What light should those Google advocates see then? Do you even know what is talked about here? With deeper insights it is meant that advertisers can get aggregated none-personally identifiable information from Google. For things like trend analysis and stuff like that.
If you ever read Google's privacy policy you would have known this. No personal data is shared without consent (exceptions: domain admins if necessary, external processing and legal reasons, which are the same exceptions as in Apple's policy) but what they can do is this: "We may share aggregated, non-personally identifiable information publicly and with our partners – like publishers, advertisers or connected sites."
Hate it when people criticize something without actually knowing what it is about. I know a lot of people on this forum see Google as evil, but let's be rational shall we...
"aggregated, non-personally identifiable information" is pseudo-comforting language, carefully chosen to placate if you don't think too hard about it or follow the money.
Google is forming detailed profiles on you and every user they can. They may identify you with a number, username, email address and YouTube name, rather than your real name (which they probably also know) but it's still specifically tied to you. They don't just know that "some 27-year old male" searched for a divorce lawyer. They know that one specific one did--the same one that reviews his favorite restaurants on the west side of Chicago, and posts videos to YouTube from a California trip once a year, and has a given list of friends and family, and has a certain political leaning, and owes money on both a mortgage and a car loan, and fits the statistical profile of someone at risk for gambling problems.
That's on a whole different scale than what Apple collects, and is worth a ton of monetary value. And then Google shares more of that with advertisers than Apple does. And makes it less easy to opt out. In fact, Google has been caught intentionally bypassing people's opt out (Safari cookies).
When I'm using a web site and Google-served ads are showing me things based on searches I did two weeks ago, while iAds are not.... yes, I hope Google tolerators see the light more and accept less of that kind of tracking. (I point the same finger at Facebook.) That's to say nothing of cases where your data is shared OUTSIDE the official privacy policy: by bad employees or by hackers, for example. An unavoidable side effect if deep tracking is where your income comes from. Privacy is the enemy to Google's business model.
I'm much more comfortable being the customer who pays for something, instead of the product being sold.
Good. Keep the ads value lower (not zero, just less) but keep my privacy too. Apple doesn't depend on selling personal info.
"aggregated, non-personally identifiable information" is pseudo-comforting language, carefully chosen to placate if you don't think too hard about it or follow the money.
Google is forming detailed profiles on you and every user they can. They may identify you with a number, username, email address and YouTube name, rather than your real name (which they probably also know) but it's still specifically tied to you. They don't just know that "some 27-year old male" searched for a divorce lawyer. They know that one specific one did--the same one that reviews his favorite restaurants on the west side of Chicago, and posts videos to YouTube from a California trip once a year, and has a given list of friends and family, and has a certain political leaning, and owes money on both a mortgage and a car loan, and fits the statistical profile of someone at risk for gambling problems.
That's on a whole different scale than what Apple collects, and is worth a ton of monetary value. And then Google shares more of that with advertisers than Apple does. And makes it less easy to opt out. In fact, Google has been caught intentionally bypassing people's opt out (Safari cookies).
When I'm using a web site and Google-served ads are showing me things based on searches I did two weeks ago, while iAds are not.... yes, I hope Google tolerators see the light more and accept less of that kind of tracking. (I point the same finger at Facebook.) That's to say nothing of cases where your data is shared OUTSIDE the official privacy policy: by bad employees or by hackers, for example. An unavoidable side effect if deep tracking is where your income comes from. Privacy is the enemy to Google's business model.
I'm much more comfortable being the customer who pays for something, instead of the product being sold.
Yes, Google does have that information. No, Google does not share that information.
When I'm using a web site and Google-served ads are showing me things based on searches I did two weeks ago, while iAds are not.... yes, I hope Google tolerators see the light more and accept less of that kind of tracking. (I point the same finger at Facebook.)
I'm much more comfortable being the customer who pays for something, instead of the product being sold.
Apple doesn't sell personal information but here is the thing, neither does Google (no idea about Facebook though). Google certainly keeps track of a lot things, no doubt about it (but read Apple's privacy policy you will be surprised what they collect). Google does create a profile of you (only from things you do when logged in) but this information isn't sold. Targeted advertising is not the same as selling. The advertiser selects a target audience and Google does the targeting (Google determines which ad to show you, at no point does the advertiser get to see personal information).
Regarding whether it is connected to a name. If you are logged in to your Google account, then the things you do are connected to your name. You can see this in Google Dashboard. If you are not logged in it is not. Then it uses cookieID or anonymous identifier to determine which ad to show you. This data is only kept for a certain period (a couple of months). The things you do when logged in are kept for a very long time, but things like searches are user deletable.
Everyone has the choice to use whatever he/she feels most comfortable with. Personally I'm more concerned about actual data brokers who do sell personal information and collect this from all over the internet then I am about Google.
Industry insiders likened Apple's strict data limitations to forcing "the best-looking girl at the party...to wear a bag over her head,"
Funny that these "insiders" think they are being invited to the "right" party in the first place. Idiots.
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Originally Posted by PScooter63
"best looking girl... wearing a bag... frigidity..."
I can't decide if the author is being coy, or inadvertently projecting their own issues.
Serious issues. If anything, it's more like the best-looking girl is at the party that these "industry insiders" can only see from the outside of a building, looking through a window while standing on top of an old milk box.
I mean, $250M is what? A few hours of revenue for Apple overall? Google's activities are different because they are an advertising company. Apple could lose all that $250M per year of revenue, and barely notice. Advertising revenue for Google, OTOH, represents 90% of their total.
EDIT: Just to put this in perspective, Apple's revenue for 2013 was $55.60 billion.
Apple doesn't sell personal information but here is the thing, neither does Google (no idea about Facebook though). Google certainly keeps track of a lot things, no doubt about it (but read Apple's privacy policy you will be surprised what they collect). Google does create a profile of you (only from things you do when logged in) but this information isn't sold. Targeted advertising is not the same as selling. The advertiser selects a target audience and Google does the targeting (Google determines which ad to show you, at no point does the advertiser get to see personal information).
Regarding whether it is connected to a name. If you are logged in to your Google account, then the things you do are connected to your name. You can see this in Google Dashboard. If you are not logged in it is not. Then it uses cookieID or anonymous identifier to determine which ad to show you. This data is only kept for a certain period (a couple of months). The things you do when logged in are kept for a very long time, but things like searches are user deletable.
Everyone has the choice to use whatever he/she feels most comfortable with. Personally I'm more concerned about actual data brokers who do sell personal information and collect this from all over the internet then I am about Google.
Tell your drivel to your fellow Google sycophants. Google is demonstrably the most amoral major American company today. Anyone who trusts Google with their personal data is a fool.
Tell your drivel to your fellow Google sycophants. Google is demonstrably the most amoral major American company today. Anyone who trusts Google with their personal data is a fool.
lol because you try to clear up common misconceptions about Google you are a Google sycophant? The second sentence is just pure nonsense (and you probably know it). The third one is easily countered by this: 'anyone who thinks that your data isn't being collected by all kinds of data brokers all over the internet is a fool'. Compared to data brokers Google is a lamb.
This is the difference between Apple and Google. Google stuff is free or cheap because they sell info about you that these freebies elicit. You pay more for Apple gear, in part, because you have confidence that Apple will not sell you out.
Just to make it clear, when someone says that Google does not provide your personal information to advertisers, that means they aren't giving out your name, address, etc. to advertisers. But, Google is telling them about your collective behavior and habits and associating with your devices individually and collectively.
The fact that an advertiser does not know your name is true. But, they know your device address and can be even more specific in what they target you with that any mail addressed to "occupant" that reaches your mailbox.
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"aggregated, non-personally identifiable information" is pseudo-comforting language, carefully chosen to placate if you don't think too hard about it or follow the money.
Google is forming detailed profiles on you and every user they can. They may identify you with a number, username, email address and YouTube name, rather than your real name (which they probably also know) but it's still specifically tied to you. They don't just know that "some 27-year old male" searched for a divorce lawyer. They know that one specific one did--the same one that reviews his favorite restaurants on the west side of Chicago, and posts videos to YouTube from a California trip once a year, and has a given list of friends and family, and has a certain political leaning, and owes money on both a mortgage and a car loan, and fits the statistical profile of someone at risk for gambling problems.
That's on a whole different scale than what Apple collects, and is worth a ton of monetary value. And then Google shares more of that with advertisers than Apple does. And makes it less easy to opt out. In fact, Google has been caught intentionally bypassing people's opt out (Safari cookies).
When I'm using a web site and Google-served ads are showing me things based on searches I did two weeks ago, while iAds are not.... yes, I hope Google tolerators see the light more and accept less of that kind of tracking. (I point the same finger at Facebook.) That's to say nothing of cases where your data is shared OUTSIDE the official privacy policy: by bad employees or by hackers, for example. An unavoidable side effect if deep tracking is where your income comes from. Privacy is the enemy to Google's business model.
I'm much more comfortable being the customer who pays for something, instead of the product being sold.
Traduction :
Apple respect its users privacy and dont overshare, unlike Google and Facebook.
Ok, not a negative.
Did you mean 'translation'?
Thank you Apple!
I think iAd was designed for mobile which is why iAd Developer projects are built with Javascript.
Perhaps Apple's rumored iTV will also run JS, who knows?
Or maybe FCP X will get iAd developer functionality to produce video advertisements.
Apple uses their SproutCore Javascript framework in lots of things, mobile and otherwise.
Here's an AI post from 2009 about Javascript in iTunes LP and iTunes Extras:
http://appleinsider.com/articles/09/09/14/apples_tunekit_itunes_lp_format_appears_aimed_at_apple_tv
Not sure, but I don't think iTunes Extras runs on Apple TV yet, but it's HDTV-ready.
Anyway, the end result is similar to DVD / BD "special features" content but it's easier to create that content.
Seems like a natural fit for iAd + Apple TV.
And, unfortunately, I think ads will be a key enabler for Apple's long-term TV strategy.
And that means iAd. Non-skippable iAd content that you're forced to interact with to watch the rest of your content.
(Unless you pay some kind of monthly fee, in which case there wouldn't be any ads.)
Good. Keep the ads value lower (not zero, just less) but keep my privacy too. Apple doesn't depend on selling personal info.
"aggregated, non-personally identifiable information" is pseudo-comforting language, carefully chosen to placate if you don't think too hard about it or follow the money.
Google is forming detailed profiles on you and every user they can. They may identify you with a number, username, email address and YouTube name, rather than your real name (which they probably also know) but it's still specifically tied to you. They don't just know that "some 27-year old male" searched for a divorce lawyer. They know that one specific one did--the same one that reviews his favorite restaurants on the west side of Chicago, and posts videos to YouTube from a California trip once a year, and has a given list of friends and family, and has a certain political leaning, and owes money on both a mortgage and a car loan, and fits the statistical profile of someone at risk for gambling problems.
That's on a whole different scale than what Apple collects, and is worth a ton of monetary value. And then Google shares more of that with advertisers than Apple does. And makes it less easy to opt out. In fact, Google has been caught intentionally bypassing people's opt out (Safari cookies).
When I'm using a web site and Google-served ads are showing me things based on searches I did two weeks ago, while iAds are not.... yes, I hope Google tolerators see the light more and accept less of that kind of tracking. (I point the same finger at Facebook.) That's to say nothing of cases where your data is shared OUTSIDE the official privacy policy: by bad employees or by hackers, for example. An unavoidable side effect if deep tracking is where your income comes from. Privacy is the enemy to Google's business model.
I'm much more comfortable being the customer who pays for something, instead of the product being sold.
Yes, Google does have that information. No, Google does not share that information.
Apple doesn't sell personal information but here is the thing, neither does Google (no idea about Facebook though). Google certainly keeps track of a lot things, no doubt about it (but read Apple's privacy policy you will be surprised what they collect). Google does create a profile of you (only from things you do when logged in) but this information isn't sold. Targeted advertising is not the same as selling. The advertiser selects a target audience and Google does the targeting (Google determines which ad to show you, at no point does the advertiser get to see personal information).
Regarding whether it is connected to a name. If you are logged in to your Google account, then the things you do are connected to your name. You can see this in Google Dashboard. If you are not logged in it is not. Then it uses cookieID or anonymous identifier to determine which ad to show you. This data is only kept for a certain period (a couple of months). The things you do when logged in are kept for a very long time, but things like searches are user deletable.
Everyone has the choice to use whatever he/she feels most comfortable with. Personally I'm more concerned about actual data brokers who do sell personal information and collect this from all over the internet then I am about Google.
Industry insiders likened Apple's strict data limitations to forcing "the best-looking girl at the party...to wear a bag over her head,"
Funny that these "insiders" think they are being invited to the "right" party in the first place. Idiots.
"best looking girl... wearing a bag... frigidity..."
I can't decide if the author is being coy, or inadvertently projecting their own issues.
Serious issues. If anything, it's more like the best-looking girl is at the party that these "industry insiders" can only see from the outside of a building, looking through a window while standing on top of an old milk box.
Apple uses their SproutCore Javascript framework in lots of things, mobile and otherwise.
Does Apple still use SproutCore? I thought I read somewhere they bailed on it after the lead developer left. Can't find it now...
I mean, $250M is what? A few hours of revenue for Apple overall? Google's activities are different because they are an advertising company. Apple could lose all that $250M per year of revenue, and barely notice. Advertising revenue for Google, OTOH, represents 90% of their total.
EDIT: Just to put this in perspective, Apple's revenue for 2013 was $55.60 billion.
IF Apple & Apple fans want iAd to survive (READ: kick google where it hurts MOST$$), then they have to open up a bit and keep advertisers happy....
After all, remember, the world is run by Ad .... so let it be iAd!
Did you mean 'translation'?
once translated from French, traduction means . . . wait for it . . . translation
once translated from French, traduction means . . . wait for it . . . translation
It is also valid in English though :
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/Traduction
Tell your drivel to your fellow Google sycophants. Google is demonstrably the most amoral major American company today. Anyone who trusts Google with their personal data is a fool.
Tell your drivel to your fellow Google sycophants. Google is demonstrably the most amoral major American company today. Anyone who trusts Google with their personal data is a fool.
lol because you try to clear up common misconceptions about Google you are a Google sycophant? The second sentence is just pure nonsense (and you probably know it). The third one is easily countered by this: 'anyone who thinks that your data isn't being collected by all kinds of data brokers all over the internet is a fool'. Compared to data brokers Google is a lamb.
The Spanish version is similarly spelled, but you didn't translate from one language to another, you just gave your take on it.
Didn't know that, thanks, but you still did not translate from one language to another.
The fact that an advertiser does not know your name is true. But, they know your device address and can be even more specific in what they target you with that any mail addressed to "occupant" that reaches your mailbox.
To Google, it's all semantics.