Well , I'm a Mac user from the beginning in 1985 with a 110 Volt version Macintosh . In Europe we are working with 240 Volt . I've tried so many time to go over to Windows 98 , windows 7 and 8 . It is disaster , always looking where can I find this or that . Wasting of time .
Then I tried a Sony Xperia go with Android latest version. When I went on holidays to Cyprus I was reading a 150 pages manual in the plane and even the basics I couldn't find in the manuals . After 5 months I give it up and I've bought an Iphone 4S . A manual what is that ? I didn't need it . My son he has a Windows phone and whit the same frustration .
I've wasted so many hours that if I calculate the hours , I could by a nice car. MS office , please take RAGTIME 6.5 . That is also an office software , but with the same power and easier to use .
Conclusion : with an Android of Windows gsm or tablet or computer , I have this expression :
You can be very busy without doing nothing serious . With an Apple , you can move forward .
An apple product cost a little bit more, but it works and you don't need PROZAC .
All the best from someone in Belgium .
The country with the best beers and best chocolat and so much more .
Sorry, but it is impossible to do a real spreadsheet on the iPad.
Sorry, but it is impossible to do anything real on a smartphone.
Sorry, but it is impossible to do anything real on the web.
Sorry, but it is impossible to do anything real with a GUI.
Sorry, but it is impossible to do anything real on a PC.
Sorry, but it is impossible to do anything real on a minicomputer.
The game remains the same, only the players have changed... when will people stop falling into this trap and get out of the way of the people that are actually doing real things?
Sorry, but it is impossible to do a real spreadsheet on the iPad.
Sorry, but it is impossible to do anything real on a smartphone.
Sorry, but it is impossible to do anything real on the web.
Sorry, but it is impossible to do anything real with a GUI.
Sorry, but it is impossible to do anything real on a PC.
Sorry, but it is impossible to do anything real on a minicomputer.
The game remains the same, only the players have changed... when will people stop falling into this trap and get out of the way of the people that are actually doing real things?
Excel probably is better than numbers but it is still possible to do one good with numbers and most people either don't care which prefer numbers or have not tried numbers.
Sorry, but it is impossible to do a real spreadsheet on the iPad. I haven't used Numbers on a Mac, hopefully it works better there. Excel is still the gold standard and if pretty is important it's not that hard to make "pretty" charts. I dislike Microsofts tinkering with the interface though, but then Apple did the same thing with IOS7. I dislike Windows, especially Win8 and its stupid charm bar. It might work with a touch interface but is horrible with a mouse. I do wonder how much of the market decline and the switch to Apple is due to people avoiding Win8.
In other words you just don’t like change. This report proves what common sense has been saying for the past decade. The overwhelming majority of computer users want to send/receive email, shop at Amazon.com, consume audio/video content, store their pictures, and compose the occasional document (homework, club newsletter, etc.) and that’s it. The vast majority of Enterprise workers can do their jobs on tablets too, from email to writing reports. I worked for AT&T for 34 years before retiring, was issued numerous desktop machines, then laptops. I used them to read/respond to email, fill out my time sheet, read technical bulletins, chat with colleagues, all totally doable with a tablet. Tablets perform those tasks easily and relatively cheaply. But tech websites are frequented by so-called prosumers, power users, techie wannabes who constantly yammer on about “real” work, hard drives, DVD burners and the like.
Get it into your heads. You are the extreme minority that mean next to nothing to current technology companies like Apple, Samsung, and others these days. You don’t need a PC to do “real” work most of the time. We have seen numerous examples of professionals editing video, creating graphic design, original art work, etc on tablets. Okay, so you need a powerful work station to do finite element analysis, engineering computations, high end rendering, etc. Well, you still have those machines available, hence the new Mac Pro, but the rest of us don’t need a traditional PC anymore. Tablets are the paradigm. Get used to it.
iPad is replacing pcS at home. PC shipmens will drop. What % of PC sales are for households? Expect that to drop to a fraction as iPads replace them.
Apple will have a laptop that is more iPad than Mac (or a PC) soon and that will sway those people who thing an ipad isn't powerful enough. It may be a few years, but it's coming.
Consumers don't need PCs. Business do (mostly). The PC era is coming to an end.
In other words you just don’t like change. This report proves what common sense has been saying for the past decade. The overwhelming majority of computer users want to send/receive email, shop at Amazon.com, consume audio/video content, store their pictures, and compose the occasional document (homework, club newsletter, etc.) and that’s it. The vast majority of Enterprise workers can do their jobs on tablets too, from email to writing reports. I worked for AT&T for 34 years before retiring, was issued numerous desktop machines, then laptops. I used them to read/respond to email, fill out my time sheet, read technical bulletins, chat with colleagues, all totally doable with a tablet. Tablets perform those tasks easily and relatively cheaply. But tech websites are frequented by so-called prosumers, power users, techie wannabes who constantly yammer on about “real” work, hard drives, DVD burners and the like.
Get it into your heads. You are the extreme minority that mean next to nothing to current technology companies like Apple, Samsung, and others these days. You don’t need a PC to do “real” work most of the time. We have seen numerous examples of professionals editing video, creating graphic design, original art work, etc on tablets. Okay, so you need a powerful work station to do finite element analysis, engineering computations, high end rendering, etc. Well, you still have those machines available, hence the new Mac Pro, but the rest of us don’t need a traditional PC anymore. Tablets are the paradigm. Get used to it.
Actually I like change as long as it is for the better. Abandoning a desktop or decent laptop to do s spreadsheet on an iPad doesn't pass that test. I do write reports in my job, I wouldn't even want to try doing that on an iPad. Cutting and pasting from spreadsheets or copying sections from other reports, web pages etc demands a lot more real estate than an iPad can provide. I can't imagine anyone in my office being able to efficiently do their work on an iPad. There is a heck of a lot to most work besides filling out timesheets,reading reports, responding to emails and chatting with collegues. If that's all you did, if you worked for me you wouldn't have lasted a week let alone 34 years.
I suppose it all depends on what one thinks of as a "proper" spreadsheet. For my analytical work Numbers does not cover many features that I actually need and use. The latest dumbed down update has certainly not helped matters.
As a product, when used for genuine professional use Excel is a mightily powerful tool and MS actually deserves credit for it.
Excel is not designed for the home user who simply wants to balance their cheque book or to create a shopping list, sadly most people use it for "work" like this.
Numbers on the Mac is fine, it covers the basics and for most people that is all they will ever need. On the iPad it's genuinely impressive, but is not and likely never will be a true excel replacement.
While I do agree with you and am a Excel "power user" (whatever that is), I don't expect any company will ever get close to doing what Excel can do. However, if the old 80/20 rule applies (80% of the users only use 20% of the power of Excel), then implementing the right 20% of the function can steal 80% of the customers.
Apple has a good start on that 20% and can rule the market if done right. I do agree with another poster who mentioned that Apple Numbers makes better looking spreadsheets by an unsophisticated user than Excel by a similar user. Excel can produce really professional spreadsheets, but it takes a very skilled Excel user to make that happen.
In other words you just don’t like change. This report proves what common sense has been saying for the past decade. The overwhelming majority of computer users want to send/receive email, shop at Amazon.com, consume audio/video content, store their pictures, and compose the occasional document (homework, club newsletter, etc.) and that’s it. The vast majority of Enterprise workers can do their jobs on tablets too, from email to writing reports. I worked for AT&T for 34 years before retiring, was issued numerous desktop machines, then laptops. I used them to read/respond to email, fill out my time sheet, read technical bulletins, chat with colleagues, all totally doable with a tablet. Tablets perform those tasks easily and relatively cheaply. But tech websites are frequented by so-called prosumers, power users, techie wannabes who constantly yammer on about “real” work, hard drives, DVD burners and the like.
Get it into your heads. You are the extreme minority that mean next to nothing to current technology companies like Apple, Samsung, and others these days. You don’t need a PC to do “real” work most of the time. We have seen numerous examples of professionals editing video, creating graphic design, original art work, etc on tablets. Okay, so you need a powerful work station to do finite element analysis, engineering computations, high end rendering, etc. Well, you still have those machines available, hence the new Mac Pro, but the rest of us don’t need a traditional PC anymore. Tablets are the paradigm. Get used to it.
Actually I like change as long as it is for the better. Abandoning a desktop or decent laptop to do s spreadsheet on an iPad doesn't pass that test. I do write reports in my job, I wouldn't even want to try doing that on an iPad. Cutting and pasting from spreadsheets or copying sections from other reports, web pages etc demands a lot more real estate than an iPad can provide. I can't imagine anyone in my office being able to efficiently do their work on an iPad. There is a heck of a lot to most work besides filling out timesheets,reading reports, responding to emails and chatting with collegues. If that's all you did, if you worked for me you wouldn't have lasted a week let alone 34 years.
Well, my “real” work consisted of maintaining the telephone switch so you could make your phone calls in and out of your office, not writing reports and using the computer I was issued, and that’s my point. You can’t imagine “real” work other than your own and how you have traditionally performed it. You don’t need a traditional PC to do most “real” work anymore, including yours. A tablet will do most of it and that’s why PC sales are declining. Claiming you can’t do a “real” spreadsheet on a tablet doesn’t change that fact.
Gartner's charts have a note at the bottom that reads: "Data includes desk-based PCs and mobile PCs, including mini-notebooks, but not media tablets such as the iPad."
Ebook readers are "media tablets".
Inexpensive tablets that only play audio and video media are "media tablets".
But tablets like the iPad, full-Android tablets, and Microsoft Surface, as NOT "media tablets"!
Those tablets are full Personal Computers because they have the same productivity capabilities as desktop and notebook PCs. They should be included in the calculations.
Even the fact that people are buying tablets as replacements for notebook PCs, should make that apparent. Sales of notebook PCs have been steadily declining over the past few years (after a long run of annual increases), while sales of tablets have been steadily increasing.
A "PC" is not dependent on what operating system it runs, but on its capabilities as a personal computer.
Initially, Personal Computers ran DOS-type operating systems (MS-DOS, Apple-DOS, etc.) run by command line.
Did we disqualify desktop computers as PC's when they ran new GUI operating systems? Nope!
Did we disqualify notebook PCs, because they were not the desktop PCs that we were used to, and were less powerful than desktops? Nope.
What we are seeing now with tablets is the next generation of Personal Computers. Anyone who cannot see the obvious is living in denial.
What I think it's unfair is to add chrome books as computers as their crippled OS lets you do even less than iPad / android (they are essentially a web browser) it's like the juju tablet
All these means Apple will be moving their iPad and iPhone from a Content Consuming Devices to a Content Producing Devices. And Replace most of the Jobs that Cheap Notebook / Netbook do.
Chromebook accounted for 21% of notebook sales last year.
The 21% marketshare figure you're quoting refers to commercial channel sales to businesses and institutions (like schools) through specialist wholesalers only. Retail sales though normal consumer channels are not included. The source is from NPD here.
In 2014 I think consumers will continue to move away from desktop PCs towards more mobile devices. But that doesn't mean doom and gloom for the traditional PC market.
Despite shortages in North America (and other regions), full x86 Windows tablets/2-in-1s such as the ASUS T100 still managed to ship 500,000 units worldwide in Q4 of 2013. ASUS expects to ship 2 million in 2014 when the production demand can be met. Devices like the T100 represent the first Windows tablets/2-in-1s that are functional and portable, something previous Clover Trail powered tablets could not achieve.
Devices like the T100 will not be alone in 2014. With even more powerful hardware coming, the capabilities of these x86 devices will only improve leaps and bound each year.
I'm personally looking forward to the up and coming competition and innovation we'll see from the major players (Apple, Microsoft, Google, etc.) in 2014.
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I've tried so many time to go over to Windows 98 , windows 7 and 8 . It is disaster , always looking where can I find this or that .
Wasting of time .
Then I tried a Sony Xperia go with Android latest version. When I went on holidays to Cyprus I was reading a 150 pages manual in the plane and even the basics I couldn't find in the manuals . After 5 months I give it up and I've bought an Iphone 4S .
A manual what is that ? I didn't need it .
My son he has a Windows phone and whit the same frustration .
I've wasted so many hours that if I calculate the hours , I could by a nice car.
MS office , please take RAGTIME 6.5 . That is also an office software , but with the same power and easier to use .
Conclusion : with an Android of Windows gsm or tablet or computer , I have this expression :
You can be very busy without doing nothing serious .
With an Apple , you can move forward .
An apple product cost a little bit more, but it works and you don't need PROZAC .
All the best from someone in Belgium .
The country with the best beers and best chocolat and so much more .
Sorry, but it is impossible to do a real spreadsheet on the iPad.
Sorry, but it is impossible to do anything real on a smartphone.
Sorry, but it is impossible to do anything real on the web.
Sorry, but it is impossible to do anything real with a GUI.
Sorry, but it is impossible to do anything real on a PC.
Sorry, but it is impossible to do anything real on a minicomputer.
The game remains the same, only the players have changed... when will people stop falling into this trap and get out of the way of the people that are actually doing real things?
We'll, it's obvious...
None of those has a proper OS.
Sorry, but it is impossible to do a real spreadsheet on the iPad. I haven't used Numbers on a Mac, hopefully it works better there. Excel is still the gold standard and if pretty is important it's not that hard to make "pretty" charts. I dislike Microsofts tinkering with the interface though, but then Apple did the same thing with IOS7. I dislike Windows, especially Win8 and its stupid charm bar. It might work with a touch interface but is horrible with a mouse. I do wonder how much of the market decline and the switch to Apple is due to people avoiding Win8.
In other words you just don’t like change. This report proves what common sense has been saying for the past decade. The overwhelming majority of computer users want to send/receive email, shop at Amazon.com, consume audio/video content, store their pictures, and compose the occasional document (homework, club newsletter, etc.) and that’s it. The vast majority of Enterprise workers can do their jobs on tablets too, from email to writing reports. I worked for AT&T for 34 years before retiring, was issued numerous desktop machines, then laptops. I used them to read/respond to email, fill out my time sheet, read technical bulletins, chat with colleagues, all totally doable with a tablet. Tablets perform those tasks easily and relatively cheaply. But tech websites are frequented by so-called prosumers, power users, techie wannabes who constantly yammer on about “real” work, hard drives, DVD burners and the like.
Get it into your heads. You are the extreme minority that mean next to nothing to current technology companies like Apple, Samsung, and others these days. You don’t need a PC to do “real” work most of the time. We have seen numerous examples of professionals editing video, creating graphic design, original art work, etc on tablets. Okay, so you need a powerful work station to do finite element analysis, engineering computations, high end rendering, etc. Well, you still have those machines available, hence the new Mac Pro, but the rest of us don’t need a traditional PC anymore. Tablets are the paradigm. Get used to it.
Apple will have a laptop that is more iPad than Mac (or a PC) soon and that will sway those people who thing an ipad isn't powerful enough. It may be a few years, but it's coming.
Consumers don't need PCs. Business do (mostly). The PC era is coming to an end.
What Apple has done with the iWork suite is nothing short of brilliant.
Silly rabbit, everyone knows that a PC running Office is required for Real Work (TM).
Google should release actual numbers then. Otherwise it's smoke and mirrors.
OS X for iPhone coming soon! /s
In other words you just don’t like change. This report proves what common sense has been saying for the past decade. The overwhelming majority of computer users want to send/receive email, shop at Amazon.com, consume audio/video content, store their pictures, and compose the occasional document (homework, club newsletter, etc.) and that’s it. The vast majority of Enterprise workers can do their jobs on tablets too, from email to writing reports. I worked for AT&T for 34 years before retiring, was issued numerous desktop machines, then laptops. I used them to read/respond to email, fill out my time sheet, read technical bulletins, chat with colleagues, all totally doable with a tablet. Tablets perform those tasks easily and relatively cheaply. But tech websites are frequented by so-called prosumers, power users, techie wannabes who constantly yammer on about “real” work, hard drives, DVD burners and the like.
Get it into your heads. You are the extreme minority that mean next to nothing to current technology companies like Apple, Samsung, and others these days. You don’t need a PC to do “real” work most of the time. We have seen numerous examples of professionals editing video, creating graphic design, original art work, etc on tablets. Okay, so you need a powerful work station to do finite element analysis, engineering computations, high end rendering, etc. Well, you still have those machines available, hence the new Mac Pro, but the rest of us don’t need a traditional PC anymore. Tablets are the paradigm. Get used to it.
Actually I like change as long as it is for the better. Abandoning a desktop or decent laptop to do s spreadsheet on an iPad doesn't pass that test. I do write reports in my job, I wouldn't even want to try doing that on an iPad. Cutting and pasting from spreadsheets or copying sections from other reports, web pages etc demands a lot more real estate than an iPad can provide. I can't imagine anyone in my office being able to efficiently do their work on an iPad. There is a heck of a lot to most work besides filling out timesheets,reading reports, responding to emails and chatting with collegues. If that's all you did, if you worked for me you wouldn't have lasted a week let alone 34 years.OS X for iPhone coming soon! /s
There are open source projects to port Darwin to ARM since Apple has yet to release the source code to parts of iOS:
http://winocm.com/projects/research/2013/11/22/milestone-one/
While I do agree with you and am a Excel "power user" (whatever that is), I don't expect any company will ever get close to doing what Excel can do. However, if the old 80/20 rule applies (80% of the users only use 20% of the power of Excel), then implementing the right 20% of the function can steal 80% of the customers.
Apple has a good start on that 20% and can rule the market if done right. I do agree with another poster who mentioned that Apple Numbers makes better looking spreadsheets by an unsophisticated user than Excel by a similar user. Excel can produce really professional spreadsheets, but it takes a very skilled Excel user to make that happen.
In other words you just don’t like change. This report proves what common sense has been saying for the past decade. The overwhelming majority of computer users want to send/receive email, shop at Amazon.com, consume audio/video content, store their pictures, and compose the occasional document (homework, club newsletter, etc.) and that’s it. The vast majority of Enterprise workers can do their jobs on tablets too, from email to writing reports. I worked for AT&T for 34 years before retiring, was issued numerous desktop machines, then laptops. I used them to read/respond to email, fill out my time sheet, read technical bulletins, chat with colleagues, all totally doable with a tablet. Tablets perform those tasks easily and relatively cheaply. But tech websites are frequented by so-called prosumers, power users, techie wannabes who constantly yammer on about “real” work, hard drives, DVD burners and the like.
Get it into your heads. You are the extreme minority that mean next to nothing to current technology companies like Apple, Samsung, and others these days. You don’t need a PC to do “real” work most of the time. We have seen numerous examples of professionals editing video, creating graphic design, original art work, etc on tablets. Okay, so you need a powerful work station to do finite element analysis, engineering computations, high end rendering, etc. Well, you still have those machines available, hence the new Mac Pro, but the rest of us don’t need a traditional PC anymore. Tablets are the paradigm. Get used to it.
Actually I like change as long as it is for the better. Abandoning a desktop or decent laptop to do s spreadsheet on an iPad doesn't pass that test. I do write reports in my job, I wouldn't even want to try doing that on an iPad. Cutting and pasting from spreadsheets or copying sections from other reports, web pages etc demands a lot more real estate than an iPad can provide. I can't imagine anyone in my office being able to efficiently do their work on an iPad. There is a heck of a lot to most work besides filling out timesheets,reading reports, responding to emails and chatting with collegues. If that's all you did, if you worked for me you wouldn't have lasted a week let alone 34 years.
Well, my “real” work consisted of maintaining the telephone switch so you could make your phone calls in and out of your office, not writing reports and using the computer I was issued, and that’s my point. You can’t imagine “real” work other than your own and how you have traditionally performed it. You don’t need a traditional PC to do most “real” work anymore, including yours. A tablet will do most of it and that’s why PC sales are declining. Claiming you can’t do a “real” spreadsheet on a tablet doesn’t change that fact.
Chromebook accounted for 21% of notebook sales last year.
And what percentage of profit or $sales?
What I think it's unfair is to add chrome books as computers as their crippled OS lets you do even less than iPad / android (they are essentially a web browser) it's like the juju tablet
64Bit ARM, Stacked DDR RAM, 12" iPad.
All these means Apple will be moving their iPad and iPhone from a Content Consuming Devices to a Content Producing Devices. And Replace most of the Jobs that Cheap Notebook / Netbook do.
The 21% marketshare figure you're quoting refers to commercial channel sales to businesses and institutions (like schools) through specialist wholesalers only. Retail sales though normal consumer channels are not included. The source is from NPD here.
In 2014 I think consumers will continue to move away from desktop PCs towards more mobile devices. But that doesn't mean doom and gloom for the traditional PC market.
Despite shortages in North America (and other regions), full x86 Windows tablets/2-in-1s such as the ASUS T100 still managed to ship 500,000 units worldwide in Q4 of 2013. ASUS expects to ship 2 million in 2014 when the production demand can be met. Devices like the T100 represent the first Windows tablets/2-in-1s that are functional and portable, something previous Clover Trail powered tablets could not achieve.
Devices like the T100 will not be alone in 2014. With even more powerful hardware coming, the capabilities of these x86 devices will only improve leaps and bound each year.
I'm personally looking forward to the up and coming competition and innovation we'll see from the major players (Apple, Microsoft, Google, etc.) in 2014.
About the spreadsheets. Numbers can't be used for spreadsheets just a thousand entries long. It's too slow to load.
http://mjtsai.com/blog/2013/10/27/numbers-13-performance/
Minutes vs seconds for Excel.
And it becomes unusable really quickly when adding lots of data. No company will use it until it can compete with Excel.
Huh? It’s in the center, which is better than most PC laptops, which do put it off-center.