Apple executives discuss future of Mac on platform's 30th anniversary

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  • Reply 21 of 56
    tzeshantzeshan Posts: 1,980member
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    Originally Posted by Tallest Skil View Post

     

     

    HOLY CRAP WHAT A CONCEPT. Why is it so difficult for some Apple users to comprehend this? Federighi is freaking awesome.


    Isn't he just rephrasing why the iPad succeeded in 2010?  

  • Reply 22 of 56
    jungmarkjungmark Posts: 6,705member
    What most folks don't grasp is that Steve would never authorize the merging of both platforms and eliminating the keyboard and mouse.

    Each platform is optimized for it's purpose(s)  and having the idea of a swiss army knife of computing is not feasible, nor is it productive.

    Steve is gone so no one will ever know if he would or wouldn't have done whatever.
  • Reply 23 of 56

    Federighi will be the next Apple CEO.

  • Reply 24 of 56
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    Originally Posted by Tallest Skil View Post

     

     

    Because there are opinions and then there’s being just plain wrong. It’s still an “opinion”, it’s just wrong.


    Huh?

  • Reply 25 of 56
    winterwinter Posts: 1,238member
    They can put the Mac platform on the back burner as long as it's on a burner, if they take it off, it will be very depressing and I will lose complete interest in Apple. I would hate to have to do that.
  • Reply 26 of 56
    Originally Posted by nht View Post

    You mean like the "it must be named iPhone 6" opinion or the "iPad Mini will never happen and even if it does it will suck" opinion?


     

    No, but you already know why this is different and are just trolling.

     

    It's plain wrong until Apple turns around and does it.  What they say here is exactly what they said all those other times:  current designs require too many negative trade offs and we won't make them.  Netbook -> 11" Macbook Air and 7" Tablet -> 8" iPad Mini are the two obvious examples of where other manufacturers made too many tradeoffs to meet a specific need (in both cases size) and Apple waited until they could make a small laptop or tablet that didn't suck.


     

    Obviously the iPhone mini is imminent. No one wants mobile data or a huge 3.5” screen. 

     

    Originally Posted by christopher126 View Post

    Huh?

     

    What, ‘huh’? What’s confusing now? 

  • Reply 27 of 56
    nhtnht Posts: 4,487member
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    Originally Posted by mdriftmeyer View Post

     

    What most folks don't grasp is that Steve would never authorize the merging of both platforms and eliminating the keyboard and mouse.

     

    Each platform is optimized for it's purpose(s)  and having the idea of a swiss army knife of computing is not feasible, nor is it productive.


     

    An iMac with a touchscreen trackpad instead of the magic trackpad would provide for a merging of direct and indirect UI manipulation on the desktop.


     

    A MBA with a touchscreen keyboard with haptic feedback instead of a physical keyboard would provide for both a horizontal touchscreen surface and a traditional keyboard and touchpad surface on an as needed basis.

     

    And, as horrid as it may seem, a stylus provides the hover, pressure sensitivity and precision required for fine grain manipulation (like when drawing or writing).

  • Reply 28 of 56
    nhtnht Posts: 4,487member
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    Originally Posted by Tallest Skil View Post

     

    No, but you already know why this is different and are just trolling.


     

    It isn't different at all and in fact exactly the same.  You repeatedly belittle people who's opinion differs from you in a childish fashion.  You have an opinion.  Fine.  That doesn't mean everyone else is wrong.  In fact your track record is as abysmal as most analysts.

     

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    Obviously the iPhone mini is imminent. No one wants mobile data or a huge 3.5” screen. 

     

    The iPhone Mini concept is a much smaller phone that retains key features like 4G, camera, simplified apps for the smaller screen.  Something the size of the iPod Nano or iPod shuffle.  Is it imminent?  As imminent as anything else Apple makes like an AppleTV with apps. 

     

    It's ready when it's ready.  Sometimes that's tomorrow.  Sometimes that's never.

     

    I'd buy a iPhone Nano scaled up from the iPod Nano to fit a usable sized phone keypad with the current Nano apps + iCal + iMessage and Mail.  Maps would be nice too since I don't need a big screen if Siri is providing turn by turn instructions.  All it needs to say on the screen is Turn Left in 500 Feet.  The key limitations (like with a watch) is batter life and screen size.  Yes it has a data plan.  No it doesn't have nor need a 3.5" screen.  The 2.5" screen needs to be a little wider to comfortably provide for a phone keypad but other than that it's a decent size.

  • Reply 29 of 56
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    Originally Posted by Tallest Skil View Post

     

    What, ‘huh’? What’s confusing now? 


    There's a brown speckled bird in North Africa that descends to its nest in ever decreasing circles.

     

    When it lands, it seems to disappear.

     

    It's said, that it flies up its own arsehole.

     

     

    Your missives remind me of that bird.

     

    Best.

  • Reply 30 of 56
    arlorarlor Posts: 499member
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    Originally Posted by nht View Post

     

     

    It isn't different at all and in fact exactly the same.  You repeatedly belittle people who's opinion differs from you in a childish fashion.  You have an opinion.  Fine.  That doesn't mean everyone else is wrong.  


     

    I think I'm in love.

     

    Tallest Skil doesn't get called a troll because he honestly likes Apple, but he's a troll all the same. Or whatever the right internet jargon is for somebody who's pathologically antagonistic and aggressive. 

  • Reply 31 of 56
    Originally Posted by nht View Post

    It isn't different at all and in fact exactly the same.


     

    Mmmmmmmm… no. See, we didn’t know then about that. We know now about this. No one paying any attention whatsoever could think it was the same. It’s the difference between knowledge and ignorance. We were ignorant then. We are not ignorant here.

     

    The iPhone Mini concept is a much smaller phone that retains key features like 4G




    NOPE. NOT AT ALL. Which, again, you would know if you were paying any attention whatsoever. The iPhone mini has no Wi-Fi, no Safari, no Mail, and a 2.5” screen. It is a smaller, cheaper version than the too large, too expensive, too complex iPhone.

     

    It's ready when it's ready.  Sometimes that's tomorrow.  Sometimes that's never.


     

    You’d make a spectacular analyst. No wonder you don’t understand what we’re talking about.

     

    Originally Posted by Arlor View Post

    I think I'm in love.


     

    And make that two people who don’t comprehend the simplest concept.

  • Reply 32 of 56
    arlorarlor Posts: 499member
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    Originally Posted by Tallest Skil View Post

     

     

    Mmmmmmmm… no. See, we didn’t know then about that. We know now about this. No one paying any attention whatsoever could think it was the same. It’s the difference between knowledge and ignorance. We were ignorant then. We are not ignorant here.



    NOPE. NOT AT ALL. Which, again, you would know if you were paying any attention whatsoever. The iPhone mini has no Wi-Fi, no Safari, no Mail, and a 2.5” screen. It is a smaller, cheaper version than the too large, too expensive, too complex iPhone.

     

    You’d make a spectacular analyst. No wonder you don’t understand what we’re talking about.

     

     

    And make that two people who don’t comprehend the simplest concept.


     

    Uh, dude, I wasn't agreeing with him about the gadgets. I was agreeing with him that we think that you're often unreasonably aggressive when people don't agree with you. A conclusion that I think your responses to both of us supports, whether you're right or not about the features of the mini. 

     

    If you think that "if you were paying any attention whatsoever" and "don't comprehend the simplest concept" are the way that people who disagree with each other should discuss their differences, then we'll just have to agree to disagree. This is a matter of opinion, after all.

  • Reply 33 of 56
    Originally Posted by Arlor View Post

    If you think that "if you were paying any attention whatsoever" and "don't comprehend the simplest concept" are the way that people who disagree with each other should discuss their differences, then we'll just have to agree to disagree. This is a matter of opinion, after all.


     

    Do you not understand that opinions can be wrong?

  • Reply 34 of 56
    arlorarlor Posts: 499member
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    Originally Posted by Tallest Skil View Post

     

     

    Do you not understand that opinions can be wrong?


     

    I'm quite aware of that. Yours don't often seem to be, though. 

  • Reply 35 of 56
    Originally Posted by Arlor View Post

    I'm quite aware of that. Yours don't often seem to be, though. 




    Really? Dropping iPhone versioning numbers and making an unusably small iPad; those weren’t wrong? <img class=" src="http://forums-files.appleinsider.com/images/smilies//lol.gif" />

  • Reply 36 of 56
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    Originally Posted by Tallest Skil View Post

     

     

    HOLY CRAP WHAT A CONCEPT. Why is it so difficult for some Apple users to comprehend this? Federighi is freaking awesome.


     

    Regarding touchscreen iMac displays, I can straight away see how it isn't very intuitive. I charge my iPhone on a dock so it is vertical. When I try to reply to a message or take a note when it is charging, it is very cumbersome. Working with a vertical touchscreen is ok for random selections of buttons, but not if you want to actually type or work for extended periods of time.

     

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    Originally Posted by nht View Post

     

     

    An iMac with a touchscreen trackpad instead of the magic trackpad would provide for a merging of direct and indirect UI manipulation on the desktop.


     

    A MBA with a touchscreen keyboard with haptic feedback instead of a physical keyboard would provide for both a horizontal touchscreen surface and a traditional keyboard and touchpad surface on an as needed basis.

     

    And, as horrid as it may seem, a stylus provides the hover, pressure sensitivity and precision required for fine grain manipulation (like when drawing or writing).


     

    I think something along these lines will be the solution. A touchscreen trackpad sounds like a step in the right direction. But it needs to be simple enough such that I am not distracted by it. The User should be able to concentrate on the screen and not the touchscreen trackpad.

     

    I do wish the iPad does get a Wacom Digitizer in the future for the very reason you mention in the end. I'm not sure if it isn't in their design philosophy to include a stylus or whether they are waiting to do it right before they release it.

     

    Hopefully the iPad Pro....

     

    On the topic of input accessories, the new input kits from Palette Gear sounds pretty neat for customised actions. I'm waiting for the reviews before I order it.

  • Reply 37 of 56
    rogifan wrote: »
    Steve's gone. What he would or wouldn't do is irrelevant now.

    Well also because Steve isn't the be all and end all of wisdom, alive or not. He had a great team, and they had fierce debates. Steve is a smart guy and inspirational leader, but he alone didn't wasn't Apple.
  • Reply 38 of 56
    Originally Posted by BestKeptSecret View Post

    Regarding touchscreen iMac displays, I can straight away see how it isn't very intuitive.


     

    No touchscreen Apple desktop computer would be used vertically. Ever.

  • Reply 39 of 56
    asciiascii Posts: 5,941member

    I'm glad to hear them say that the iPad and iPhone if anything allow the Mac to be more computery not less, since the Mac no longer has to be everything to everybody. It gives me hope that the Mac won't be dumbed down but maybe the Finder and other built in apps will continue to get more pro features, and the terminal and man pages will be kept up to date etc.

     

    But for those who don't like the look of iOS 7, I have to say the comments about all the products looking like they're from the same company means OS X is due for a similar facelift probably this year (as if there was any doubt).

  • Reply 40 of 56
    apple ][apple ][ Posts: 8,680member

    Good! I'm glad that they clarified at least one important issue.

     

    Now can the clueless people who keep talking nonsense about making OS X touch, or those clueless people who keep talking about merging iOS and OS X please STFU?, because Apple clearly doesn't believe in your failed and pathetic vision of the future. Go buy a damn Surface, your ideas are ridiculous. The whole idea is idiotic and doomed.

     

    It's amazing how some people are so dense that they can not grasp that simple concept. It just won't work.

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