You have to deal in reality. The stock going down to 300s is not good for the company of it's shareholders regardless of how hard headed the board want sto be about not caring about what the outside thinks and that their business is great. At the core, any business is about the stock price, so any board that doesn't recognize that or chose to ignore that on the basis os "WE GOT A GREAT BUSINESS" is not living in reality and need to be replaced.
You have to deal in reality. The stock going down to 300s is not good for the company of it's shareholders regardless of how hard headed the board want sto be about not caring about what the outside thinks and that their business is great. At the core, any business is about the stock price, so any board that doesn't recognize that or chose to ignore that on the basis os "WE GOT A GREAT BUSINESS" is not living in reality and need to be replaced.
They assess the success of their business on earnings, not speculative trading. Speculative trading is not based in reality because that future reality hasn't happened yet and Apple's success has been helped greatly by their future roadmap not being known.
I like how you say 300s when it only just dipped below 400. The lowest value it reached of $390 still meant it had over $350b market cap. So at its worst, the company was still valued as the 2nd most valuable company in the world and didn't drop much below the highest point when Steve was running the company.
If you think being the second most valuable company in the world is somehow indicative of a management problem, I think you need to lower your expectations.
I have faith in Apple to continue to deliver great products that sell for many years to come. Because of that I think the share price will go up significantly in the future. And because of that I am totally behind Icahn's proposal, which is a vote of confidence in the company's future value.
Icahn himself I can take or leave, but buying back stock while it is cheap and cheap credit is available is a no-brainer for increasing shareholder value.
I know exactly what you are saying. What you are saying exhibits no knowledge whatsoever of the core of Apple’s operation. This lack of knowledge has led you to make the wrong decision. I am informing you of this.
If you want to learn from a really solid analysis on why Einhorn’s proposal was laughable – and was rightly thrown out by Apple’s shareholders – see here: http://bit.ly/1bIKaw7).
Great article! Thanks. Some posters here should read that.
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Still waiting for my Mac Pro i'm looking at a delivery date February so I need my dividends for my Apple shares . I bought Apple shares investment for my children so I do not care about short-term gain . I believe Tim Cook Will do the right thing for Apple and he has my full support .
Sure we do. We absolutely do. Are you insane? We know it wouldn’t go to $1. This is known. We know it wouldn’t go to $10. Or $50, or even $100. It would stay above these numbers.
The magical dividend and buyback didn’t “save” the stock. There was nothing to save.
It’s not Superman. It’s Superman breaking through the wall and finding not only no danger, but the owner furious for the damage done to his home.
Oh, this we know.
Sounds far more like Google is setting itself up for the coolest crash of all time.
Yeah? Are they? Guess what they aren’t, though. They aren’t involved in daily, weekly, monthly, or yearly operations. They aren’t privy to the parts deals, don’t know the
Proof, please. And no, “they haven’t been giving me the returns on my stock that I demand for absolutely no reason other than I demand them” is not a reason.
‘Kay. And?
Nah. Sorry. You’re wrong. They are not bad for managing money wisely. They are not bad for operating like a startup. They are not bad for deciding not to waste their money on things they don’t care about and which would lead to worse products.
Is that second sentence just a second ending to the first sentence, or are you implying that specifically what Icahn thinks is best as a shareholder will inherently benefit other shareholders?
Yes, we’re well aware that you’re incapable of understanding what an analogy is.
You clearly have very little understanding of the capital markets. I get it. You are a person who likes Apple products and feels threatened by someone very rich and powerful like Carl Icahn. You don't really understand what he is suggesting in terms of capital structure. That's OK, but don't pretend to understand because the subject matter is clearly over your head. I could respond to each of your replies, but your answers are so illogical and without the slightest modicum of understand of the subject matter that any response at all would be fruitless.
You are too obtuse to continue this discussion with.
Ah, the old “I’m leaving therefore you’re wrong” bit.
…feels threatened by someone very rich and powerful like Carl Icahn.
Yeah, I suppose I do feel that Apple is being threatened by an idiot with more money than sense.
You don't really understand what he is suggesting in terms of capital structure.
I understand that it’s not better than what Apple is doing now. I understand that Apple increased its share price 100 times over in the last ten years by not doing what he wants to do. I understand that Apple is a products company, not a stock company, and as such their core philosophies revolve around not giving a flying frick what the stock is doing or what shareholders demand in terms of money that they didn’t earn, but rather on making products that will allow the stock to be ignored.
These are all things 1) that are fact and 2) of which you don’t seem to have even the slightest comprehension. I’d look to that before hopping on the bandwagon.
Great post, some of these people have not the first clue of what Icahn is saying to unlock shareholder value. They stand behind Apple's balance sheet, great products and great earnings. That is all true and all the reason why this stock should not have lost 50% of it's value from it's high !
THAT IS NUTS! And the fact this board allowed that to happen without any action is reason for any sane stock holder to take pause!
Bottom line is if you believe in Apple 100% and think the stock will goto 700 or beyond. You should 100% be supporting Carl Icahn's proposal. Don't listen to media type or idiots keep calling Icahn names and this or that. LOOK AT WHAT HE IS PROPOSIGN FOR YOUSELF! Use your own brain!
Again, if you think Apple is bullet proof and will goto $700 or beyond, There is nothing wrong with buying stock on the cheap at $525 or $540!Saying no to that is like refusing a lottery prize after you won!
Please , some of you people need to educate urself on the capital markets and how they work before speaking nonsense!
Great post, some of these people have not the first clue of what Icahn is saying to unlock shareholder value. They stand behind Apple's balance sheet, great products and great earnings. That is all true and all the reason why this stock should not have lost 50% of it's value from it's high !
It's interesting you picked an arbitrary point. I can do you one better, 10 years ago Apple was at 11 (split adjusted) and now it's at 544. All w/o crazy Carl's help.
And 5 years ago Blackberry was on top of the world. You need to deal with the NOW and not the past. The Wall street environment now is what it is. There is no need for a great company like this to lose 40% in value and sit and do nothing.
I am surprised just at how naive people are here, do you people actually own shares and participate in the markets ?
And 5 years ago Blackberry was on top of the world. You need to deal with the NOW and not the past. The Wall street environment now is what it is. There is no need for a great company like this to lose 40% in value and sit and do nothing.
I am surprised just at how naive people are here, do you people actually own shares and participate in the markets ?
yes I have shares I have faith in Tim Cook and his team
You give the board way too much credit. Most of that stock growth came under the leadership of Jobs. Who do you think was calling the shots when Jobs was alive? The board? or Jobs? This boards has simply been along for the ride. That has become more apparent under Cook.
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You don’t have the first clue what Apple is. Stop talking.
Lol, if you don't know what I sam saying, you are the one with no clue
They assess the success of their business on earnings, not speculative trading. Speculative trading is not based in reality because that future reality hasn't happened yet and Apple's success has been helped greatly by their future roadmap not being known.
I like how you say 300s when it only just dipped below 400. The lowest value it reached of $390 still meant it had over $350b market cap. So at its worst, the company was still valued as the 2nd most valuable company in the world and didn't drop much below the highest point when Steve was running the company.
If you think being the second most valuable company in the world is somehow indicative of a management problem, I think you need to lower your expectations.
Icahn himself I can take or leave, but buying back stock while it is cheap and cheap credit is available is a no-brainer for increasing shareholder value.
I know exactly what you are saying. What you are saying exhibits no knowledge whatsoever of the core of Apple’s operation. This lack of knowledge has led you to make the wrong decision. I am informing you of this.
Great article! Thanks. Some posters here should read that.
What do you care about Carl's pockets?
And the question to you is, what do you care about Apple's pockets? You just want to milk the cow until it dies, then kick the corpse.
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• 3.5GHz 6-core with 12MB of L3 cache
• 16GB (4 x 4GB) of 1866MHz DDR3 ECC
• 512GB PCIe-based flash storage
• Dual AMD FirePro D300 GPUs with 2GB of GDDR5 VRAM each
Still waiting for my Mac Pro i'm looking at a delivery date February so I need my dividends for my Apple shares .
I bought Apple shares investment for my children so I do not care about short-term gain . I believe Tim Cook Will do the right thing for Apple and he has my full support .
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Sure we do. We absolutely do. Are you insane? We know it wouldn’t go to $1. This is known. We know it wouldn’t go to $10. Or $50, or even $100. It would stay above these numbers.
The magical dividend and buyback didn’t “save” the stock. There was nothing to save.
It’s not Superman. It’s Superman breaking through the wall and finding not only no danger, but the owner furious for the damage done to his home.
Oh, this we know.
Sounds far more like Google is setting itself up for the coolest crash of all time.
Yeah? Are they? Guess what they aren’t, though. They aren’t involved in daily, weekly, monthly, or yearly operations. They aren’t privy to the parts deals, don’t know the
Proof, please. And no, “they haven’t been giving me the returns on my stock that I demand for absolutely no reason other than I demand them” is not a reason.
‘Kay. And?
Nah. Sorry. You’re wrong. They are not bad for managing money wisely. They are not bad for operating like a startup. They are not bad for deciding not to waste their money on things they don’t care about and which would lead to worse products.
Is that second sentence just a second ending to the first sentence, or are you implying that specifically what Icahn thinks is best as a shareholder will inherently benefit other shareholders?
Yes, we’re well aware that you’re incapable of understanding what an analogy is.
You clearly have very little understanding of the capital markets. I get it. You are a person who likes Apple products and feels threatened by someone very rich and powerful like Carl Icahn. You don't really understand what he is suggesting in terms of capital structure. That's OK, but don't pretend to understand because the subject matter is clearly over your head. I could respond to each of your replies, but your answers are so illogical and without the slightest modicum of understand of the subject matter that any response at all would be fruitless.
Ah, the old “I’m leaving therefore you’re wrong” bit.
Yeah, I suppose I do feel that Apple is being threatened by an idiot with more money than sense.
I understand that it’s not better than what Apple is doing now. I understand that Apple increased its share price 100 times over in the last ten years by not doing what he wants to do. I understand that Apple is a products company, not a stock company, and as such their core philosophies revolve around not giving a flying frick what the stock is doing or what shareholders demand in terms of money that they didn’t earn, but rather on making products that will allow the stock to be ignored.
These are all things 1) that are fact and 2) of which you don’t seem to have even the slightest comprehension. I’d look to that before hopping on the bandwagon.
Great post, some of these people have not the first clue of what Icahn is saying to unlock shareholder value. They stand behind Apple's balance sheet, great products and great earnings. That is all true and all the reason why this stock should not have lost 50% of it's value from it's high !
THAT IS NUTS! And the fact this board allowed that to happen without any action is reason for any sane stock holder to take pause!
Bottom line is if you believe in Apple 100% and think the stock will goto 700 or beyond. You should 100% be supporting Carl Icahn's proposal. Don't listen to media type or idiots keep calling Icahn names and this or that. LOOK AT WHAT HE IS PROPOSIGN FOR YOUSELF! Use your own brain!
Again, if you think Apple is bullet proof and will goto $700 or beyond, There is nothing wrong with buying stock on the cheap at $525 or $540!Saying no to that is like refusing a lottery prize after you won!
Please , some of you people need to educate urself on the capital markets and how they work before speaking nonsense!
I understand that Apple is a products company, not a stock company---
You really have no clue, if that is the case, Apple should delist and go private! You should be mad at the board for not doing that?
By the way you said it wrong, it's "I'm leaving because you're childish and impossible and this isn't a real debate".
It's interesting you picked an arbitrary point. I can do you one better, 10 years ago Apple was at 11 (split adjusted) and now it's at 544. All w/o crazy Carl's help.
Surprising how often you (and only you) hear that, isn't it?<br />
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Apple is also doomed. If you’re going to live in a fantasy world, at least complete the picture.
And 5 years ago Blackberry was on top of the world. You need to deal with the NOW and not the past. The Wall street environment now is what it is. There is no need for a great company like this to lose 40% in value and sit and do nothing.
I am surprised just at how naive people are here, do you people actually own shares and participate in the markets ?
Exactly.
They’re not sitting there and they’re not doing nothing. They’re continuing to make great products.
Sell your stock and forget about AAPL. You don’t understand it.
You give the board way too much credit. Most of that stock growth came under the leadership of Jobs. Who do you think was calling the shots when Jobs was alive? The board? or Jobs? This boards has simply been along for the ride. That has become more apparent under Cook.