Anyone else see the irony in an Apple exec talking about basic human rights and dignity? I mean.....seriously?
No. Why? Apple has done more for worker's rights than any other tech company. They just get a lot more attention. No one is looking at the other companies, even though they make their stuff in the same factories, or factories just like them, with the same or often worse conditions. Apple is a big, convenient target.
Tim expressing his personal opinions is his business.
Apple as a company supporting a divisive political organization that is not related to their business seems questionable and does concern me as a shareholder.
Sometimes a company has to do what is right, regardless of what bigoted morons think. If this causes someone to sell off their shares of Apple stock, so be it.
Sometimes a company has to do what is right, regardless of what bigoted morons think. If this causes someone to sell off their shares of Apple stock, so be it.
Who are the bigoted morons?
Personally, I like many ideas that progressives have. I disagree with their insistence that only they are right and that the public must be forced to do what they want and the public must fund through force of taxation big government projects that ultimately waste money and increase corruption.
Apple pours money into an organization that discourages self-reliance, increases government dependence and is socialistic and anti-competitive... Competition built Apple and there are so many associated with the company who ignore or downplay this. When a company becomes so wealthy that money is not a concern, I am concerned. Don't forget what forces built the company.
As I said, Tim is free as an individual to voice his personal support for any cause he wants. No question there.
However, Apple contributes to a far-left organization. They are publicly traded and for the first time the donor list was divulged. I plan on voicing my disapproval.
...And I will voice my approval. I find Apples policies and principles to be refreshing and support them wholeheartedly. I've seen too many companies sell their (and their share holders) souls to the bottom line. While the BL is important it is not an excuse for making or supporting immoral decisions. While companies have to obay the law, I hope and expect Apple to use their influence push the human race forward! ... to borrow one of their own phrases!
As an AAPL share holder I expect Apple to make the "right & moral" decision even if it may lower the value of my shares.
Here's to you Tim, for pushing us (some of us kicking and screaming) forward!
Removing this sentence entirely from its context, define “forward”. Gotta think about things on a fundamental level before you come to a conclusion.
Agreed. Apple is certainly free to enact any policies they want to make the company more competitive with other companies for talented workers. That should not translate into federal laws that may impinge on the rights of other company owners by forcing them to follow policies that may decrease their competitiveness.
It comes down to whether or not one believes government solves more problems than it causes.
Nah, it comes down to history. Doesn't matter what one believes, if you're honest about looking at the facts.
I went to a city high school in southern Indiana. There was one black kid in our 1960 class of 2,000, yet there was a huge black population in that town. I remember "colored" drinking fountains across the river in Kentucky, not even the deep South. When the civil rights legislation started being shoved through Congress by Johnson, it was because of guys like Tim Cook standing with Martin Luther King and the rest to get past the radical privileged self-ists who didn't want government interference in their rotton social "systems."
Agreed. Apple is certainly free to enact any policies they want to make the company more competitive with other companies for talented workers. That should not translate into federal laws that may impinge on the rights of other company owners by forcing them to follow policies that may decrease their competitiveness.
If the policies are good policies that stand up for universal civil rights, opportunity, and a compassionate, healthy society then why not? Is competitiveness such a holy grail that all else must be sacrificed?
No. Why? Apple has done more for worker's rights than any other tech company. They just get a lot more attention. No one is looking at the other companies, even though they make their stuff in the same factories, or factories just like them, with the same or often worse conditions. Apple is a big, convenient target.
That's BS.
No other company but Apple dictates how much profit suppliers allowed to have.
Nah, it comes down to history. Doesn't matter what one believes, if you're honest about looking at the facts.
...it was because of guys like Tim Cook standing with Martin Luther King and the rest to get past the radical privileged self-ists who didn't want government interference in their rotton social "systems."
Yet guys like Tim Cook stood around and did nothing with the No Poach Agreements.
Today, Apple is claiming they should not have to pay damages.
If the policies are good policies that stand up for universal civil rights, opportunity, and a compassionate, healthy society then why not? Is competitiveness such a holy grail that all else must be sacrificed?
Oh look, derailing accomplished. How irritating.
What is a "healthy society"? Who determines it? Who do you appoint as all-seeing, all-knowing enforcement agent? Soaring rhetoric is no substitute for grounded reality.
Well, maybe you should withdraw your shares then. There are many, many companies that care nothing for human rights and dignity or the state of our planet if it interferes in any way with making money. They would be happy to take your money and you can give them yours with a clear conscience.
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No, because we’re not idiots.
Does Andy Rubin and the rest of google know anything about human dignity? Do they even know how to spell them?!!!
Why would you say this? What has Andy Rubin or any executive at Google done that indicates they disregard human dignity?
Anyone else see the irony in an Apple exec talking about basic human rights and dignity? I mean.....seriously?
No. Why? Apple has done more for worker's rights than any other tech company. They just get a lot more attention. No one is looking at the other companies, even though they make their stuff in the same factories, or factories just like them, with the same or often worse conditions. Apple is a big, convenient target.
Sometimes a company has to do what is right, regardless of what bigoted morons think. If this causes someone to sell off their shares of Apple stock, so be it.
Good to know. Why don't you start a thread about it instead of derailing a thread about Tim Cook and a speech with partisan baiting?
His comment seems totally related to me. I think it's idiotic, but completely related.
Shhh! The adults are speaking.
Who are the bigoted morons?
Personally, I like many ideas that progressives have. I disagree with their insistence that only they are right and that the public must be forced to do what they want and the public must fund through force of taxation big government projects that ultimately waste money and increase corruption.
Apple pours money into an organization that discourages self-reliance, increases government dependence and is socialistic and anti-competitive... Competition built Apple and there are so many associated with the company who ignore or downplay this. When a company becomes so wealthy that money is not a concern, I am concerned. Don't forget what forces built the company.
...And I will voice my approval. I find Apples policies and principles to be refreshing and support them wholeheartedly. I've seen too many companies sell their (and their share holders) souls to the bottom line. While the BL is important it is not an excuse for making or supporting immoral decisions. While companies have to obay the law, I hope and expect Apple to use their influence push the human race forward! ... to borrow one of their own phrases!
As an AAPL share holder I expect Apple to make the "right & moral" decision even if it may lower the value of my shares.
Here's to you Tim, for pushing us (some of us kicking and screaming) forward!
I am a proud owner of AAPL shares.
KRR
Here's to you Tim, for pushing us (some of us kicking and screaming) forward!
Removing this sentence entirely from its context, define “forward”. Gotta think about things on a fundamental level before you come to a conclusion.
Agreed. Apple is certainly free to enact any policies they want to make the company more competitive with other companies for talented workers. That should not translate into federal laws that may impinge on the rights of other company owners by forcing them to follow policies that may decrease their competitiveness.
"forward" In this context is helping to expand the rights of individuals to pursue their version of happiness.
Nah, it comes down to history. Doesn't matter what one believes, if you're honest about looking at the facts.
I went to a city high school in southern Indiana. There was one black kid in our 1960 class of 2,000, yet there was a huge black population in that town. I remember "colored" drinking fountains across the river in Kentucky, not even the deep South. When the civil rights legislation started being shoved through Congress by Johnson, it was because of guys like Tim Cook standing with Martin Luther King and the rest to get past the radical privileged self-ists who didn't want government interference in their rotton social "systems."
Oh look, derailing accomplished. How irritating.
Anyone else see the irony in an Apple exec talking about basic human rights and dignity? I mean.....seriously?
And look at what they did to their own employees, No Poach Agreements.
No. Why? Apple has done more for worker's rights than any other tech company. They just get a lot more attention. No one is looking at the other companies, even though they make their stuff in the same factories, or factories just like them, with the same or often worse conditions. Apple is a big, convenient target.
That's BS.
No other company but Apple dictates how much profit suppliers allowed to have.
Nah, it comes down to history. Doesn't matter what one believes, if you're honest about looking at the facts.
...it was because of guys like Tim Cook standing with Martin Luther King and the rest to get past the radical privileged self-ists who didn't want government interference in their rotton social "systems."
Yet guys like Tim Cook stood around and did nothing with the No Poach Agreements.
Today, Apple is claiming they should not have to pay damages.
Tim is such a great guy! /s
"forward" In this context is helping to expand the rights of individuals to pursue their version of happiness.
Companies cannot help or prevent a person's happiness, or their pursuit thereof.
If the policies are good policies that stand up for universal civil rights, opportunity, and a compassionate, healthy society then why not? Is competitiveness such a holy grail that all else must be sacrificed?
Oh look, derailing accomplished. How irritating.
What is a "healthy society"? Who determines it? Who do you appoint as all-seeing, all-knowing enforcement agent? Soaring rhetoric is no substitute for grounded reality.