And you disagree with Jony. Now that that's settled...
I think he is awesome at hardware design.
I think he totally missed with iOS7.
He is now VP for Design, which means his touch will be coming to Mac OS in the future. If it changes to anything like iOS7, then my next Mac will be my last for some time (buy before the OS update)...
And that from a guy who used Apple IIe's in school and has owned Macs since 1988.
He is now VP for Design, which means his touch will be coming to Mac OS in the future. If it changes to anything like iOS7, then my next Mac will be my last for some time (buy before the OS update)...
I'm sure you complained when MacOS 9 went to OS X.
Has anyone out there been able to find out if one of the "bug fixes" in Pages for Mac is OpenType support? This is one of the main things that's kept us away from 5.0; kinda pathetic TextEdit can use OT features but the dedicated word processor can't.
Apple needed to do this better. I don't operate on their trickle-by-trickle-improvements release schedule.
They've already done it better than everyone else. I mean seriously, how long did Windows 8.1 take to come out? How long did Windows 7 take to come out to fix Vista?
Android still has massive bugs in it from early days. Apple releases what is essentially a version 1.0 app and within a month they've made headway into bringing back some of the features. How much is really missing though and how much is actually down to them approaching what you used to do better?
They've already done it better than everyone else. I mean seriously, how long did Windows 8.1 take to come out? How long did Windows 7 take to come out to fix Vista?
Android still has massive bugs in it from early days. Apple releases what is essentially a version 1.0 app and within a month they've made headway into bringing back some of the features. How much is really missing though and how much is actually down to them approaching what you used to do better?
No offense, but I don't give a s*** about Windows or Android.
I'm sure you complained when MacOS 9 went to OS X.
That was a fun time wasn't it? I remember running the initial free OS X beta and it was instant love for me but I recall there was a huge outcry from many. Some folks have to be dragged kicking and screaming for sure...
That was a fun time wasn't it? I remember running the initial free OS X beta and it was instant love for me but I recall there was a huge outcry from many. Some folks have to be dragged kicking and screaming for sure...
Well, it was a disaster. OS X then wasn't remotely what OS X is today. It took till 10.4 to start feeling like a real OS and till 10.6 to really shine.
As for these iWork updates... I'm not upgrading until it's an actual upgrade.
Well, it was a disaster. OS X then wasn't remotely what OS X is today. It took till 10.4 to start feeling like a real OS and till 10.6 to really shine.
As for these iWork updates... I'm not upgrading until it's an actual upgrade.
You may be misremembering. It wasn't a disaste, it was a rebirth of the Mac as we knew it. It paved the way for the future.
No offense, but I don't give a s*** about Windows or Android.
I hold Apple to one standard: Apple.
I'm not offended but look, Apple moves forward, they always have. When they moved towards Mac OS X what did they do? They developed Mac OS X but gave you the option to use Classic Mode. Then they killed off Classic Mode which killed off your ability to use Mac OS 9 apps. Did Apple care. NO because your desire to hold Apple back clashed with Apple's idea to change the future. You lost.
Apple did it with Carbon, iMovie, QuickTime, AppleWorks, Final Cut Pro, and now iWork all of which Apple cared about those who are stuck in the past a grand total of zero times because Apple moves forward. Apple has ALWAYS moved forward but they've still had an out for those who need features of old software UNTIL Apple has decided enough is enough. Apple has yet to declare that but in less than 6 months time given their current progress they will.
Apple IS following Apple's standard as it's proved time and time again. It's just your version of Apple's standard is different to Apple's version of Apple's standard and guess what??? Your version isn't correct. I know it's hard to take but Apple set the standard and will continue to follow it whether you want to follow them or not is your prerogative but Apple doesn't care about your standard and never has. They will move forward with or without you.
NO because your desire to hold Apple back clashed with Apple's idea to change the future. You lost.
I 'lost' nothing. Grow up. Apple quite happily allows me to continue to use 5.3. In fact, it leaves it in my Applications.
Apple moved on, as it should. I've decided to stay put, for now.
Why? Because 5.3 is superior in its functionality to 6.0. I challenge you to name one new feature in 6.0 that is superior (I don't mean silly eye-candy). I'd be happy to name at least three in 5.3 that I use daily that 6.0 removed. I have trashed it because it is a pointless 'upgrade' for my purposes.
I am happy to let guys like you be my product-testers, and 'upgrade' when I think it makes sense for me. And you're happy with 6.0. So what's not to like?!
Has anyone out there been able to find out if one of the "bug fixes" in Pages for Mac is OpenType support? This is one of the main things that's kept us away from 5.0; kinda pathetic TextEdit can use OT features but the dedicated word processor can't.
The answer is no. Guess we're sticking with 4.3 longer.
Well, it was a disaster. OS X then wasn't remotely what OS X is today. It took till 10.4 to start feeling like a real OS and till 10.6 to really shine.
As for these iWork updates... I'm not upgrading until it's an actual upgrade.
As with all betas it was a glimpse into the future. Having said that I was working in a full production system and ran both OS X and OS 9 in parallel and was able to transition smoothly when applications I needed became available. The trouble with too many folks is they want to wait till all is ok but miss out on their own learning experiences by not being willing to use early versions.
He is now VP for Design, which means his touch will be coming to Mac OS in the future. If it changes to anything like iOS7, then my next Mac will be my last for some time (buy before the OS update)...
And that from a guy who used Apple IIe's in school and has owned Macs since 1988.
One day, everything will be perfect...the grass will be 1/4 inch above your grave and it will be cut twice a week!
The trouble with too many folks is they want to wait till all is ok but miss out on their own learning experiences by not being willing to use early versions.
Sometimes it's a thin line that divides 'learning experiences' from 'time-wasting projects'.
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OK, so you disagree with Louie Mantia, John Siracusa, Loren Brichter, myself and many others, but that's OK. Your opinion counts too.
Inflated sense of self much?
Glad to see some improvement. Still a long way to go.
While they're at it, I hope they try fixing iOS7. But that might require releasing iOS8...
And you disagree with Jony. Now that that's settled...
I think he is awesome at hardware design.
I think he totally missed with iOS7.
He is now VP for Design, which means his touch will be coming to Mac OS in the future. If it changes to anything like iOS7, then my next Mac will be my last for some time (buy before the OS update)...
And that from a guy who used Apple IIe's in school and has owned Macs since 1988.
I'm sure you complained when MacOS 9 went to OS X.
Apple needed to do this better. I don't operate on their trickle-by-trickle-improvements release schedule.
They've already done it better than everyone else. I mean seriously, how long did Windows 8.1 take to come out? How long did Windows 7 take to come out to fix Vista?
Android still has massive bugs in it from early days. Apple releases what is essentially a version 1.0 app and within a month they've made headway into bringing back some of the features. How much is really missing though and how much is actually down to them approaching what you used to do better?
No offense, but I don't give a s*** about Windows or Android.
I hold Apple to one standard: Apple.
My thoughts exactly. Jony really needs to learn to clear things and get approval from Ireland first on his designs. What was he thinking?
That was a fun time wasn't it? I remember running the initial free OS X beta and it was instant love for me but I recall there was a huge outcry from many. Some folks have to be dragged kicking and screaming for sure...
Well, it was a disaster. OS X then wasn't remotely what OS X is today. It took till 10.4 to start feeling like a real OS and till 10.6 to really shine.
As for these iWork updates... I'm not upgrading until it's an actual upgrade.
THAT'S what he said he did! Did you notice?
Sheesh!
You may be misremembering. It wasn't a disaste, it was a rebirth of the Mac as we knew it. It paved the way for the future.
No offense, but I don't give a s*** about Windows or Android.
I hold Apple to one standard: Apple.
I'm not offended but look, Apple moves forward, they always have. When they moved towards Mac OS X what did they do? They developed Mac OS X but gave you the option to use Classic Mode. Then they killed off Classic Mode which killed off your ability to use Mac OS 9 apps. Did Apple care. NO because your desire to hold Apple back clashed with Apple's idea to change the future. You lost.
Apple did it with Carbon, iMovie, QuickTime, AppleWorks, Final Cut Pro, and now iWork all of which Apple cared about those who are stuck in the past a grand total of zero times because Apple moves forward. Apple has ALWAYS moved forward but they've still had an out for those who need features of old software UNTIL Apple has decided enough is enough. Apple has yet to declare that but in less than 6 months time given their current progress they will.
Apple IS following Apple's standard as it's proved time and time again. It's just your version of Apple's standard is different to Apple's version of Apple's standard and guess what??? Your version isn't correct. I know it's hard to take but Apple set the standard and will continue to follow it whether you want to follow them or not is your prerogative but Apple doesn't care about your standard and never has. They will move forward with or without you.
I 'lost' nothing. Grow up. Apple quite happily allows me to continue to use 5.3. In fact, it leaves it in my Applications.
Apple moved on, as it should. I've decided to stay put, for now.
Why? Because 5.3 is superior in its functionality to 6.0. I challenge you to name one new feature in 6.0 that is superior (I don't mean silly eye-candy). I'd be happy to name at least three in 5.3 that I use daily that 6.0 removed. I have trashed it because it is a pointless 'upgrade' for my purposes.
I am happy to let guys like you be my product-testers, and 'upgrade' when I think it makes sense for me. And you're happy with 6.0. So what's not to like?!
Um.... who?
At least, I've seen your work.
anyone knows why these are no delta updates?
Has anyone out there been able to find out if one of the "bug fixes" in Pages for Mac is OpenType support? This is one of the main things that's kept us away from 5.0; kinda pathetic TextEdit can use OT features but the dedicated word processor can't.
The answer is no. Guess we're sticking with 4.3 longer.
As with all betas it was a glimpse into the future. Having said that I was working in a full production system and ran both OS X and OS 9 in parallel and was able to transition smoothly when applications I needed became available. The trouble with too many folks is they want to wait till all is ok but miss out on their own learning experiences by not being willing to use early versions.
I think he is awesome at hardware design.
I think he totally missed with iOS7.
He is now VP for Design, which means his touch will be coming to Mac OS in the future. If it changes to anything like iOS7, then my next Mac will be my last for some time (buy before the OS update)...
And that from a guy who used Apple IIe's in school and has owned Macs since 1988.
One day, everything will be perfect...the grass will be 1/4 inch above your grave and it will be cut twice a week!
The trouble with too many folks is they want to wait till all is ok but miss out on their own learning experiences by not being willing to use early versions.
Sometimes it's a thin line that divides 'learning experiences' from 'time-wasting projects'.