Wait she shouldnt be ruling on this case because somehow this was a part of the original trial. She didnt seem to think Apple didnt deserve a payout for the four patents when this case originally was tried.
Folks, whether the judge is correct or not this money will not have a big effect on Apple, what matters is that Samsung stops copying and Google stops facilitating the copying of Apple's IP to its partners. The RockStar case is still on going...
Apple is doing a very good job protecting its IP from the likes of Google, Samsung and others and that's what matters going forward.
what matters is that Samsung stops copying and Google stops facilitating the copying of Apple's IP to its partners. The RockStar case is still on going...
It seems a lot of hopes are being pinned on the Rockstar stuff.
Anyone making ignorant comments about Lucy Koh. She was born in Washington D.C. and attended Harvard. She most likely has never even been to Korea. So the shill for Samsung doesn't really hold water. Apple this was never going to be a win for Apple. Even if they got 400 Million that is a speeding ticket for Samsung.
However I do believe she is a shill for the Mayor of Toronto seeing she did make comment about smoking crack.
This judge is an absolute hack. She just seriously damaged Apple's case in the eyes of this jury by invalidating the pursuit of these patents after the trail had started - she has tainted the case. All of the evidence at trail, taken as a whole, proves that Samesung willfully stole Apple's IP and claimed it as their own by producing knockoff copies of the iPhone and iPad. She's a real POS.
This argument ' Apple argues that by copying its designs, Samsung has taken away a portion of the consumer base that would have otherwise purchased the iPhone or iPad.' , leads me to believe the Samsubg is 'as good or better' than the Apple. My HTC looks like that design but is admittedly a lower tier hardware device. So, no valid argument based on design. This is akin to comparing the Ford Fusion grille to the Aston Martin. Can Aston claim lost sales to a Ford just because the grille design is an obvious ripoff? I think not.
Go get yourself a good education before you make such stupid comments. Start by studying the evidence that was presented at trail. Samsung's own documents presented as evidence in the case showed how they deliberately and willfully set out to copy virtually every single aspect of the iPhone, down to the package design including the typeface. Samsung, and the Korean companies in general, are the most mistrusted in Asia due to their unethical and illegal business practices. Samsung has been prosecuted and fined around the world for their behavior in the past. Most recently they were fined by Taiwan for hiring college students to post fake negative blog posts against HTC. That is clear cut example of what a scumbag company they are - they consistently thumb their noses at the law.
This argument ' Apple argues that by copying its designs, Samsung has taken away a portion of the consumer base that would have otherwise purchased the iPhone or iPad.' , leads me to believe the Samsubg is 'as good or better' than the Apple. My HTC looks like that design but is admittedly a lower tier hardware device. So, no valid argument based on design. This is akin to comparing the Ford Fusion grille to the Aston Martin. Can Aston claim lost sales to a Ford just because the grille design is an obvious ripoff? I think not.
That's like saying if I steal from someone who is rich it's not really stealing because hey that person has lots of money. Stealing is stealing even if ford ripped off the Aston grill and it doesn't hurt Aston it's still stealing. Samsung shouldn't be allowed to steal apple designs just because hey apple's rich and can take it.
So Samsung still guilty of infringing those four patents and will pay damages for having done so. Judge Koh only ruled that additional damages for lost profits on those four wasn't proven by Apple. That's quite different than the AI article implied.
If this is indeed the case, it wouldn't be the first time the shoddy "reporting" here got everyone in an uproar.
<div class="quote-container" data-huddler-embed="/t/160763/judge-whittles-apple-v-samsung-case-down-to-one-patent-as-schiller-concludes-testimony#post_2435743" data-huddler-embed-placeholder="false"><span>Quote:</span><div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>w00master</strong> <a href="/t/160763/judge-whittles-apple-v-samsung-case-down-to-one-patent-as-schiller-concludes-testimony#post_2435743"><img src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" class="inlineimg" alt="View Post"/></a>Cannot believe all of the racist comments on here.<p> </p></div>
Can't say I have seen any racist comments at all.
Yes, there are a few comments about race (asian/korean), but nothing that is racist.
That's like saying if I steal from someone who is rich it's not really stealing because hey that person has lots of money. Stealing is stealing even if ford ripped off the Aston grill and it doesn't hurt Aston it's still stealing. Samsung shouldn't be allowed to steal apple designs just because hey apple's rich and can take it.
If someone stole the grill from your Aston, you could take them to court. Suppose they were found guilty of stealing it, what's next? A decision has to be made how much the thief has to pay you back for stealing an Aston grill.
Samsung has already been ruled guilty and is a thief- the only question here is how much do they owe.
Samsungs argument is basically: "An Astron grill costs $15,000 dollars- that is what we owe"
Apples argument is along the lines of: "So much work went into designing that, that we deserve compensation for that. Not only that, but the thief put our grill design on select Ford models and a whole bunch of people bought those models. Clearly that is the major reason all those people bought Fords, if Ford had not sold all those models with Aston grills on them, all of those Ford buyers would have bought Aston Martin's instead so we deserve all those profits that we "lost"
That last part is the only thing the judge has thrown out by saying Apple didn't provide sufficient evidence to prove that claim. All 5 of the patents are still 'valid' in terms of the case, Apple just can't run up the tab on 4 of the 5 them for lost profits (but all 5 will be used in the other calculations besides the lost profits argument)
I'm not sure which person you're referring to, but it is ridiculous to pay attention to the race of the judge regardless of if they're "blowing off steam". Similarly if the judge was White, you wouldn't claim that they are biased against a company that is not headquartered in the US. Certain comments irritate me in a unique way simply because they represent idiotic viewpoints that are entirely devoid of logic.
I know I'm not the only cell phone user that's so very sick of all this mess with Apple vs Samsung everytime you turn around. It's really gotten old & stupid. I'm truly hoping this judge is the one to finally stop THE MADNESS. I own an I-phone 5 & I also own a Samsung Galaxy S-3. Right now I'm using my I-phone. I switch up about every 6 months or so. Both phones have their different qualities about them. I could make a list of things I like about one & the things I dis-like about the other. But that would really be pointless because this goes for every single cell phone out that that's made by a different company. I research cell phones before I go in for an up-grade. I liked the Samsung over the I-phone 4. And I didn't find a Droid I liked. So I purchased the Samsung. Then the I-phone 5 came out & I really liked the bigger screen & it had alot of features I loved; so I ended up just buying it outright from the Apple Store.
I have an upgrade next Sept. & right now there are two phones that are in the top running as of now. I know the I-phone 6 will be out & Verizon is also releasing another Samsung. But this time it may be one of the new Droids that's coming out that I may decide on. So I look at it like this. Apple NEEDS to quit crying foul everytime they have a bad sales quarter. That's the ONLY time they do this. And I know from talking with many other cell phone users that it's like Apple wants to be the ONLY company people buy their cell phones from. But that's NEVER going to happen, because EVERYONE has different tastes when buying ANY product. Bottom line is this. Apple is guilty of doing the same thing Samsung has already pleaded guilty to. Apple really needs to be concentrating on the NEW I-phone 6. They had NEVER suffered a quarter loss when Steve Jobs had the company. But they suffered TWO this past year. Bottom line is this: IT'S TIME TO PUT THIS MESS ASIDE & GET BACK TO THE BASICS OF WHAT APPLE DOES WELL. AND THAT'S MAKING APPLE PRODUCTS PERIOD. Have a great day everyone.
Too bad none of the legal geniuses here can cite chapter and verse of the judge's alleged judicial malfeasance. Because that would really go a long way to elucidating the topic of her "consulting for Samsung".
i wonder if this is a deal between apple and samsung:
samsung: because we really need your manufacturing partnership to stay afloat, we'll make you a deal: we publicly apologize for stealing your designs to appear contrite and guilty%u2014we appear honorable and just, you agree to make some concessions (insert koh here) on your lawsuit to give the appearance of being defeated, therefore humbled and contrite. after a few weeks, we continue a mutually beneficial business partnership.
c'mon, tim, we all know we kick ass over your other manufacturing partners. waddaya say?
tim: ok, but you need be spanked a little. how about we have judge koh make it 1 instead of 5? if thats works for ya, i think we have a deal.
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Folks, whether the judge is correct or not this money will not have a big effect on Apple, what matters is that Samsung stops copying and Google stops facilitating the copying of Apple's IP to its partners. The RockStar case is still on going...
Apple is doing a very good job protecting its IP from the likes of Google, Samsung and others and that's what matters going forward.
It seems a lot of hopes are being pinned on the Rockstar stuff.
Anyone making ignorant comments about Lucy Koh. She was born in Washington D.C. and attended Harvard. She most likely has never even been to Korea. So the shill for Samsung doesn't really hold water. Apple this was never going to be a win for Apple. Even if they got 400 Million that is a speeding ticket for Samsung.
However I do believe she is a shill for the Mayor of Toronto seeing she did make comment about smoking crack.
Are u a moron? Apple has more Asian employees than your sorry inbred ass! Not all Asians are Korean you dumb mkrom
This argument ' Apple argues that by copying its designs, Samsung has taken away a portion of the consumer base that would have otherwise purchased the iPhone or iPad.' , leads me to believe the Samsubg is 'as good or better' than the Apple. My HTC looks like that design but is admittedly a lower tier hardware device. So, no valid argument based on design. This is akin to comparing the Ford Fusion grille to the Aston Martin. Can Aston claim lost sales to a Ford just because the grille design is an obvious ripoff? I think not.
Go get yourself a good education before you make such stupid comments. Start by studying the evidence that was presented at trail. Samsung's own documents presented as evidence in the case showed how they deliberately and willfully set out to copy virtually every single aspect of the iPhone, down to the package design including the typeface. Samsung, and the Korean companies in general, are the most mistrusted in Asia due to their unethical and illegal business practices. Samsung has been prosecuted and fined around the world for their behavior in the past. Most recently they were fined by Taiwan for hiring college students to post fake negative blog posts against HTC. That is clear cut example of what a scumbag company they are - they consistently thumb their noses at the law.
Time for you to go back to school!
If this is indeed the case, it wouldn't be the first time the shoddy "reporting" here got everyone in an uproar.
Can't say I have seen any racist comments at all.
Yes, there are a few comments about race (asian/korean), but nothing that is racist.
Ford owns Aston Martin. So Aston can't claim anything.
They sold it in 2007.
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That's like saying if I steal from someone who is rich it's not really stealing because hey that person has lots of money. Stealing is stealing even if ford ripped off the Aston grill and it doesn't hurt Aston it's still stealing. Samsung shouldn't be allowed to steal apple designs just because hey apple's rich and can take it.
If someone stole the grill from your Aston, you could take them to court. Suppose they were found guilty of stealing it, what's next? A decision has to be made how much the thief has to pay you back for stealing an Aston grill.
Samsung has already been ruled guilty and is a thief- the only question here is how much do they owe.
Samsungs argument is basically: "An Astron grill costs $15,000 dollars- that is what we owe"
Apples argument is along the lines of: "So much work went into designing that, that we deserve compensation for that. Not only that, but the thief put our grill design on select Ford models and a whole bunch of people bought those models. Clearly that is the major reason all those people bought Fords, if Ford had not sold all those models with Aston grills on them, all of those Ford buyers would have bought Aston Martin's instead so we deserve all those profits that we "lost"
That last part is the only thing the judge has thrown out by saying Apple didn't provide sufficient evidence to prove that claim. All 5 of the patents are still 'valid' in terms of the case, Apple just can't run up the tab on 4 of the 5 them for lost profits (but all 5 will be used in the other calculations besides the lost profits argument)
Racism?... he was just letting off steam unlike you--do you love pulling out the race card Spammo?
I'm not sure which person you're referring to, but it is ridiculous to pay attention to the race of the judge regardless of if they're "blowing off steam". Similarly if the judge was White, you wouldn't claim that they are biased against a company that is not headquartered in the US. Certain comments irritate me in a unique way simply because they represent idiotic viewpoints that are entirely devoid of logic.
that's just rude.
I have an upgrade next Sept. & right now there are two phones that are in the top running as of now. I know the I-phone 6 will be out & Verizon is also releasing another Samsung. But this time it may be one of the new Droids that's coming out that I may decide on. So I look at it like this. Apple NEEDS to quit crying foul everytime they have a bad sales quarter. That's the ONLY time they do this. And I know from talking with many other cell phone users that it's like Apple wants to be the ONLY company people buy their cell phones from. But that's NEVER going to happen, because EVERYONE has different tastes when buying ANY product. Bottom line is this. Apple is guilty of doing the same thing Samsung has already pleaded guilty to. Apple really needs to be concentrating on the NEW I-phone 6. They had NEVER suffered a quarter loss when Steve Jobs had the company. But they suffered TWO this past year. Bottom line is this: IT'S TIME TO PUT THIS MESS ASIDE & GET BACK TO THE BASICS OF WHAT APPLE DOES WELL. AND THAT'S MAKING APPLE PRODUCTS PERIOD. Have a great day everyone.
And you are an idiot.
samsung: because we really need your manufacturing partnership to stay afloat, we'll make you a deal: we publicly apologize for stealing your designs to appear contrite and guilty%u2014we appear honorable and just, you agree to make some concessions (insert koh here) on your lawsuit to give the appearance of being defeated, therefore humbled and contrite. after a few weeks, we continue a mutually beneficial business partnership.
c'mon, tim, we all know we kick ass over your other manufacturing partners. waddaya say?
tim: ok, but you need be spanked a little. how about we have judge koh make it 1 instead of 5? if thats works for ya, i think we have a deal.