the market' looks okay to me.
A global duopoly--where the only mobile company apart from Apple to be making any significant money at all is directly copying Apple as closely as possible--is, to you, a competitive and/or healthy market?
It is interesting that the only risks/attempts being made in the entire global mobile market are MSFT/Nokia, Mozilla, and other efforts to target the very, very low end. Google is even giving up trying to copy iOS on the same level and is reverting to focus on low end feature phone type devices with super low, 4 year old specs like 512 MB of RAM.
Because when your product is advertising, you don’t have to have a good product or turn a hardware profit, you just need a billboard in front of lots of people. That worked so well in making the web a wonderful platform for vibrant software! Oh wait, not no it created a wasteland of phony SEO pages and crippled journalism, replacing it with what is effectively random access broadcast TV style content: shady ads, feeble content aimed at the toilet.
I think the point here is (and to use an automotive market analogy): comparing sales numbers of Samsung to Apple without a breakdown is like comparing General Motors to BMW. Sure GM overall may have sold more cars than BMW, but without a breakdown, we cannot assume that Cadillac was better selling than BMW; and that's exactly what Samsung is doing here. Comparing Apples to Apples + Lemons without differentiating between the two.
Anyone who has been following this from the beginning, years ago, will remember when Apple used to pummel Samsung in sales #s until one day Samsung got wise/sick of it/shamed and sent out a press release indicating they will no longer be providing sales breakdowns by model.
(Please forgive my example of comparing GM and Samsung, the two companies are on completely different levels of class, and unlike Samsung, GM has worked through R&D to position itself strongly as one of the best auto maker out there right now. But in terms of low end vs high end, the example stands.)
GM is one of the best auto makers? Really? Are you joking?
This is really interesting information, but I would have preferred it not be written in such a biased tone. The exact same points could have been made (more credibly, in fact) without all the snark.
I do think this is one area Apple isn't advancing the way they could. A couple years ago, the iPhone destroyed all other smartphones in everyday battery life. Today, they're still very good, but about as good as the best Android phones. With the next wave of Android devices coming out in Q1 2014, the bar might actually get moved by someone else.
I would have taken a bit less performance from the A7 (it certainly has the headroom), for an overall improvement in battery life. I hope the IP6 redefines battery life and pushes the industry forward. All day heavy use is a luxury that no phone IMO can meet yet - the top phones are pretty close for all day moderate use, but nothing can make it yet under heavy use.
Ah gotcha. So battery life doesn't really matter to you in the first place since all smartphones need to be charged pretty much every night anyway.
With 'normal' use, the battery level is around 40-50% after work. There are a couple situations when I travel and need the iPhone for navigation, the battery dropped to 20%.
You expect to see some bias in an article published in Appleinsider, but this one needs to be called out. The main finding of the article is actually quite interesting, but much of the backup is misleading.
For example, "Over the last fiscal year, Apple reported sales of 150 million iPhones. Unlike Samsung, Apple is not reporting an end to high end sales growth. Instead, Apple's high end is growing faster (26 percent) than than the overall phone industry (7 percent), according to CNET."
You could be led to believe that Apple is growing much faster than the smartphone industry, because that's where Apple competes, but that's not the case. The 7% quoted is for the entire mobile phone industry, which includes 'feature phones'. The growth for smartphones from the quoted article is 45%. Comparing 26% growth to 7% versus 45% could lead to different conclusions!
Another example, "That's a serious problem for Samsung, which makes about two thirds of its total profits from smartphone sales. Apple also relies very heavily upon iPhone sales, but it also has profitable Mac, iPad and iTunes, software and service related businesses, which generate ten times the profit of Samsung's struggling Chromebook netbook, Android tablet and Windows PC sales."
This is just plain stupid. Samsung is a widely diversified company, selling everything from Washing Machines to TVs to Semiconductors.
Apple is much more focused and has a relatively limited set of products, many of which are interconnected, meaning a loss in one area will affect another.
But... but... but Android is winning and Apple is doomed. If Samsung were an American company sitting in Apple's place right now they'd probably have a share price of around $2000. Samsung would be the perfect company for Wall Street investors when it comes to having to have the highest amount of market share possible. Samsung believes in beating rivals to death and eliminating all competition. It would be great to be a shareholder of a company like that. There would never be any worries about any smaller companies coming up and taking away market share because they'd quickly go out of business.
Apple is stupid to just let Samsung do as they please. Apple could have been in the top position in the smartphone and tablet industry and they just let Samsung take it away in about a six months time-frame and Apple shareholders paid dearly for that blunder. Apple still hasn't recovered those lost tens of billions of market cap. Now with Samsung openly gunning for them, Apple shareholders might as well just give up hoping for an Apple rebound.
Apple is simply going to continue on its own path of building high%u2013quality products for the elite and Samsung is going to drown Apple with a massive flood of devices aimed at every consumer on the planet. It will ruin Apple shareholders and drive potential investors away from Apple in droves. Apple will be lucky to be worth anything when this war is over.
There are a lot of people, including much of Wall Street that view things as you do.
The counter to your argument is to view Apple in its entirety and not as a purveyor of single devices. Apple is building and needs to continue to build an entire ecosystem which when used together works better than a hodgepodge of competing devices. If Apple can build an entire set of products that work together very well, and solve real-world problems, they can beat Samsung and others. Samsung is poor at software (and obviously is almost entirely reliant on Google for much of their mobile platforms) and is also not particularly good at integration (a watch that only works with one of their own smartphones comes to mind).
If you compare a Mac, Apple TV, iPhone and an iPad Mini with a Lenovo/Microsoft PC, Roku, LG/Google Nexus 5 and ASUS/Google Nexus 7, arguably each device when compared to its counterpart is roughly equivalent. However, in combination, the Apple products work much better together than the 'team' of devices that comprise 6 different companies. Apple needs to continue to grow the capabilities of this combination of products and add to it. If they can continue to do so, they can charge a premium and remain, at very least, a strong niche player.
Do you think Samsung only makes 60% of android profits? If so, go read more. Samsung sells the most premium android phones by far.
That's why everyone else is losing money and not proud enough of their sales numbers to even report them.
I agree Samsung is dominating the other OEMs but I'm pretty sure that they (HTC, Motorola, LG, and Sony) together sell more than 50% of Samsung's volume of high-end phones, which is how much they would need to sell to outsell the iPhone.
That's the advantage Android has, they can jump ship to whatever hardware platforms offers best in class. (Note : I did not see any battery usage benchmarks on the baytrail yet, anyone ?)
And all you lose are the thousands of games developed using the NDK (or take a serious downgrade on performance).
Again, you're not giving any specifics. Which carriers? Do you have a link?
Also, Android 2.x is capable of running apps. I think you already knew that though.
Is that why java programs run so badly on my S4?
Developers have to make sure they also work on pieces of junk like this.
I wonder when my S4 will get 4.3, seeing as how 4.4 has been released, I'd root it and install some dodgy ROM from XDA but that will void the warranty.
Which reminds me, I must turn the wifi on on the iPhone 4 I use as an iPod in my car and install the 7.03 update.
Developers have to make sure they also work on pieces of junk like this.
I wonder when my S4 will get 4.3, seeing as how 4.4 has been released, I'd root it and install some dodgy ROM from XDA but that will void the warranty.
Which reminds me, I must turn the wifi on on the iPhone 4 I use as an iPod in my car and install the 7.03 update.
Surprised your Australian S4 didn't get the 4.3 update already as it's been rolled out to international devices for some time according to the link. I'll assume it must be a Telstra holdup, especially since they're saying the 4.3 update for the year older Galaxy S3 won't be offered until sometime between Nov. and Dec. If accurate most US S3 models will have received the update before you guys in Australia do.
EDIT: About that basic phone you linked: The latest Android version, KitKat, would work just fine on it despite the poor internals and ridiculously minimal memory. No thanks to Samsung.
And all you lose are the thousands of games developed using the NDK (or take a serious downgrade on performance).
You can recompile for the x86 ndk (or use emulation, but this has a performance hit), not a big deal, and comparable to offering 32 and 64 bit binaries on iOS. And ofcourse you have to use the NDK in the first place (most games do, most apps don't)
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Looks win/win to me.
Apple continues to do well and refine things in the high end limited growth phone market.
Samsung is left unchallenged by Apple in the still growing low end market.
Samsung sells more phones, Apple makes more money.
Samsung makes money from both Apple and Android. They make some money being an Apple supplier, and they make a ton more money supplying Android phones to the market.
Consumers get the benefit of the two companies going at it. Would have liked to see Windows phone or BB do a little better to really drive things but the current 'state of the market' looks okay to me.
A global duopoly--where the only mobile company apart from Apple to be making any significant money at all is directly copying Apple as closely as possible--is, to you, a competitive and/or healthy market?
It is interesting that the only risks/attempts being made in the entire global mobile market are MSFT/Nokia, Mozilla, and other efforts to target the very, very low end. Google is even giving up trying to copy iOS on the same level and is reverting to focus on low end feature phone type devices with super low, 4 year old specs like 512 MB of RAM.
Because when your product is advertising, you don’t have to have a good product or turn a hardware profit, you just need a billboard in front of lots of people. That worked so well in making the web a wonderful platform for vibrant software! Oh wait, not no it created a wasteland of phony SEO pages and crippled journalism, replacing it with what is effectively random access broadcast TV style content: shady ads, feeble content aimed at the toilet.
There might be a reason Daniel only shows specific battery tests for Web-browsing over LTE.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/7335/the-iphone-5s-review/9
The battery talk time is important for people who uses 'smartphone' only as a feature phone.
Why "only"? Nobody talks on smartphones?
Why "only"? Nobody talks on smartphones?
If you 'USE' smartphone, you need to recharge it every night or two.
There might be a reason Daniel only shows specific battery tests for Web-browsing over LTE.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/7335/the-iphone-5s-review/9
I do think this is one area Apple isn't advancing the way they could. A couple years ago, the iPhone destroyed all other smartphones in everyday battery life. Today, they're still very good, but about as good as the best Android phones. With the next wave of Android devices coming out in Q1 2014, the bar might actually get moved by someone else.
I would have taken a bit less performance from the A7 (it certainly has the headroom), for an overall improvement in battery life. I hope the IP6 redefines battery life and pushes the industry forward. All day heavy use is a luxury that no phone IMO can meet yet - the top phones are pretty close for all day moderate use, but nothing can make it yet under heavy use.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/7376/samsung-galaxy-note-3-review/3
Ah gotcha. So battery life doesn't really matter to you in the first place since all smartphones need to be charged pretty much every night anyway.
Ah gotcha. So battery life doesn't really matter to you in the first place since all smartphones need to be charged pretty much every night anyway.
With 'normal' use, the battery level is around 40-50% after work. There are a couple situations when I travel and need the iPhone for navigation, the battery dropped to 20%.
You expect to see some bias in an article published in Appleinsider, but this one needs to be called out. The main finding of the article is actually quite interesting, but much of the backup is misleading.
For example, "Over the last fiscal year, Apple reported sales of 150 million iPhones. Unlike Samsung, Apple is not reporting an end to high end sales growth. Instead, Apple's high end is growing faster (26 percent) than than the overall phone industry (7 percent), according to CNET."
You could be led to believe that Apple is growing much faster than the smartphone industry, because that's where Apple competes, but that's not the case. The 7% quoted is for the entire mobile phone industry, which includes 'feature phones'. The growth for smartphones from the quoted article is 45%. Comparing 26% growth to 7% versus 45% could lead to different conclusions!
Another example, "That's a serious problem for Samsung, which makes about two thirds of its total profits from smartphone sales. Apple also relies very heavily upon iPhone sales, but it also has profitable Mac, iPad and iTunes, software and service related businesses, which generate ten times the profit of Samsung's struggling Chromebook netbook, Android tablet and Windows PC sales."
This is just plain stupid. Samsung is a widely diversified company, selling everything from Washing Machines to TVs to Semiconductors.
Apple is much more focused and has a relatively limited set of products, many of which are interconnected, meaning a loss in one area will affect another.
But... but... but Android is winning and Apple is doomed. If Samsung were an American company sitting in Apple's place right now they'd probably have a share price of around $2000. Samsung would be the perfect company for Wall Street investors when it comes to having to have the highest amount of market share possible. Samsung believes in beating rivals to death and eliminating all competition. It would be great to be a shareholder of a company like that. There would never be any worries about any smaller companies coming up and taking away market share because they'd quickly go out of business.
Apple is stupid to just let Samsung do as they please. Apple could have been in the top position in the smartphone and tablet industry and they just let Samsung take it away in about a six months time-frame and Apple shareholders paid dearly for that blunder. Apple still hasn't recovered those lost tens of billions of market cap. Now with Samsung openly gunning for them, Apple shareholders might as well just give up hoping for an Apple rebound.
Apple is simply going to continue on its own path of building high%u2013quality products for the elite and Samsung is going to drown Apple with a massive flood of devices aimed at every consumer on the planet. It will ruin Apple shareholders and drive potential investors away from Apple in droves. Apple will be lucky to be worth anything when this war is over.
There are a lot of people, including much of Wall Street that view things as you do.
The counter to your argument is to view Apple in its entirety and not as a purveyor of single devices. Apple is building and needs to continue to build an entire ecosystem which when used together works better than a hodgepodge of competing devices. If Apple can build an entire set of products that work together very well, and solve real-world problems, they can beat Samsung and others. Samsung is poor at software (and obviously is almost entirely reliant on Google for much of their mobile platforms) and is also not particularly good at integration (a watch that only works with one of their own smartphones comes to mind).
If you compare a Mac, Apple TV, iPhone and an iPad Mini with a Lenovo/Microsoft PC, Roku, LG/Google Nexus 5 and ASUS/Google Nexus 7, arguably each device when compared to its counterpart is roughly equivalent. However, in combination, the Apple products work much better together than the 'team' of devices that comprise 6 different companies. Apple needs to continue to grow the capabilities of this combination of products and add to it. If they can continue to do so, they can charge a premium and remain, at very least, a strong niche player.
I agree Samsung is dominating the other OEMs but I'm pretty sure that they (HTC, Motorola, LG, and Sony) together sell more than 50% of Samsung's volume of high-end phones, which is how much they would need to sell to outsell the iPhone.
He is Dilger!
And all you lose are the thousands of games developed using the NDK (or take a serious downgrade on performance).
Again, you're not giving any specifics. Which carriers? Do you have a link?
Also, Android 2.x is capable of running apps. I think you already knew that though.
Is that why java programs run so badly on my S4?
Developers have to make sure they also work on pieces of junk like this.
I wonder when my S4 will get 4.3, seeing as how 4.4 has been released, I'd root it and install some dodgy ROM from XDA but that will void the warranty.
Which reminds me, I must turn the wifi on on the iPhone 4 I use as an iPod in my car and install the 7.03 update.
Update schedule here:
http://www.ibtimes.com/android-43-jelly-bean-update-leaked-release-schedule-us-samsung-galaxy-models-suggests-verizon
Surprised your Australian S4 didn't get the 4.3 update already as it's been rolled out to international devices for some time according to the link. I'll assume it must be a Telstra holdup, especially since they're saying the 4.3 update for the year older Galaxy S3 won't be offered until sometime between Nov. and Dec. If accurate most US S3 models will have received the update before you guys in Australia do.
EDIT: About that basic phone you linked: The latest Android version, KitKat, would work just fine on it despite the poor internals and ridiculously minimal memory. No thanks to Samsung.
And all you lose are the thousands of games developed using the NDK (or take a serious downgrade on performance).
You can recompile for the x86 ndk (or use emulation, but this has a performance hit), not a big deal, and comparable to offering 32 and 64 bit binaries on iOS. And ofcourse you have to use the NDK in the first place (most games do, most apps don't)