Exactly. It's the versatility and durability of Apple's ecosystem that drives customer loyalty and repeat purchases. Last month I upgraded from a three-year-old iPhone 4 to a 5s . I decided that enough additional features had been introduced over that timespan that made it worthwhile in my situation to take advantage of them. There is a great comfort factor in being able to restore all my earlier content and apps to the new device with no fear of it being lost, inaccessible or unusable.
The ecosystem may also be the telling factor in iPhone repeat purchase loyalty among customers under 50. Through much of their earlier productive adulthood, they've increasingly incorporated Apple devices into their business and personal routines. Next time you go to the supermarket, pay attention to the ages of people who refer to their shopping lists on handheld devices and those who still clutch slips of paper. A larger portion of older folks are still dependent on pencil and paper to organize themselves. On any given day, we will see a lot of middle-agers and older in an Apple Retail Store. Nevertheless, those of us seniors who have made a comprehensive transition to Apple's ecosystem are somewhat the exception to the prevailing pattern in our age group.
"CIRP also noted this fall that Apple's customers represented more young adults between 18-24 and 25-34, while Samsung attracted more middle age buyers aged 35-54 and significantly more seniors aged 55 to 64, as well as more customers with lower incomes."
Each OS has its user base. Samsung is the winner among older users, Apple among younger users.
those this year who are 55-64 are the feature phone hold outs. looking for cheap and 'value.'' for lower incomes... size is bling therefore more value (super size it... conspicuous consumption, etc.).
That stats, to me, infer,
- More iPhone users are now 'buying' their first phone. Hand-me-downs, borrowed phones, etc are being upgraded to a 'new' phone. These will be 1st time low income buyers (previous phone is not 'previously bought phone'). This will be a 'value' phone... especially those who have 'one-Plus' use for phones (calling + texting, calling + Facebook, calling + ebay, calling+Large Print book reading).
- If Samsung is selling more phones, and Apple is poaching more Samsung previous owners than visa versa (22% vs 7%), this continues to show that the 2 market leaders will likely settle into a 45%-45% split of sales, and a 70-30 split on profits. Owning 70 Percent of all money to to made in a market is a good thing, right. Think of it like high-stakes poker. you don't have to win every hand, just the ones that earn the big table stakes. dump the losing hands (anything less than $200 profit per phone).
- Finally, in the end game, the 'hw' money will erode to ecosystem 'return on investment'. Android as one system will decay into many, With Samsung, LG, Google, and the carriers all fighting for your 'online dollar.' Apple and Amazon (one of the 1Plus user groups) , and soon Facebook (likely the Other) have serious customer delight barriers in place to keep their revenue growth up.
Samsung's (and LG's) strength is this field will be the 'Internet of Things' (Smart house/appliances.... think of a autoload kuerig that fires off an order to Samsung Prime to reload your half-cat-cap-latte cups automagically, and starts brewing your first cup in the morning when your phone moves from nightstand). That's why iWatch, and iTV are big for Apple... It's a bastion defense to have players in the 'IoT' home/world. (not that I relish the possibilities, but it will be the nature of the next 20 years).
Nope. I'm a huge Apple fan as my posts here will confirm. I happen to think it's hypocritical for AI commenters to disregard bad statistics when Apple is seen in a good light and promote bad stats if they make Apple look good. But your guess was quite predictable.
Ummm doesn't one need a bit more information? If one conglomerated OS sells 2-3X of the other OS, how does it make sense to compare percentages for switching?
Say Android had 300 million phone sales last year vs 100 million for iOS (purely theoretical numbers), then 20% of Android to iOS would be 20million users. 10% of iOS to Android would be 30 million users. Or did I miss something and did this company actually normalize for this?
In my experience, the reason why older people chose non iOS phones was the screen size, everything seemed larger including the keyboard which was "much easier to use".
Ummm doesn't one need a bit more information? If one conglomerated OS sells 2-3X of the other OS, how does it make sense to compare percentages for switching?
Say Android had 300 million phone sales last year vs 100 million for iOS (purely theoretical numbers), then 20% of Android to iOS would be 20million users. 10% of iOS to Android would be 30 million users. Or did I miss something and did this company actually normalize for this?
I thought this too, but the sample is only 400 iPhone buyers so I suspect it is not a global survey, just in the USA where iPhone has more users. However, I think it is also important to consider that the iPhone 5s/5c may not be perceived as a big enough change to existing iPhone owners, leaving more iPhone 5 (and below) users to stay with their current iPhones, which would also result in higher Android migrants.
Isn't that irrelevant since only 1 or 2 screens (HTC one and LG G2) are seen as "on pair" with the one used on the iPhone 5s and c?
It isn't downgrading at all since every other component (and the phone itself) is so superior. It's a game of trade-offs about better build quality, performance, design and ecosystem Vs a bigger screen.
Could you explain?
First the screen if the iphone 5s is NOT a HD screen.
Quick smartphone comparison between iphone 5s, LG G2, Samsung Note 3
Second, components superior not really, many of the iphone hardware components are made by Samsung, LG, Sony,etc. So the component quality is the same.
Third, performance, design and "ecosystem", there's no advantage or anything better on the iphone 5s that you cant get on any premium Android devices today like the LG G2, Samsung Note 3, etc.
There may be more apps available on the apple store just because it was released first, but you may pay more for those apps.
The true is that most of iphone users just don't know the true, but they believe they pay for a premium device while they just got an outdated device at the price of a premium device.
Second, components superior not really, many of the iphone hardware components are made by Samsung, LG, Sony,etc. So the component quality is the same.
Third, performance, design and "ecosystem", there's no advantage or anything better on the iphone 5s that you cant get on any premium Android devices today like the LG G2, Samsung Note 3, etc.
The true is that most of iphone users just don't know the true, but they believe they pay for a premium device while they just got an outdated device at the price of a premium device.
As an ongoing user of both systems, I have to disagree that the ecosystem is the same in regards to apps. There are stock trading apps and kid apps, especially educational ones, on iOS that simply are not available or not comparable on Android. There are niche appls, liek for learning disabilities and other medical conditions that are only available on iOS. That's not to say that the broader availability of Play Store media across TV's, computers, and mobile devices isn't superior on Android, but the app ecosystem isn't superior - in my opinion.
Wrong. My interpretation of the data presented was completely sound. I have a social science doctorate. Any freshman in an intro stats class will know YOU have no idea what you're talking about.
Second, components superior not really, many of the iphone hardware components are made by Samsung, LG, Sony,etc. So the component quality is the same.
Third, performance, design and "ecosystem", there's no advantage or anything better on the iphone 5s that you cant get on any premium Android devices today like the LG G2, Samsung Note 3, etc.
The true is that most of iphone users just don't know the true, but they believe they pay for a premium device while they just got an outdated device at the price of a premium device.
Of course it isn't, but it is better or as good as every single screen used on every single android device. So?
Yes Samsung and others manufacture some components, but that means 0. Since Samsung sells all the great LCD screens to Apple, they had to use inferior AMOLED displays (even today those displays are inferior), their CPUs are inferior (even the Qualcomm s800) and build quality, design or ecosystem is not even a contest.
Besides, what sets the iPhone apart from others is: Not only can an iPhone do everything an Android device can do, it can also make even the most basic things better.
I think that you are very misinformed. Maybe you should read a little more about the subject:
Meh. That sample is far too small and non-representative to adequately detect a reliable and generalizable effect. The article itself has far too little information to glean any context about how the data was collected.
It's called statistics.
"CIRP also noted this fall that Apple's customers represented more young adults between 18-24 and 25-34, while Samsung attracted more middle age buyers aged 35-54 and significantly more seniors aged 55 to 64, as well as more customers with lower incomes."
"CIRP also noted this fall that Apple's customers represented more young adults between 18-24 and 25-34, while Samsung attracted more middle age buyers aged 35-54 and significantly more seniors aged 55 to 64, as well as more customers with lower incomes."
Sammy needs to update its commercials.
I think it has more to do with the larger screens. Older people prefer / can see them better. No joke. I predict Apple will have one of its biggest growing periods in recent years once they launch a darn big-screened iPhone. Not having one has been a huge contributor to Android's gains.
Wrong. My interpretation of the data presented was completely sound. I have a social science doctorate. Any freshman in an intro stats class will know YOU have no idea what you're talking about.
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I don't see many users downgrading from a FULL HD premium smartphone to a tinynon-HD smartphone like the iphone, it's just not a smart choice.
It is a smart choice.
extra battery life for same display(brighter actually)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Soulbearer
First the screen if the iphone 5s is NOT a HD screen.
No one but spec whores care.
Quote:
Third, performance, design and "ecosystem", there's no advantage or anything better on the iphone 5s that you cant get on any premium Android devices today like the LG G2, Samsung Note 3, etc.
exactly how high are you??
Or do you think you can fully integrate any phone with your PCs and tablets??
or do you actually think that android is not lag land??
or do you seriously think you get all iOS apps on android??
or maybe you think the plastic case is equal to aluminium when it comes to quality??
Quote:
The true is that most of iphone users just don't know the true, but they believe they pay for a premium device while they just got an outdated device at the price of a premium device.
delusional much?
oh and in case it helps you the sarcasm tag is /s.
It's really a ridic sample. Useless data. You can't compare the 2 firms' percentage moves when the actual counts are so different. What does it matter if a small percent of samsung's customers were apple's if that amounts to a very small number versus going the other way.
Meh. That sample is far too small and non-representative to adequately detect a reliable and generalizable effect. The article itself has far too little information to glean any context about how the data was collected.
Doesn't stop the trolls on this site from posting "I haven't seen a single iPhone 5c on my commute to work, therefore nobody is buying them."
I bought a Nexus5 the other day, hoping to see what all the hoopla was about.
Here are my unvarnished opinions in comparison to my iPhone5. * 5" Screen is very nice and text is crisp - win over my iPhone5, but not as much as I'd thought. * Setup was ok, hiccuped a few times (had to reenter my wifi pwd twice, once for setup and once for update) - iPhone was flawless. * Can't add widgets to lock screen in KitKat 4.4 (yes, I've checked the security settings and enabled widgets - still no dice). At least my iPhone has "Today" pulldown with weather & meetings. * Swiftkey is cool, but takes 1/2 second to launch every time keyboard comes up - I went back to default Google keyboard, which is equivalent to iOS7 (iOS6 keyboard was best). * Some PDFs just don't render (e.g.: my router manual - RT-AC66u) in Chrome's renderer, which my iPhone handled fine. * There are 2 "browsers" - the Google app, and Chrome - it's hard to know where I did my searching. * Much prefer my iPhone's size and smoothness - hard to put the Nexus in a pocket, though once there it's about as comfy as the iPhone. * Bluetooth controls for Audible worked better on the Nexus (occasionally the iOS app will stop responding to BT controls). * My favorite games (Ascension, Carcassone) don't exist on Android. In fact, the selection of games is %u2026 insipid.
In short, I'm not finding it easy to jump to Android. If Apple makes a 5" or 6" iPhone, there will be no reason to use a Droid other than it's cheaper or you hate Apple.
I might just return this Nexus, or give it to my Dad and setup BigLauncher on it.
Is not just about specs, do you think you will enjoy better watching a movie on a non-HD TV vs a HD-TV? Of course not!
Higher resolution allow you to enjoy more watching videos, browsing the web, writing emails, playing games, etc.
You don't need to install anything on your Windows PC to transfer files between the PC and the smartphone or even the SD drive.
My Note 3 have no lag.
I don't see an application that I need to use that I don't have available on the Android Market.
On drop test, there is no advantage between aluminum or plastic smartphones, but the aluminum ones trend to get scratch easier. A case works for both to protect them.
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The ecosystem may also be the telling factor in iPhone repeat purchase loyalty among customers under 50. Through much of their earlier productive adulthood, they've increasingly incorporated Apple devices into their business and personal routines. Next time you go to the supermarket, pay attention to the ages of people who refer to their shopping lists on handheld devices and those who still clutch slips of paper. A larger portion of older folks are still dependent on pencil and paper to organize themselves. On any given day, we will see a lot of middle-agers and older in an Apple Retail Store. Nevertheless, those of us seniors who have made a comprehensive transition to Apple's ecosystem are somewhat the exception to the prevailing pattern in our age group.
Not yet, but thinking about it.
There's a 99% possibility that the Macbook Air is the way to go
"CIRP also noted this fall that Apple's customers represented more young adults between 18-24 and 25-34, while Samsung attracted more middle age buyers aged 35-54 and significantly more seniors aged 55 to 64, as well as more customers with lower incomes."
Each OS has its user base. Samsung is the winner among older users, Apple among younger users.
those this year who are 55-64 are the feature phone hold outs. looking for cheap and 'value.'' for lower incomes... size is bling therefore more value (super size it... conspicuous consumption, etc.).
That stats, to me, infer,
- More iPhone users are now 'buying' their first phone. Hand-me-downs, borrowed phones, etc are being upgraded to a 'new' phone. These will be 1st time low income buyers (previous phone is not 'previously bought phone'). This will be a 'value' phone... especially those who have 'one-Plus' use for phones (calling + texting, calling + Facebook, calling + ebay, calling+Large Print book reading).
- If Samsung is selling more phones, and Apple is poaching more Samsung previous owners than visa versa (22% vs 7%), this continues to show that the 2 market leaders will likely settle into a 45%-45% split of sales, and a 70-30 split on profits. Owning 70 Percent of all money to to made in a market is a good thing, right. Think of it like high-stakes poker. you don't have to win every hand, just the ones that earn the big table stakes. dump the losing hands (anything less than $200 profit per phone).
- Finally, in the end game, the 'hw' money will erode to ecosystem 'return on investment'. Android as one system will decay into many, With Samsung, LG, Google, and the carriers all fighting for your 'online dollar.' Apple and Amazon (one of the 1Plus user groups) , and soon Facebook (likely the Other) have serious customer delight barriers in place to keep their revenue growth up.
Samsung's (and LG's) strength is this field will be the 'Internet of Things' (Smart house/appliances.... think of a autoload kuerig that fires off an order to Samsung Prime to reload your half-cat-cap-latte cups automagically, and starts brewing your first cup in the morning when your phone moves from nightstand). That's why iWatch, and iTV are big for Apple... It's a bastion defense to have players in the 'IoT' home/world. (not that I relish the possibilities, but it will be the nature of the next 20 years).
Nope. I'm a huge Apple fan as my posts here will confirm. I happen to think it's hypocritical for AI commenters to disregard bad statistics when Apple is seen in a good light and promote bad stats if they make Apple look good. But your guess was quite predictable.
Ummm doesn't one need a bit more information? If one conglomerated OS sells 2-3X of the other OS, how does it make sense to compare percentages for switching?
Say Android had 300 million phone sales last year vs 100 million for iOS (purely theoretical numbers), then 20% of Android to iOS would be 20million users. 10% of iOS to Android would be 30 million users. Or did I miss something and did this company actually normalize for this?
Ummm doesn't one need a bit more information? If one conglomerated OS sells 2-3X of the other OS, how does it make sense to compare percentages for switching?
Say Android had 300 million phone sales last year vs 100 million for iOS (purely theoretical numbers), then 20% of Android to iOS would be 20million users. 10% of iOS to Android would be 30 million users. Or did I miss something and did this company actually normalize for this?
I thought this too, but the sample is only 400 iPhone buyers so I suspect it is not a global survey, just in the USA where iPhone has more users. However, I think it is also important to consider that the iPhone 5s/5c may not be perceived as a big enough change to existing iPhone owners, leaving more iPhone 5 (and below) users to stay with their current iPhones, which would also result in higher Android migrants.
Isn't that irrelevant since only 1 or 2 screens (HTC one and LG G2) are seen as "on pair" with the one used on the iPhone 5s and c?
It isn't downgrading at all since every other component (and the phone itself) is so superior. It's a game of trade-offs about better build quality, performance, design and ecosystem Vs a bigger screen.
Could you explain?
First the screen if the iphone 5s is NOT a HD screen.
Quick smartphone comparison between iphone 5s, LG G2, Samsung Note 3
http://www.phonearena.com/phones/compare/Samsung-Galaxy-Note-3,LG-G2,Apple-iPhone-5s/phones/7984,7969,7710
Screen resolution information:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Display_resolution
Second, components superior not really, many of the iphone hardware components are made by Samsung, LG, Sony,etc. So the component quality is the same.
Third, performance, design and "ecosystem", there's no advantage or anything better on the iphone 5s that you cant get on any premium Android devices today like the LG G2, Samsung Note 3, etc.
There may be more apps available on the apple store just because it was released first, but you may pay more for those apps.
The true is that most of iphone users just don't know the true, but they believe they pay for a premium device while they just got an outdated device at the price of a premium device.
I shouldn't have replied from my phone
First the screen if the iphone 5s is NOT a HD screen.
Quick smartphone comparison between iphone 5s, LG G2, Samsung Note 3
http://www.phonearena.com/phones/compare/Samsung-Galaxy-Note-3,LG-G2,Apple-iPhone-5s/phones/7984,7969,7710
Screen resolution information:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Display_resolution
Second, components superior not really, many of the iphone hardware components are made by Samsung, LG, Sony,etc. So the component quality is the same.
Third, performance, design and "ecosystem", there's no advantage or anything better on the iphone 5s that you cant get on any premium Android devices today like the LG G2, Samsung Note 3, etc.
The true is that most of iphone users just don't know the true, but they believe they pay for a premium device while they just got an outdated device at the price of a premium device.
As an ongoing user of both systems, I have to disagree that the ecosystem is the same in regards to apps. There are stock trading apps and kid apps, especially educational ones, on iOS that simply are not available or not comparable on Android. There are niche appls, liek for learning disabilities and other medical conditions that are only available on iOS. That's not to say that the broader availability of Play Store media across TV's, computers, and mobile devices isn't superior on Android, but the app ecosystem isn't superior - in my opinion.
Wrong. My interpretation of the data presented was completely sound. I have a social science doctorate. Any freshman in an intro stats class will know YOU have no idea what you're talking about.
First the screen if the iphone 5s is NOT a HD screen.
Quick smartphone comparison between iphone 5s, LG G2, Samsung Note 3
http://www.phonearena.com/phones/compare/Samsung-Galaxy-Note-3,LG-G2,Apple-iPhone-5s/phones/7984,7969,7710
Screen resolution information:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Display_resolution
Second, components superior not really, many of the iphone hardware components are made by Samsung, LG, Sony,etc. So the component quality is the same.
Third, performance, design and "ecosystem", there's no advantage or anything better on the iphone 5s that you cant get on any premium Android devices today like the LG G2, Samsung Note 3, etc.
The true is that most of iphone users just don't know the true, but they believe they pay for a premium device while they just got an outdated device at the price of a premium device.
Of course it isn't, but it is better or as good as every single screen used on every single android device. So?
Yes Samsung and others manufacture some components, but that means 0. Since Samsung sells all the great LCD screens to Apple, they had to use inferior AMOLED displays (even today those displays are inferior), their CPUs are inferior (even the Qualcomm s800) and build quality, design or ecosystem is not even a contest.
Besides, what sets the iPhone apart from others is: Not only can an iPhone do everything an Android device can do, it can also make even the most basic things better.
I think that you are very misinformed. Maybe you should read a little more about the subject:
http://anandtech.com/show/7335/
It's called statistics.
"CIRP also noted this fall that Apple's customers represented more young adults between 18-24 and 25-34, while Samsung attracted more middle age buyers aged 35-54 and significantly more seniors aged 55 to 64, as well as more customers with lower incomes."
Sammy needs to update its commercials.
It's called statistics.
"CIRP also noted this fall that Apple's customers represented more young adults between 18-24 and 25-34, while Samsung attracted more middle age buyers aged 35-54 and significantly more seniors aged 55 to 64, as well as more customers with lower incomes."
Sammy needs to update its commercials.
I think it has more to do with the larger screens. Older people prefer / can see them better. No joke. I predict Apple will have one of its biggest growing periods in recent years once they launch a darn big-screened iPhone. Not having one has been a huge contributor to Android's gains.
Hey, welcome to an ecosystem that makes sense.
Wait...
there is an android ecosystem???
I don't see many users downgrading from a FULL HD premium smartphone to a tiny non-HD smartphone like the iphone, it's just not a smart choice.
It is a smart choice.
extra battery life for same display(brighter actually)
First the screen if the iphone 5s is NOT a HD screen.
No one but spec whores care.
Third, performance, design and "ecosystem", there's no advantage or anything better on the iphone 5s that you cant get on any premium Android devices today like the LG G2, Samsung Note 3, etc.
exactly how high are you??
Or do you think you can fully integrate any phone with your PCs and tablets??
or do you actually think that android is not lag land??
or do you seriously think you get all iOS apps on android??
or maybe you think the plastic case is equal to aluminium when it comes to quality??
delusional much?
oh and in case it helps you the sarcasm tag is /s.
It's really a ridic sample. Useless data. You can't compare the 2 firms' percentage moves when the actual counts are so different. What does it matter if a small percent of samsung's customers were apple's if that amounts to a very small number versus going the other way.
Doesn't stop the trolls on this site from posting "I haven't seen a single iPhone 5c on my commute to work, therefore nobody is buying them."
Here are my unvarnished opinions in comparison to my iPhone5.
* 5" Screen is very nice and text is crisp - win over my iPhone5, but not as much as I'd thought.
* Setup was ok, hiccuped a few times (had to reenter my wifi pwd twice, once for setup and once for update) - iPhone was flawless.
* Can't add widgets to lock screen in KitKat 4.4 (yes, I've checked the security settings and enabled widgets - still no dice). At least my iPhone has "Today" pulldown with weather & meetings.
* Swiftkey is cool, but takes 1/2 second to launch every time keyboard comes up - I went back to default Google keyboard, which is equivalent to iOS7 (iOS6 keyboard was best).
* Some PDFs just don't render (e.g.: my router manual - RT-AC66u) in Chrome's renderer, which my iPhone handled fine.
* There are 2 "browsers" - the Google app, and Chrome - it's hard to know where I did my searching.
* Much prefer my iPhone's size and smoothness - hard to put the Nexus in a pocket, though once there it's about as comfy as the iPhone.
* Bluetooth controls for Audible worked better on the Nexus (occasionally the iOS app will stop responding to BT controls).
* My favorite games (Ascension, Carcassone) don't exist on Android. In fact, the selection of games is %u2026 insipid.
In short, I'm not finding it easy to jump to Android. If Apple makes a 5" or 6" iPhone, there will be no reason to use a Droid other than it's cheaper or you hate Apple.
I might just return this Nexus, or give it to my Dad and setup BigLauncher on it.
Wait...
there is an android ecosystem???
It is a smart choice.
extra battery life for same display(brighter actually)
No one but spec whores care.
exactly how high are you??
Or do you think you can fully integrate any phone with your PCs and tablets??
or do you actually think that android is not lag land??
or do you seriously think you get all iOS apps on android??
or maybe you think the plastic case is equal to aluminium when it comes to quality??
delusional much?
oh and in case it helps you the sarcasm tag is /s.
Battery life is a lot better on my Note 3 that on the iphone 5s.
http://www.examiner.com/article/samsung-galaxy-note-3-and-iphone-5s-compete-for-best-smartphone
Is not just about specs, do you think you will enjoy better watching a movie on a non-HD TV vs a HD-TV? Of course not!
Higher resolution allow you to enjoy more watching videos, browsing the web, writing emails, playing games, etc.
You don't need to install anything on your Windows PC to transfer files between the PC and the smartphone or even the SD drive.
My Note 3 have no lag.
I don't see an application that I need to use that I don't have available on the Android Market.
On drop test, there is no advantage between aluminum or plastic smartphones, but the aluminum ones trend to get scratch easier. A case works for both to protect them.
http://www.phonedog.com/2013/03/16/what-s-wrong-with-plastic-smartphones/
The true, is that there's nothing better on the iphone 5s than on the LG G2 or the Note 3 for example.