Everything you ever say is such a confused mess that I can't even tell if you're a straight up troll just trying to waste my time or if you are really that bad at basic reading comprehension and really believe what you say.
Either way, does not matter. Keep up the false accusations and your account will get banned however.
Are you a mod now? Gator guy had reasonable arguments against your replies but as a totalitarian mind you can't really broker dissent.
Also can you post below the line as DED. No problem with top line posters coming into the fray but thet should announce themselves.
oh come on, stop apologizing for Google. there is a hell of a lot of difference between Google+ and, for example, Disqus. Disqus is merely a user name and PW system. Google+ is a massive invasion of your digital life.
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No, not at all like Google+.
all Disqus has from me is a name, email, user name, and PW - necessary for any such service - and a history of my comments via that service - which are essentially public domain anyway.
Google+ data mines your entire life in the Google ecosystem, and everything else it can invade somehow even outside it.
all Disqus has from me is a name, email, user name, and PW - necessary for any such service - and a history of my comments via that service - which are essentially public domain anyway.
How on earth would you know that? Do they have a user dashboard where you can review and delete/correct the generalities of "what Disqus knows" like Google does?
How on earth would you know that? Do they have a user dashboard where you can review and delete/correct the generalities of "what Disqus knows" like Google does?
you're being tendentious as usual. all i use Disqus for is to post comments. not purchases/reviews, not social anything, not search, not check ins, not maps. there is nothing else for them to mine from me except my comment history. they are welcome to that for whatever it is worth. i guess they could profile me, like those guys on TV crime shows do. heck, we can profile you from your 8000 comments on AI - a compulsive contrarian.
I don't think they "force" a Google+ account to view Youtube videos. AFAIK it's only if you want to comment on them. That doesn't sound unreasonable, does it to you? You have to set up a user account at nearly every site if you want to post comments.
Yes but I don't link any site to Facebook. They should not need to know my friends, posting history, etc.
you're being tendentious as usual. all i use Disqus for is to post comments. not purchases/reviews, not social anything, not search, not check ins, not maps. there is nothing else for them to mine from me except my comment history. they are welcome to that for whatever it is worth. i guess they could profile me, like those guys on TV crime shows do. heck, we can profile you from your 8000 comments on AI - a compulsive contrarian.
Then I suppose getting a thank you is out of the question for making you aware that other "only name and password" services like Disqus really do much more than what you realized. You had no idea at all but you should have.
Don't fall into the trap that the anti-Google crowd tries to set to keep anyone from looking in their direction too. I've said before there's no white hats, yet you and others like you are still lulled into thinking "Google is the only one" and so don't bother looking at other companies policies and terms of use. If Google disappeared tomorrow they'd be quickly replaced by others and some of those might be a whole lot more nefarious, greedy and untrustworthy when they see the dollar signs. "Melior diabolus quem scies" as my sig says.
IMO Google is among the most transparent of all the techs when it comes to disclosure. Perfect? Hardly. That old "don't be evil" meme outlived it's usefulness a long time ago. Everyone knows Google makes most of it's money from advertising and a lot of folks consider that wrong for whatever reason. But at least in their quest to be the best in their industry they seem to keep whatever they mine in their own custody and control, and put the user privacy disclosures and controls all in one place instead of trying to hide it. and hope no one goes looking.
Try figuring out Microsoft Privacy Policies. They got a dozen of 'em in a dozen different places applying to a dozen various scenarios. Apparently they're of the mindset that obfuscation is the best policy so what you don't know won't hurt you. Apple doesn't disclose what they know about you either to the best of my knowledge and monetizing users is getting a lot more attention from them lately. Their privacy policy doesn't really tell you anymore than Google's does. That's why the Google Dashboard is helpful for delving into the details. There's a few techs who should follow suit IMO.
Then I suppose getting a thank you is out of the question for making you aware that other "only name and password" services like Disqus really do much more than what you realized. Don't fall into the trap that the anti-Google crowd tries to set to avoid anyone looking at them too. I've said before there's no white hats, yet you and others like you are lulled into thinking "Google is the only one" and don't bother looking at other companies policies and terms of use. If Google disappeared tomorrow they'd be quickly replaced by others and some of those might be a whole lot more nefarious and greedy. "Melior diabolus quem scies".
IMO Google is among the most transparent of all the techs when it comes to disclosure. Perfect? Hardly, but at least they seem to keep whatever they mine in their custody and control, and put the user privacy disclosures all in one place instead of trying to hide it. Try figuring out Microsoft Privacy Policies. They got a dozen of 'em in a dozen different places applying to a dozen various scenarios. Apparently they're of the mindset that obfuscation is the best policy so what you don't know won't hurt you. Apple doesn't disclose what they know about you either to the best of my knowledge and monetizing users is getting a lot more attention from them lately. Their privacy policy doesn't really tell you anymore than Google's does. That's why the Google Dashboard is helpful for delving into the details.
I don't think most multi-nationals are completely honest, especially ones that their business models are based on personally identifiable data. The reality is that the largest online presence companies (Facebook & Google) have shown a lack of respect for privacy. Based on conversations that I've had with friends at Google, the Google Dashboard is a smokescreen. It's not showing the relational data that they use internally. Facebook is even worse with their convoluted privacy settings.
The reality is that when you're logged into Facebook and Google, they are doing a fair amount of data collection, and I try my very best to not help them.
thx for this article, for sure. it should be promoted too. i lack words to describe my feeling towards these manipulating companies.. at the country level too, financially, they recked so many countries already.. these rating and analysis agencies manipulate public opinion on a countrys financial ratings, and literally put countries on sale - everything in the economy plummets allowing for bargain priced purchases. still
i think it is just like phishing sites on the internet.. they look super legit and will never quit, so it is up to us to start thinking outside the box - literally when it comes to television and mass media.
ps: these agencies should be regulated and put out of business.. it should be a criminal offence. of course it isnt couse the same people who pay lobbyists and lawmakers are the same who benefit from these mass spread lies.
Then I suppose getting a thank you is out of the question for making you aware that other "only name and password" services like Disqus really do much more than what you realized. You had no idea at all but you should have.
Don't fall into the trap that the anti-Google crowd tries to set to keep anyone from looking in their direction too. I've said before there's no white hats, yet you and others like you are still lulled into thinking "Google is the only one" and so don't bother looking at other companies policies and terms of use. If Google disappeared tomorrow they'd be quickly replaced by others and some of those might be a whole lot more nefarious, greedy and untrustworthy when they see the dollar signs. "Melior diabolus quem scies" as my sig says.
IMO Google is among the most transparent of all the techs when it comes to disclosure. Perfect? Hardly. That old "don't be evil" meme outlived it's usefulness a long time ago. Everyone knows Google makes most of it's money from advertising and a lot of folks consider that wrong for whatever reason. But at least in their quest to be the best in their industry they seem to keep whatever they mine in their own custody and control, and put the user privacy disclosures and controls all in one place instead of trying to hide it. and hope no one goes looking.
Try figuring out Microsoft Privacy Policies. They got a dozen of 'em in a dozen different places applying to a dozen various scenarios. Apparently they're of the mindset that obfuscation is the best policy so what you don't know won't hurt you. Apple doesn't disclose what they know about you either to the best of my knowledge and monetizing users is getting a lot more attention from them lately. Their privacy policy doesn't really tell you anymore than Google's does. That's why the Google Dashboard is helpful for delving into the details. There's a few techs who should follow suit IMO.
"they all do it" is no defense or excuse.
on a scale of 1 to 10 (not counting the NSA), Google scores the 10 for maximum data mining of its hundreds of millions (billions?) of users in so many ways. you're right, we don't really know what MS is mining from its built in Windows OS "back door," and i'm sure it copies Google's practices as much as it can with all its ecosystem services, so we can't really score them, but MS could be a 10 too. they just aren't as good at monetizing it.
none of the others have the same massively wide scope of opportunities as those two. Facebook and Amazon and Yahoo i'm sure mine everything possible from their lesser ecosystems - let's give them a 7. god only knows what Samsung is doing - it's Korea - but their ecosystem is small, so a 4 is probably the most they can manage from their Android overlays and smart gadgets (not counting their world-leading industrial espionage). Websites like Yelp and many others mine as much as they can from whatever we use them for, so give them a 3. Apple limits its mining to its various stores and whatever else you opt-in to, so call it a 2 - the most self-restrained of all the big guys.
but "they all do it" is just no exculpation. and Google's limited "transparency" about its doings is just a fig leaf for suckers.
This is a great thoughtful piece as many here have commented and I hope that it sparks additional investigative pieces that might change some of the deceptive & biased 'market research' data from these companies. Also noted another article today about how Android-based USB TV sticks are being counted as tablets. There is way too much gaming of this system and with all the internet/web technology for B-to-B available, it would be so far superior if there was a way to bypass market research firms and compile sales data DIRECTLY from sellers & manufacturers.
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Are you a mod now? Gator guy had reasonable arguments against your replies but as a totalitarian mind you can't really broker dissent.
Also can you post below the line as DED. No problem with top line posters coming into the fray but thet should announce themselves.
You don't look at Privacy Policies then. Reading is your friend.
http://help.disqus.com/customer/portal/articles/466259-privacy-policy
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No, not at all like Google+.:rolleyes:
You don't look at Privacy Policies then. Reading is your friend.
http://help.disqus.com/customer/portal/articles/466259-privacy-policy
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Non-Personally Identifiable Information: We also collect and use information about your interactions with the Service in a manner and format that does not identify you as an individual (“Non-Personally Identifiable Information”). We may collect, use, and disclose Non-Personally Identifiable Information as set forth below."
and etc., etc..
No, not at all like Google+.
all Disqus has from me is a name, email, user name, and PW - necessary for any such service - and a history of my comments via that service - which are essentially public domain anyway.
Google+ data mines your entire life in the Google ecosystem, and everything else it can invade somehow even outside it.
stop being a Google apologist and get real.
How on earth would you know that? Do they have a user dashboard where you can review and delete/correct the generalities of "what Disqus knows" like Google does?
How on earth would you know that? Do they have a user dashboard where you can review and delete/correct the generalities of "what Disqus knows" like Google does?
you're being tendentious as usual. all i use Disqus for is to post comments. not purchases/reviews, not social anything, not search, not check ins, not maps. there is nothing else for them to mine from me except my comment history. they are welcome to that for whatever it is worth. i guess they could profile me, like those guys on TV crime shows do. heck, we can profile you from your 8000 comments on AI - a compulsive contrarian.
Yes but I don't link any site to Facebook. They should not need to know my friends, posting history, etc.
Then I suppose getting a thank you is out of the question for making you aware that other "only name and password" services like Disqus really do much more than what you realized. You had no idea at all but you should have.
Don't fall into the trap that the anti-Google crowd tries to set to keep anyone from looking in their direction too. I've said before there's no white hats, yet you and others like you are still lulled into thinking "Google is the only one" and so don't bother looking at other companies policies and terms of use. If Google disappeared tomorrow they'd be quickly replaced by others and some of those might be a whole lot more nefarious, greedy and untrustworthy when they see the dollar signs. "Melior diabolus quem scies" as my sig says.
IMO Google is among the most transparent of all the techs when it comes to disclosure. Perfect? Hardly. That old "don't be evil" meme outlived it's usefulness a long time ago. Everyone knows Google makes most of it's money from advertising and a lot of folks consider that wrong for whatever reason. But at least in their quest to be the best in their industry they seem to keep whatever they mine in their own custody and control, and put the user privacy disclosures and controls all in one place instead of trying to hide it. and hope no one goes looking.
Try figuring out Microsoft Privacy Policies. They got a dozen of 'em in a dozen different places applying to a dozen various scenarios. Apparently they're of the mindset that obfuscation is the best policy so what you don't know won't hurt you. Apple doesn't disclose what they know about you either to the best of my knowledge and monetizing users is getting a lot more attention from them lately. Their privacy policy doesn't really tell you anymore than Google's does. That's why the Google Dashboard is helpful for delving into the details. There's a few techs who should follow suit IMO.
Then I suppose getting a thank you is out of the question for making you aware that other "only name and password" services like Disqus really do much more than what you realized. Don't fall into the trap that the anti-Google crowd tries to set to avoid anyone looking at them too. I've said before there's no white hats, yet you and others like you are lulled into thinking "Google is the only one" and don't bother looking at other companies policies and terms of use. If Google disappeared tomorrow they'd be quickly replaced by others and some of those might be a whole lot more nefarious and greedy. "Melior diabolus quem scies".
IMO Google is among the most transparent of all the techs when it comes to disclosure. Perfect? Hardly, but at least they seem to keep whatever they mine in their custody and control, and put the user privacy disclosures all in one place instead of trying to hide it. Try figuring out Microsoft Privacy Policies. They got a dozen of 'em in a dozen different places applying to a dozen various scenarios. Apparently they're of the mindset that obfuscation is the best policy so what you don't know won't hurt you. Apple doesn't disclose what they know about you either to the best of my knowledge and monetizing users is getting a lot more attention from them lately. Their privacy policy doesn't really tell you anymore than Google's does. That's why the Google Dashboard is helpful for delving into the details.
I don't think most multi-nationals are completely honest, especially ones that their business models are based on personally identifiable data. The reality is that the largest online presence companies (Facebook & Google) have shown a lack of respect for privacy. Based on conversations that I've had with friends at Google, the Google Dashboard is a smokescreen. It's not showing the relational data that they use internally. Facebook is even worse with their convoluted privacy settings.
The reality is that when you're logged into Facebook and Google, they are doing a fair amount of data collection, and I try my very best to not help them.
i think it is just like phishing sites on the internet.. they look super legit and will never quit, so it is up to us to start thinking outside the box - literally when it comes to television and mass media.
ps: these agencies should be regulated and put out of business.. it should be a criminal offence. of course it isnt couse the same people who pay lobbyists and lawmakers are the same who benefit from these mass spread lies.
Then I suppose getting a thank you is out of the question for making you aware that other "only name and password" services like Disqus really do much more than what you realized. You had no idea at all but you should have.
Don't fall into the trap that the anti-Google crowd tries to set to keep anyone from looking in their direction too. I've said before there's no white hats, yet you and others like you are still lulled into thinking "Google is the only one" and so don't bother looking at other companies policies and terms of use. If Google disappeared tomorrow they'd be quickly replaced by others and some of those might be a whole lot more nefarious, greedy and untrustworthy when they see the dollar signs. "Melior diabolus quem scies" as my sig says.
IMO Google is among the most transparent of all the techs when it comes to disclosure. Perfect? Hardly. That old "don't be evil" meme outlived it's usefulness a long time ago. Everyone knows Google makes most of it's money from advertising and a lot of folks consider that wrong for whatever reason. But at least in their quest to be the best in their industry they seem to keep whatever they mine in their own custody and control, and put the user privacy disclosures and controls all in one place instead of trying to hide it. and hope no one goes looking.
Try figuring out Microsoft Privacy Policies. They got a dozen of 'em in a dozen different places applying to a dozen various scenarios. Apparently they're of the mindset that obfuscation is the best policy so what you don't know won't hurt you. Apple doesn't disclose what they know about you either to the best of my knowledge and monetizing users is getting a lot more attention from them lately. Their privacy policy doesn't really tell you anymore than Google's does. That's why the Google Dashboard is helpful for delving into the details. There's a few techs who should follow suit IMO.
"they all do it" is no defense or excuse.
on a scale of 1 to 10 (not counting the NSA), Google scores the 10 for maximum data mining of its hundreds of millions (billions?) of users in so many ways. you're right, we don't really know what MS is mining from its built in Windows OS "back door," and i'm sure it copies Google's practices as much as it can with all its ecosystem services, so we can't really score them, but MS could be a 10 too. they just aren't as good at monetizing it.
none of the others have the same massively wide scope of opportunities as those two. Facebook and Amazon and Yahoo i'm sure mine everything possible from their lesser ecosystems - let's give them a 7. god only knows what Samsung is doing - it's Korea - but their ecosystem is small, so a 4 is probably the most they can manage from their Android overlays and smart gadgets (not counting their world-leading industrial espionage). Websites like Yelp and many others mine as much as they can from whatever we use them for, so give them a 3. Apple limits its mining to its various stores and whatever else you opt-in to, so call it a 2 - the most self-restrained of all the big guys.
but "they all do it" is just no exculpation. and Google's limited "transparency" about its doings is just a fig leaf for suckers.
You're correct, it isn't.
http://gs.statcounter.com/#mobile_os-ww-monthly-201210-201310
Now in the U.S., iOS has a bit of a lead in usage:
http://gs.statcounter.com/#mobile_os-US-monthly-201210-201310
But if you look at the OS chart, iOS > Android
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