See there's a ton of hypocrisy here, if I was to say "Apple stole Xerox's UI" there wouldn't be a shortage of people to correct me. For me what's right is right and what's wrong is wrong regardless if it's pro this or pro that. If you want to allow posters to spread falsehoods that's on you but I'll correct them unless they're being a obvious troll.
whatever, don't be disingenuous. It really doesn't take much intelligence to understand what was said.
And if you don't like my mouth, why don't you try to shut it up?
Your mommy will probably be happy with joy that someone actually visits you in the basement for once.
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Originally Posted by dasanman69
Ooooo big tough guy on the internet. The intelligence of the posters on this site has gone considerably down. Just see how many write 'loose' for 'lose'.
Unfortunately, the same platform that gives everyone a voice is also the same one that gives basement-dwelling tough-guys something to do while waiting for mommy to bring them down their supper.
Unfortunately, the same platform that gives everyone a voice is also the same one that gives basement-dwelling tough-guys something to do while waiting for mommy to bring them down their supper.
Why are you singling me out? I wasn't the one cursing nor issuing challenges. I may not always be agreeable but I'm respectful, cordial, and diplomatic.
Why are you singling me out? I wasn't the one cursing nor issuing challenges. I may not always be agreeable but I'm respectful, cordial, and diplomatic.
See there's a ton of hypocrisy here, if I was to say "Apple stole Xerox's UI" there wouldn't be a shortage of people to correct me. For me what's right is right and what's wrong is wrong regardless if it's pro this or pro that. If you want to allow posters to spread falsehoods that's on you but I'll correct them unless they're being a obvious troll.
It's just semantics, not hypocrisy. It's like when someone says pirated software is stolen rather than copied. Stolen isn't the right word to use as it doesn't remove the original version and there's ambiguity over it being a lost sale but people use it to emphasize the guilt the offending party should feel over their actions. When people try to encourage the use of milder terms to diminish the guilt then it's suspect.
Apple hired Xerox employees and they made a commercial success of their version of the OS where Xerox didn't and they built unique hardware. Xerox had their opportunity to profit from their version and failed.
Apple made unique mobile hardware and software and was commercially successful and after that success, were copied by Samsung and Google. Apple didn't invite them to copy it, Samsung and Google didn't hire the staff at Apple to implement similar designs and improve on them, they improved largely nothing at all.
The sales they are stealing from Apple are similarly ambiguous because many of the lower-end buyers wouldn't have bought an Apple product anyway. It doesn't really matter if it's not semantically correct to say what they did is stealing, that word is used to make the companies and their supporters feel guilty for their actions and it will continue to be used for as long as their guilt needs to be highlighted. People use words to convey meaning, if they use what you think are the wrong words then it's because the words they are supposed to be using don't convey their intended meaning. 'Stealing ideas' and 'copying' are not harsh enough terms and don't convey any sense that they result in a lost sale. It makes it sound as though they took a little idea here and there when in fact they set out to replicate the entire product down to the packaging and peripherals. The fact that Google even had to tell Samsung to ease up on it shows how far they went:
"In February 2010, Google told Samsung that Samsung’s “P1” and “P3” tablets (Galaxy Tab and Galaxy Tab 10.1) were “too similar” to the iPad and demanded “distinguishable design vis-à-vis the iPad for the P3.”
In 2011, Samsung’s own Product Design Group noted that it is “regrettable” that the Galaxy S “looks similar” to older iPhone models.
As part of a formal, Samsung-sponsored evaluation, famous designers warned Samsung that the Galaxy S “looked like it copied the iPhone too much,” and that “innovation is needed.” The designers explained that the appearance of the Galaxy S “[c]losely resembles the iPhone shape so as to have no distinguishable elements,” and “[a]ll you have to do is cover up the Samsung logo and it’s difficult to find anything different from the iPhone.”"
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See there's a ton of hypocrisy here, if I was to say "Apple stole Xerox's UI" there wouldn't be a shortage of people to correct me. For me what's right is right and what's wrong is wrong regardless if it's pro this or pro that. If you want to allow posters to spread falsehoods that's on you but I'll correct them unless they're being a obvious troll.
whatever, don't be disingenuous. It really doesn't take much intelligence to understand what was said.
And if you don't like my mouth, why don't you try to shut it up?
Your mommy will probably be happy with joy that someone actually visits you in the basement for once.
Ooooo big tough guy on the internet. The intelligence of the posters on this site has gone considerably down. Just see how many write 'loose' for 'lose'.
Unfortunately, the same platform that gives everyone a voice is also the same one that gives basement-dwelling tough-guys something to do while waiting for mommy to bring them down their supper.
Why are you singling me out? I wasn't the one cursing nor issuing challenges. I may not always be agreeable but I'm respectful, cordial, and diplomatic.
-k
I dont think he was aiming that at you.
It's just semantics, not hypocrisy. It's like when someone says pirated software is stolen rather than copied. Stolen isn't the right word to use as it doesn't remove the original version and there's ambiguity over it being a lost sale but people use it to emphasize the guilt the offending party should feel over their actions. When people try to encourage the use of milder terms to diminish the guilt then it's suspect.
Apple hired Xerox employees and they made a commercial success of their version of the OS where Xerox didn't and they built unique hardware. Xerox had their opportunity to profit from their version and failed.
Apple made unique mobile hardware and software and was commercially successful and after that success, were copied by Samsung and Google. Apple didn't invite them to copy it, Samsung and Google didn't hire the staff at Apple to implement similar designs and improve on them, they improved largely nothing at all.
The sales they are stealing from Apple are similarly ambiguous because many of the lower-end buyers wouldn't have bought an Apple product anyway. It doesn't really matter if it's not semantically correct to say what they did is stealing, that word is used to make the companies and their supporters feel guilty for their actions and it will continue to be used for as long as their guilt needs to be highlighted. People use words to convey meaning, if they use what you think are the wrong words then it's because the words they are supposed to be using don't convey their intended meaning. 'Stealing ideas' and 'copying' are not harsh enough terms and don't convey any sense that they result in a lost sale. It makes it sound as though they took a little idea here and there when in fact they set out to replicate the entire product down to the packaging and peripherals. The fact that Google even had to tell Samsung to ease up on it shows how far they went:
http://allthingsd.com/20120725/apple-google-warned-samsung-against-copying-us/
"In February 2010, Google told Samsung that Samsung’s “P1” and “P3” tablets (Galaxy Tab and Galaxy Tab 10.1) were “too similar” to the iPad and demanded “distinguishable design vis-à-vis the iPad for the P3.”
In 2011, Samsung’s own Product Design Group noted that it is “regrettable” that the Galaxy S “looks similar” to older iPhone models.
As part of a formal, Samsung-sponsored evaluation, famous designers warned Samsung that the Galaxy S “looked like it copied the iPhone too much,” and that “innovation is needed.” The designers explained that the appearance of the Galaxy S “[c]losely resembles the iPhone shape so as to have no distinguishable elements,” and “[a]ll you have to do is cover up the Samsung logo and it’s difficult to find anything different from the iPhone.”"
whatever, don't be disingenuous. It really doesn't take much intelligence to understand what was said.
And if you don't like my mouth,
You're upset he doesn't like your mouth?
What are you, like 4 years old?
You should post your address. Let's see if he shows up.
Part of Steve Jobs’ meditation ritual every morning.
Nice lol! but probably true