We had a samsung promotional event here in Uruguay (Latin America) a couple weeks ago. They were selling the note 3 for 1300 dollars and the watch for 700 dollars. That's 2000 dollars for a "phone" and a watch, in a country were minimum pay is 400 dollars.
I'll try to find some of the pictures I took of the event.
"The South Korean firm said Gear sales have been better than its own expectations and it would expand sales promotions for the wearable device for the crucial year-end holiday sales."
I'm sorry, but if you are beating your own expectations you never expand sales promotions (discounting).....I call BS!
Wow, that's a lot of ignorant people. Everyone who reviewed the Gear said it was junk (in the politest way possible) yet people still bought them. Who's the real sheep?
Must be a lot of Dick Tracy wannabees out there. Or maybe nerds looking for something to match their Batman Utility Belt.
I thought the original report from South-Korea was related to their domestic sales (so South-Korean sales). If that’s the case, than both the former report’s mention of 50 k sales AND Samsung’s PR claim of 800k can be true.
Samsung = We filled our worldwide channel with 800k units (heck we have 3 colours of them). And since we are so happy with the momentum, we will keep our promos for the upcoming holidays (ho, I see what you did there, trying to spin it positively - but since when is a hot-selling device discounted/promo-ed for 4 months?)
South-Korean report = Samsung actually sold 50k units in South-Korean in a couple of months (if I’m not mistaken).
They should have hit return to get the correct total.
It makes a lot more sense for the 50k sales to be from Korea than worldwide. It's available in over 140 countries. This would be around 1.2m units per quarter or 4.8m units per year so could well be exceeding sales of Casio G-shock watches.
However, bundling it with the Galaxy Note 3 when it's bought on a 2 year contract makes it really hard to determine demand. They sold 5 million Note 3s in a month:
Most of the watch shipments could have been bundled with Note 3s, which means they've sold as many watches as they've sold Galaxy Note 3 boxes in the watch+phone bundle.
New Samsung record: 5 million Samsung Galaxy Note 3 boxes sold. The boxes come with the device but they are sold along with it. Same with the carrier bags, record carrier bag sales by Samsung.
Let's see some standalone watch figures Samsung and that'll determine the actual demand for the watch.
They should have hit return to get the correct total.
LOL ...but I hadn't put in any number into the Formula Bar...
It makes a lot more sense for the 50k sales to be from Korea than worldwide.
And that is precisely it, [@]RichL[/@] here pointed it out as well.
However, bundling it with the Galaxy Note 3 when it's bought on a 2 year contract makes it really hard to determine demand. They sold 5 million Note 3s in a month:
Most of the watch shipments could have been bundled with Note 3s, which means they've sold as many watches as they've sold Galaxy Note 3 boxes in the watch+phone bundle.
That link says shipped, not sold. And explaining the difference.
And this is still true, right? When Apple says Sold they mean Sold. When anyone else says Shipped they could mean anything and when they say Sold they could mean anything. Correct? (as far as we know or are able to 'verify')
New Samsung record: 5 million Samsung Galaxy Note 3 boxes sold. The boxes come with the device but they are sold along with it. Same with the carrier bags, record carrier bag sales by Samsung.
I don't think they would sell many if they bundle the whatever hundreds of dollar phoneplus a $300 watch.
Let's see some standalone watch figures Samsung and that'll determine the actual demand for the watch.
We can hope, but I don't think we can watch out for this breakdown.
When Apple says Sold they mean Sold. When anyone else says Shipped they could mean anything and when they say Sold they could mean anything. Correct? (as far as we know or are able to 'verify')
Incorrect. As far as I know Samsung reports sales in accordance with International Accounting Principles (IAS) rather than GAAP like here in the US and there are some areas of difference between IAC and GAAP. Even Canadian GAAP has some differences compared to the US GAAP. Accordingly sales are recognized under IAS when:
-Revenue arising from the sale of goods should be recognised when all of the following criteria have been satisfied: [IAS 18.14]
-the seller has transferred to the buyer the significant risks and rewards of ownership
-the seller retains neither continuing managerial involvement to the degree usually associated with ownership nor effective control over the goods sold
-the amount of revenue can be measured reliably
-it is probable that the economic benefits associated with the transaction will flow to the seller, and
-the costs incurred or to be incurred in respect of the transaction can be measured reliably
So with regard to recording a sale it's nearly identical to how Apple recognizes one. Shipped vs.sold is more of a tired meme than anything else for the most part IMO. Now if what you really wanted to discuss was sell-in and sell-thru that's a different issue and one where Apple is more transparent than it's competition for the most part. But sell-thru is not what Apple reports when they record a sale. (Yeah I know they sell some devices directly to consumers themselves but no where near the majority of them)
"?Samsung announces 800K Galaxy Gear smartwatches sold since launch" -- for a company that's known to lie blatantly and use unfair means to try to gain competitive advantage, this is just unbelievable. May be they meant 800K stupidwatches 'stuffed', as opposed to 'sold'.
Incorrect. As far as I know Samsung reports sales in accordance with International Accounting Principles (IAS) rather than GAAP like here in the US and there are some areas of difference between IAC and GAAP. Even Canadian GAAP has some differences compared to the US GAAP. Accordingly sales are recognized under IAS when:
-Revenue arising from the sale of goods should be recognised when all of the following criteria have been satisfied: [IAS 18.14]
-the seller has transferred to the buyer the significant risks and rewards of ownership
-the seller retains neither continuing managerial involvement to the degree usually associated with ownership nor effective control over the goods sold
-the amount of revenue can be measured reliably
-it is probable that the economic benefits associated with the transaction will flow to the seller, and
-the costs incurred or to be incurred in respect of the transaction can be measured reliably
So with regard to recording a sale it's nearly identical to how Apple recognizes one. Shipped vs.sold is more of a tired meme than anything else for the most part IMO. Now if what you really wanted to discuss was sell-in and sell-thru that's a different issue and one where Apple is more transparent than it's competition for the most part. But sell-thru is not what Apple reports when they record a sale. (Yeah I know they sell some devices directly to consumers themselves but no where near the majority of them)
Actually Sammy doesn't report any hard unit numbers at all.
Thanks. Now that you post this, I remember it was posted earlier as well (perhaps by you). So, in short, a company gets to call it as sold because they receive money for shipping said product, be it the end customer or a reseller. And if that reseller can't get revenue for the product that is their issue. They might as well use it themselves or whatever.
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They were selling the note 3 for 1300 dollars and the watch for 700 dollars. That's 2000 dollars for a "phone" and a watch, in a country were minimum pay is 400 dollars.
I'll try to find some of the pictures I took of the event.
This is how they promote their products on the markets where Apple has almost no presence.
I'm sorry, but if you are beating your own expectations you never expand sales promotions (discounting).....I call BS!
At least here in Sweden: When you buy a high end Samsung phone you get the Gear for free.
Hey, is that like an oxymoron or something?
A 20% return rate means there's 160,000 that were returned, or, knowing Samsung, more. These things are going to show up on ebay soon, for $100.
http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_trksid=p2050601.m570.l1311.R3.TR11.TRC1.A0&_nkw=galaxy+gear+watch&_sacat=0&_from=R40
Too late!
Must be a lot of Dick Tracy wannabees out there. Or maybe nerds looking for something to match their Batman Utility Belt.
I thought the original report from South-Korea was related to their domestic sales (so South-Korean sales). If that’s the case, than both the former report’s mention of 50 k sales AND Samsung’s PR claim of 800k can be true.
Samsung = We filled our worldwide channel with 800k units (heck we have 3 colours of them). And since we are so happy with the momentum, we will keep our promos for the upcoming holidays (ho, I see what you did there, trying to spin it positively - but since when is a hot-selling device discounted/promo-ed for 4 months?)
South-Korean report = Samsung actually sold 50k units in South-Korean in a couple of months (if I’m not mistaken).
Surface 1, Playbook. It does happen.
Honestly, we can't trust Sammy's numbers. Put the data in a financial statement, Sammy.
It makes a lot more sense for the 50k sales to be from Korea than worldwide. It's available in over 140 countries. This would be around 1.2m units per quarter or 4.8m units per year so could well be exceeding sales of Casio G-shock watches.
However, bundling it with the Galaxy Note 3 when it's bought on a 2 year contract makes it really hard to determine demand. They sold 5 million Note 3s in a month:
http://www.cultofandroid.com/43988/samsung-has-shipped-5-million-galaxy-note-3-units-in-just-one-month/
Most of the watch shipments could have been bundled with Note 3s, which means they've sold as many watches as they've sold Galaxy Note 3 boxes in the watch+phone bundle.
New Samsung record: 5 million Samsung Galaxy Note 3 boxes sold. The boxes come with the device but they are sold along with it. Same with the carrier bags, record carrier bag sales by Samsung.
Let's see some standalone watch figures Samsung and that'll determine the actual demand for the watch.
Hmmm ... if true, I guess there are 800,000 idiots are among us!
Then again, what was the last time Samsung said / did something honest and truthful, eh?!!
I call this BS. PURE BS! This is f'ng Samsung we talking!
Almost a million *sold*? I have a hard time believing this.
LOL ...but I hadn't put in any number into the Formula Bar...
And that is precisely it, [@]RichL[/@] here pointed it out as well.
That link says shipped, not sold. And explaining the difference.
And this is still true, right? When Apple says Sold they mean Sold. When anyone else says Shipped they could mean anything and when they say Sold they could mean anything. Correct? (as far as we know or are able to 'verify')
I don't think they would sell many if they bundle the whatever hundreds of dollar phone plus a $300 watch.
We can hope, but I don't think we can watch out for this breakdown.
Incorrect. As far as I know Samsung reports sales in accordance with International Accounting Principles (IAS) rather than GAAP like here in the US and there are some areas of difference between IAC and GAAP. Even Canadian GAAP has some differences compared to the US GAAP. Accordingly sales are recognized under IAS when:
-Revenue arising from the sale of goods should be recognised when all of the following criteria have been satisfied: [IAS 18.14]
-the seller has transferred to the buyer the significant risks and rewards of ownership
-the seller retains neither continuing managerial involvement to the degree usually associated with ownership nor effective control over the goods sold
-the amount of revenue can be measured reliably
-it is probable that the economic benefits associated with the transaction will flow to the seller, and
-the costs incurred or to be incurred in respect of the transaction can be measured reliably
So with regard to recording a sale it's nearly identical to how Apple recognizes one. Shipped vs.sold is more of a tired meme than anything else for the most part IMO. Now if what you really wanted to discuss was sell-in and sell-thru that's a different issue and one where Apple is more transparent than it's competition for the most part. But sell-thru is not what Apple reports when they record a sale. (Yeah I know they sell some devices directly to consumers themselves but no where near the majority of them)
Only Numbers can make that mistake. Maybe DED got an internship making charts and graphs for Samsung
"?Samsung announces 800K Galaxy Gear smartwatches sold since launch" -- for a company that's known to lie blatantly and use unfair means to try to gain competitive advantage, this is just unbelievable. May be they meant 800K stupidwatches 'stuffed', as opposed to 'sold'.
Actually Sammy doesn't report any hard unit numbers at all.
Thanks. Now that you post this, I remember it was posted earlier as well (perhaps by you). So, in short, a company gets to call it as sold because they receive money for shipping said product, be it the end customer or a reseller. And if that reseller can't get revenue for the product that is their issue. They might as well use it themselves or whatever.