Cook says Apple to enter 'new categories' with upcoming devices

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  • Reply 61 of 223
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    Originally Posted by professorsteve View Post



    The new product I would like to see Apple develop is an electric analog wall IClock that would keep perfect time through a Wifi connection. The "atomic" clocks currently on the market do not work.

     

    We've had a cheap $15 atomic clock on the wall for 7 years now. Works perfectly. Changes to DST and back again. The only clock that give us trouble at the moment is our iPad v1.

  • Reply 62 of 223
    Google Glass isn't augmented reality. Did you actually try them? Making such fundamental mistakes throws a lot of doubt on your statement.

    RE: Apple, I hope this isn't just an iWatch (haven't worn a watch in 15 years) or a TV (I already have a decent XBMC machine) but some unexpected category none of us can think of.

    Groan.

    Having some trouble following a thread of ideas this morning, eh?
  • Reply 63 of 223
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    Originally Posted by ItsTheInternet View Post

     

     

    So laughable that Apple needed them on iPhone from the very beginning? I don't understand why people have to pretend like Google is completely incompetent and Samsung can't make devices people like on this site. It's a weird form of collective enforced delusion.

     

    Seriously, I don't get it.


     

    Nothing binds a group together more than a common enemy. Anything said about the enemy is fair game. The worse, the better.

  • Reply 64 of 223
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    Groan.



    Having some trouble following a thread of ideas this morning, eh?



    Not particularly. How am I supposed to take you seriously when you don't even know what a product you've apparently tried is for? That's like me saying the iPhone is an elaborate clock and a stupid 'one handed clock idea' will never take off.

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    Not particularly. How am I supposed to take you seriously when you don't even know what a product you've apparently tried is for? That's like me saying the iPhone is an elaborate clock and a stupid 'one handed clock idea' will never take off.

    Um. One more try. GG has nothing necessarily to do with augmented reality. Got it?

    Why don't you tell us what problem it is that GG is providing a solution to?
  • Reply 66 of 223
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    Um. One more try. GG has nothing necessarily to do with augmented reality. Got it?

    Isn't me that needs to get it. That's exactly my point, so uh well done repeating what I said.

     

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    Why don't you tell us what problem it is that GG is providing a solution to?


    Certainly. I wear glasses anyway, so that would be no change for me. However I cycle to a lot of places so instantly the navigation options are superior to any competitor. I also receive push notifications with fair regularity, most of which I ignore so having them appear in my field of view without any interaction would be very valuable.

     

    GG solves situations where you would normally take out your phone, unlock it, read a notification and then put the phone away again. Those interactions are annoyingly common where your phone is alerting you but you don't care. It also solves situations in which you cannot take your phone out of your pocket.

     

    I don't think it's anywhere near a final product, and I doubt I'll buy one until it's pretty damn cheap and looks better, or is stereoscopic and in-field. Pretending like it's a useless product is something that my friends used to do to my Windows Mobile smartphone. "Just use your computer to browse the Internet" etc.

  • Reply 67 of 223
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    If a tree falls in a forest, but no one hears it, does it still make a sound? If you have a brilliant idea, but never make a product that effects anybody's life, is that still innovation? "Real artists ship" - Steve Jobs


     

    yes a tree makes a sound when it falls in the forest. my point was give them some time (with the driverless car especially). certain regulations must be put in place before this comes to market. And its not like its in the sketching board or anything.. they have done thousands of miles in them perfecting the technology, we have all seen the videos. this thing is coming either by google or (hopefully) by tesla, maybe others. Apple cant even get IOS for the car right in the meantime.


     


    the talk was about innovation. And even with iwatch or itv coming to market by Apple someday I painfully have to admit that a project like driverless cars beats the crap outta anything apple is rumored to have in the lab.


     


    and if i take the "real artists ship" phrase literally then Apple hasnt shipped sh1t lately either innovation-wise. Hope that changes soon. I believe in apple
  • Reply 68 of 223
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    Had those same things come from Apple I guarantee you they would have been dubbed merely 'evolutionary' by Wall Street because we have had cars and glasses for a long time, then AAPL would have gone down.

    i wish those things came from apple and i dont give a rats butt what wall street analysts would dub them. We have to agree google is doing some serious inovative work, either cars, robotics, glass ect.. its got its ship steering in the right direction. Apple should step up its game and should invest like hell in providing services. This is were all the money is. I want to see iwallet, improved icloud and stuff like that come to market in 2014

  • Reply 69 of 223
    beluga wrote: »
    i wish those things came from apple and i dont give a rats butt what wall street analysts would dub them. We have to agree google is doing some serious inovative work, either cars, robotics, glass ect.. its got its ship steering in the right direction. Apple should step up its game and should invest like hell in providing services. This is were all the money is. I want to see iwallet, improved icloud and stuff like that come to market in 2014

    Why are you worried about apple? Apple didn't release the first music player or the first smart phone. If the time is right for driverless cars, they'll get into it. Right now the market for it isn't there so let them innovate their own way.
  • Reply 70 of 223
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    Originally Posted by anantksundaram View Post





    Lots of companies are working on both driverless cars and the equivalent of Glass. Google's not doing anything unique in either. They're just getting a lot of press attention relative to others, that's all.



    Re. Glass, can you tell me what its use(s) could be that will result in tens of millions being sold? I can see some specialized applications -- e.g., teaching surgery -- but little else.



    Also, the amount of regulation, infrastructure upgrades, liability/insurance laws, etc. that have to be put in place for driverless cars to become reality suggest that it is many, many years away.



    In any event, as a company that gets 90+% of its revenues from search, what's Google's strategy here? How does this help their core business?

    well i can see a lot of specialized applications for google glass, from education to pornography :)

     

    so yes you're right driverless cars is for regulatory reasons years away.. so what does that say about the innovative capability of google? shouldnt they be credited for their efforts? can you imagine what a revolution driverless technology will bring to our society? 

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    Why are you worried about apple? Apple didn't release the first music player or the first smart phone. If the time is right for driverless cars, they'll get into it. Right now the market for it isn't there so let them innovate their own way.

    I am worried cause they are not exciting me much lately. the iwatch is something I am looking forward too. most of all what bugs me is their lack of getting into internet services. iwallet, better icloud and docs, services to capitalize on their half a billion credit cards. thats what i wanna see from apple. what do you see from apple that excites you more than what google is doing?

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    beluga wrote: »
    I am worried cause they are not exciting me much lately. the iwatch is something I am looking forward too. most of all what bugs me is their lack of getting into internet services. iwallet, better icloud and docs, services to capitalize on their half a billion credit cards. thats what i wanna see from apple. what do you see from apple that excites you more than what google is doing?

    But we know they are being worked on. And we know from past experiences that apple takes it's time to release products, but when they do, they include more features than we knew possible...

    I don't hate google... I don't like android I think it's a sloppy OS (my brother works for att and gets the free android phone)... And I think google has some amazing ideas they are working on.... I also expect these ideas to be sloppily executed and just do what you would expect them to do...

    It might not be a new category but I hate using a code to get in my iPad cause of touch ID... I bring this up because Apple is still doing things that we didn't know we wanted or needed, and that excites me. If we know their history is to release something new every 6 to 7 years average, why not wait till the next product before calling them a dead company?
  • Reply 73 of 223
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    But we know they are being worked on. And we know from past experiences that apple takes it's time to release products, but when they do, they include more features than we knew possible...



    I don't hate google... I don't like android I think it's a sloppy OS (my brother works for att and gets the free android phone)... And I think google has some amazing ideas they are working on.... I also expect these ideas to be sloppily executed and just do what you would expect them to do...



    It might not be a new category but I hate using a code to get in my iPad cause of touch ID... I bring this up because Apple is still doing things that we didn't know we wanted or needed, and that excites me. If we know their history is to release something new every 6 to 7 years average, why not wait till the next product before calling them a dead company?

    listen I agree basically with what you're saying.. I have not lost my faith in apple. I believe they still have tricks up their sleeves, hell I am a shareholder..

     

    Apple should step up their act in the internet services arena. Its so apparent that this is what they should be doing. And on the acquisition front. I wish they would have bought the likes of a t least one of so many great companies that would have boded well with Apple... netflix, dropbox, tesla, square ect..  

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    herbapouherbapou Posts: 2,221member
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    Originally Posted by Cash907 View Post

     

    He said the same thing last year, and all we got were updates of existing products. Tim needs to stop with the red herrings, and focus on actually releasing new products in new categories.


     

    its the first time he clearly speaks of "new categories" imo.  All he normally say is "great things"

  • Reply 75 of 223
    beluga wrote: »
    listen I agree basically with what you're saying.. I have not lost my faith in apple. I believe they still have tricks up their sleeves, hell I am a shareholder..

    Apple should step up their act in the internet services arena. Its so apparent that this is what they should be doing. And on the acquisition front. I wish they would have bought the likes of a t least one of so many great companies that would have boded well with Apple... netflix, dropbox, tesla, square ect..  

    I'm actually a fan of apple not buying big companies... I like that they try to outdo what's out there... As far as those companies, my opinions are:

    Tesla: cars are a weird thing, you can make the best car ever and still have problems with them in the future, I would rather them not, although I think tesla is doing amazing things.

    Netflix: they can just add the ability to rent movies to iTunes... Netflix never has anything you wanna watch anyways lol

    Dropbox: I actually don't use Dropbox... I always assumed it was like iCloud?

    Square: they can make their own system... But I think they just wanna move away from physical credit cards... But it can't be that hard, I work for chase and they developed their own "square" device.
  • Reply 76 of 223
    tkell31tkell31 Posts: 216member

    I'm confused.  Why would a person have to decide if it was a new product category?  Like a phone with a bigger screen is still a phone, it's not a new product, but a watch, TV, glasses, car, gaming system whatever is a new product line.  A payment option is not a product category, but if it generates revenue who cares what they call it.

  • Reply 77 of 223
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    well i can see a lot of specialized applications for google glass, from education to pornography :)

     

    so yes you're right driverless cars is for regulatory reasons years away.. so what does that say about the innovative capability of google? shouldnt they be credited for their efforts? can you imagine what a revolution driverless technology will bring to our society? 


    I can see why they think ‘hands-free’ could be a business model (what else is there do in a driverless car, wearing Google Glasses). But that’s their strategy? Seriously?

     

    What’s the business model in education? Record a lecture? Why? Podcast it from your seat? Why do we need more than one person wearing GG in a classroom then? Watch a lecture? Spend some actual time with that device, and tell me that you can last more than a few minutes: squinting with one eye gets very tiring and painful very fast. And talking to the stupid thing — one looks/sounds like a fool. 

     

    At the moment, it’s a solution in search of a problem, poorly implemented.

  • Reply 78 of 223
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    Originally Posted by justp1ayin View Post





    I'm actually a fan of apple not buying big companies... I like that they try to outdo what's out there... As far as those companies, my opinions are:



    Tesla: cars are a weird thing, you can make the best car ever and still have problems with them in the future, I would rather them not, although I think tesla is doing amazing things.



    Netflix: they can just add the ability to rent movies to iTunes... Netflix never has anything you wanna watch anyways lol



    Dropbox: I actually don't use Dropbox... I always assumed it was like iCloud?



    Square: they can make their own system... But I think they just wanna move away from physical credit cards... But it can't be that hard, I work for chase and they developed their own "square" device.

    if they wont buy big companies (and they probably wont) they dont need all that cash building up on the balance sheet, with all the cash they're generating every quarter, they really dont. 

     

    About tesla.. yes they are doing some amazing things. I dont get the pont about having problems in the future. If ever there was a market that needed disruption its the car industry. aluminium and glass products, top of the line design, iPad screen inside, top tech, environmentally friendly.. these all shout apple and apple should be thinking big and doing this stuff. Kudos ot Elon for spending his last dime to save this company and make us dream of a better future.

     

    dropbox, you should use it and see for yourself..

     

    netflix, itunes.. yes they can add the abiity to rent on itunes but they are not doing it.. and netflix is eating their lunch

     

    square payments.. make it happen already

  • Reply 79 of 223
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    Originally Posted by digitalclips View Post





    I agree, and I am not aiming this rant at you ... image Yet, when Apple both innovate and ship by the billions at unheard of profit levels, unless Apple ships exponentially more YoY then Apple is deemed a failure. Unless Apple innovates paradigm shifting products bi-annually Apple is a failure.



    Apple can't just dominate the profits in world wide sales of computers, phones, music, and now tablets, unless Apple also does this with at least one new category of products no one has heard of every six months, Apple is a failure.



    Apple can't just return five of the highest quarterly returns in history of the planet along side only the oil giants and totally eclipse every other tech company on the planet, no, Apple must be suffering from the 'law of big numbers' and Apple is a failure..



    Apple can't just have more money in the bank than most countries, Apple has to spend it all on buying other companies, even at massive losses, otherwise Apple is a failure.



    Face it, it doesn't matter what Apple does in the eyes of Wall Street it's a failure.



    I have to think either, there is some massive conspiracy out there in the financial world or these so called experts, be they so called tech media writers or Wall Street analysts, are in fact nothing more than your basic Apple haters and beyond reason. Clutching their Windows XP PCs, terrified now that they will never get another upgrade from Microsoft and blaming Apple. Their hope for continuing life as they know it resting on Android wiping out Apple or the rising from the ashes of Microsoft so that Office, and their knowledge of how to use it, can once again rule the World.

    No disagreement except ... why would we listen to Wall St about whether an organization is innovating or not?

  • Reply 80 of 223
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    Originally Posted by anantksundaram View Post

     

    I can see why they think ‘hands-free’ could be a business model (what else is there do in a driverless car, wearing Google Glasses). But that’s their strategy? Seriously?

     

    What’s the business model in education? Record a lecture? Why? Podcast it from your seat? Why do we need more than one person wearing GG in a classroom then? Watch a lecture? Spend some actual time with that device, and tell me that you can last more than a few minutes: squinting with one eye gets very tiring and painful very fast. And talking to the stupid thing — one looks/sounds like a fool. 

     

    At the moment, it’s a solution in search of a problem, poorly implemented.


    hands free is huge IMHO

    with education I meant labs primarily. 

    the driverless cars is what excites me the most anyway.

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