First, it would appear that you work for yourself, and don’t have to share a whole heck of a lot of different file formats (other than Pages and Numbers) with a whole heck of a lot of people. Second, you go on mobility and portability, but no cloud – including Apple’s – is anywhere near foolproof and 100% reliable with either. Third, you confuse the fact that something MUST come soon and MUST be done with the solution somehow being found in what you think Apple is currently doing. Fourth, you conflate issues of file structures with pap about Java and Flash. Fifth, you talk about people’s ‘massive data needs’ and yet, in Para 2 you say ‘most people’ are unlikely to need lots of power.
I could go on.
Most importantly, you appear to have not read my original post, which was only about three things (and a side question) – openness to all file types, larger storage, and cost per GB: it would really help if you are capable of following a thread of ideas, rather than jump in with self-important, confusing, contradictory ideas half-way through a conversation.
Wow, you could be more wrong if it was the wrongest day of the wrongest week of the wrongest month of the Chinese year of Wrong Wrong.
I don't work for myself I use multiple file formats all the time dealing with iWork formats to MS Office formats and even very ancient formats so don't presume anything. But that is a moot argument anyway because what I said was you only need to display the file formats that the application can handle. What part of "application dependant storage" (I mentioned this two posts ago but you've only taken me from one post so clearly you aren't understanding what's being said at all) do you not understand?
I work in iWork but I deal with documents from all types of applications although mostly MS Office because that is what THE REST OF THE OFFICE uses. I bold that because this was the case when I was working for a massive IT company and it's still the case when I decided to work for a smaller company because the lifestyle was better. I deal with ridiculous amounts of people from large government departments to small 1 man operations so I see people's data requirements ALL THE TIME. From what I've seen of these varied sites is that their data needs using a standard file structure is a complete mess. You listen to the people who are forced to try and find files and EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM will tell you it's a joke trying to find something.
By having application dependant storage you simply open the application you want to use and it will list all the file formats it can use. How is this a bad thing? If you have a 33/33/33 split of .doc/.xls/.pdf then straight away by opening Pages you've dropped 66% of all files from display making it far easier to find what you're after.
iCloud can handle ANY file format that the applications are willing to upload to it. It literally has NO limits to what it can handle. The limits come from the application and that makes sense. There is no point displaying file formats the application can't handle. I cannot in any way see how this is beneficial to the users. Tell me one way it is.
Larger storage and cost per GB is different on the cloud to local HDD. The thing people fail to realise is for every GB you have access to THEY have to pay for the data you upload to it. The mere fact you've got 5GB for your storage is pretty amazing considering they have millions of customers. That's petabytes of storage they give us for FREE. They have to pay for people to upload files to that storage space. I seriously doubt ISPs will be giving Apple and Google and the like free rides on this sort of thing. To remain profitable they have to impose limits. That cost for extra space will include rates that pay for data traffic to help make the service worthwhile. It's not all about storage space when it comes to the cloud.
My reference to Java and Flash was - if you were actually reading my post - in relation to web based document management systems. It was part of an entire paragraph about document management systems. It was in relation to why they are good but flawed in general. I've dealt with a good number of these systems and every single one of them had flaws either in the application or the implementation. I said this sort of thing must be done at OS level to make it available to all people. I've seen companies using three different document management systems and getting annoyed at why they can't share their documents easily. Like I said. Changes need to be at the OS level and Apple is slowly making those changes but they're also doing it at the application level.
You claim I wasn't reading your post but hypocritically you did the exact same thing. I've been in the game long enough to know the current file structure we use today is massively flawed and cannot handle our data requirements. The way iCloud currently works by leaving it up to the application is in my not so humble opinion the BEST way at the moment for our needs. It's dead easy to use, it's specific, and it saves time. Implementing another DropBox or Google Drive or whatever is a very bad idea. When you see how large corporations are having to manage their data you'll understand. I have and I KNOW we need to change.
By having application dependant storage you simply open the application you want to use and it will list all the file formats it can use. How is this a bad thing? If you have a 33/33/33 split of .doc/.xls/.pdf then straight away by opening Pages you've dropped 66% of all files from display making it far easier to find what you're after.
Isn't that the way apps already work? If I'm in Word and go to the Open dialog, I can only see .doc files unless you change the file type option. If I'm in Photoshop, I can only see .psd. I'm not disagreeing with your general viewpoint, but that particular gripe doesn't seem to be valid.
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What a rambling, nonsensical post.
First, it would appear that you work for yourself, and don’t have to share a whole heck of a lot of different file formats (other than Pages and Numbers) with a whole heck of a lot of people. Second, you go on mobility and portability, but no cloud – including Apple’s – is anywhere near foolproof and 100% reliable with either. Third, you confuse the fact that something MUST come soon and MUST be done with the solution somehow being found in what you think Apple is currently doing. Fourth, you conflate issues of file structures with pap about Java and Flash. Fifth, you talk about people’s ‘massive data needs’ and yet, in Para 2 you say ‘most people’ are unlikely to need lots of power.
I could go on.
Most importantly, you appear to have not read my original post, which was only about three things (and a side question) – openness to all file types, larger storage, and cost per GB: it would really help if you are capable of following a thread of ideas, rather than jump in with self-important, confusing, contradictory ideas half-way through a conversation.
Wow, you could be more wrong if it was the wrongest day of the wrongest week of the wrongest month of the Chinese year of Wrong Wrong.
I don't work for myself I use multiple file formats all the time dealing with iWork formats to MS Office formats and even very ancient formats so don't presume anything. But that is a moot argument anyway because what I said was you only need to display the file formats that the application can handle. What part of "application dependant storage" (I mentioned this two posts ago but you've only taken me from one post so clearly you aren't understanding what's being said at all) do you not understand?
I work in iWork but I deal with documents from all types of applications although mostly MS Office because that is what THE REST OF THE OFFICE uses. I bold that because this was the case when I was working for a massive IT company and it's still the case when I decided to work for a smaller company because the lifestyle was better. I deal with ridiculous amounts of people from large government departments to small 1 man operations so I see people's data requirements ALL THE TIME. From what I've seen of these varied sites is that their data needs using a standard file structure is a complete mess. You listen to the people who are forced to try and find files and EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM will tell you it's a joke trying to find something.
By having application dependant storage you simply open the application you want to use and it will list all the file formats it can use. How is this a bad thing? If you have a 33/33/33 split of .doc/.xls/.pdf then straight away by opening Pages you've dropped 66% of all files from display making it far easier to find what you're after.
iCloud can handle ANY file format that the applications are willing to upload to it. It literally has NO limits to what it can handle. The limits come from the application and that makes sense. There is no point displaying file formats the application can't handle. I cannot in any way see how this is beneficial to the users. Tell me one way it is.
Larger storage and cost per GB is different on the cloud to local HDD. The thing people fail to realise is for every GB you have access to THEY have to pay for the data you upload to it. The mere fact you've got 5GB for your storage is pretty amazing considering they have millions of customers. That's petabytes of storage they give us for FREE. They have to pay for people to upload files to that storage space. I seriously doubt ISPs will be giving Apple and Google and the like free rides on this sort of thing. To remain profitable they have to impose limits. That cost for extra space will include rates that pay for data traffic to help make the service worthwhile. It's not all about storage space when it comes to the cloud.
My reference to Java and Flash was - if you were actually reading my post - in relation to web based document management systems. It was part of an entire paragraph about document management systems. It was in relation to why they are good but flawed in general. I've dealt with a good number of these systems and every single one of them had flaws either in the application or the implementation. I said this sort of thing must be done at OS level to make it available to all people. I've seen companies using three different document management systems and getting annoyed at why they can't share their documents easily. Like I said. Changes need to be at the OS level and Apple is slowly making those changes but they're also doing it at the application level.
You claim I wasn't reading your post but hypocritically you did the exact same thing. I've been in the game long enough to know the current file structure we use today is massively flawed and cannot handle our data requirements. The way iCloud currently works by leaving it up to the application is in my not so humble opinion the BEST way at the moment for our needs. It's dead easy to use, it's specific, and it saves time. Implementing another DropBox or Google Drive or whatever is a very bad idea. When you see how large corporations are having to manage their data you'll understand. I have and I KNOW we need to change.
By having application dependant storage you simply open the application you want to use and it will list all the file formats it can use. How is this a bad thing? If you have a 33/33/33 split of .doc/.xls/.pdf then straight away by opening Pages you've dropped 66% of all files from display making it far easier to find what you're after.
Isn't that the way apps already work? If I'm in Word and go to the Open dialog, I can only see .doc files unless you change the file type option. If I'm in Photoshop, I can only see .psd. I'm not disagreeing with your general viewpoint, but that particular gripe doesn't seem to be valid.