New iPod will not succeed...

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in iPod + iTunes + AppleTV edited January 2014
anywhere close to it's predecessor. I'm guessing the majority of people who are in line to buy an iPod was more concerned with price rather than storage space.



Yes, the 10gig version will satisfy many who just need to have 2000 songs at their fingertips.



But, how many more iPods do you think Apple would have sold had they lowered the current version to $299? A lot more than those forking out $499 for the new one!
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  • Reply 1 of 52
    alcimedesalcimedes Posts: 5,486member
    yeah, i would have liked to see the prices drop on the 5Gb model. i would have been nice to find the 10Gb model for $399, and the 5Gb model for $299. oh well.
  • Reply 2 of 52
    emaneman Posts: 7,204member
    I totally agree with you. $499 for an MP3 player is ridiculous. Who really needs 2000 songs with them all the time? I thought 1000 was pushing it.
  • Reply 3 of 52
    [quote]Originally posted by satchmo:

    <strong>anywhere close to it's predecessor. I'm guessing the majority of people who are in line to buy an iPod was more concerned with price rather than storage space.



    Yes, the 10gig version will satisfy many who just need to have 2000 songs at their fingertips.



    But, how many more iPods do you think Apple would have sold had they lowered the current version to $299? A lot more than those forking out $499 for the new one!</strong><hr></blockquote>





    as much as i'd love to ignore this post (as it should be)...



    don't you think the prices will drop in time? like, as soon as apple has recouped the R&D costs, and/or the drives going into the units come down in price?



    quit yer bitchin'
  • Reply 4 of 52
    max8319max8319 Posts: 347member
    actually, i have seen a few people on these boards aching for a 10 gig ipod. though, i doubt many of them will get it at the $500 price
  • Reply 5 of 52
    max8319max8319 Posts: 347member
    apple will most likely be in the red this quarter. they can't afford to cut prices. even though more people would buy them at $300, it would only hurt them in the short term, which seems pretty bad as it is
  • Reply 6 of 52
    satchmosatchmo Posts: 2,699member
    [quote]Originally posted by concentricity:

    as much as i'd love to ignore this post (as it should be)...

    <hr></blockquote>



    Yet somehow you can't



    [quote] don't you think the prices will drop in time? like, as soon as apple has recouped the R&D costs, and/or the drives going into the units come down in price?



    quit yer bitchin' <hr></blockquote>



    You miss the point. They would probably sell a ton more at $299 and make more money than selling fewer at $499.



    And it ain't bitchin, it's debatin'
  • Reply 7 of 52
    applenutapplenut Posts: 5,768member
    [quote]Originally posted by Max8319:

    <strong>apple will most likely be in the red this quarter. they can't afford to cut prices. even though more people would buy them at $300, it would only hurt them in the short term, which seems pretty bad as it is</strong><hr></blockquote>



    cough... bullshit... cough





    499 took me completely off guard. I've been waiting for a 10GB iPod or a 299 5GB ipod since the iPod was announced.



    I may get the 10GB though. I want it so bad but I don't really want to spend so damn much
  • Reply 8 of 52
    amorphamorph Posts: 7,112member
    [quote]Originally posted by satchmo:

    <strong>



    You miss the point. They would probably sell a ton more at $299 and make more money than selling fewer at $499.



    And it ain't bitchin, it's debatin' </strong><hr></blockquote>



    If they sell it for less than it costs them, they'll bleed money, and the more it sells the more they'll bleed. I don't know for a cold fact that the 5GB iPod costs Apple more than $300 a pop, but it wouldn't surprise me.



    The pricing tells me that, contrary to all the people who've always said the price was a deal-breaker, the iPod is still a strong seller, and the 10GB version is at a premium because sales of the 5GB version aren't flagging.



    Apple is consciously pursuing a strategy of increasing market share at the expense of their profit margins. Fred Anderson came right out and said so, and if the "5 down, 95 to go" retail campaign isn't proof enough, the razor-thin margins on the new iMac should be. They've never made that much money on the iPod, as far as I can tell, and if they're not lowering the price it's probably because they can't lower it enough to significantly impact the number of units sold, and keep it profitable.



    It'll probably continue selling well for as long as it has no serious competition, and so I imagine its price point will hold pretty well. There are players with bigger hard drives and more features, but they're still nowhere near as usable.
  • Reply 9 of 52
    satchmosatchmo Posts: 2,699member
    [quote]Originally posted by Amorph:

    <strong>



    If they sell it for less than it costs them, they'll bleed money, and the more it sells the more they'll bleed. I don't know for a cold fact that the 5GB iPod costs Apple more than $300 a pop, but it wouldn't surprise me.



    </strong><hr></blockquote>



    It's all speculation unless we know what it costs Apple. While the push for greater market share is a goal (although I'm not sure how seriously they're pursuing it), I don't think they'd venture into something without a reasonalble margin let alone a loss.



    It would have been a highly risky move to market a $400 unproven item and take a hit on each one sold.
  • Reply 10 of 52
    groveratgroverat Posts: 10,872member
    Ooh the logic (aside from Amorph's) is astounding in here!



    You can get your same damned iPod for the same damned price if you like or you can spend $100 more for 5g extra of space.



    2000 is not too much. As far as I'm concerned, it's not enough. I have 18.5g of mp3s and a ton of CDs I still haven't ripped.



    This 10g iPod is seriously making my Visa run and hide from me.
  • Reply 11 of 52
    murbotmurbot Posts: 5,261member
    Exactly.



    "You mean I can double the hard drive size in an iPod for an extra $100? F uck you Apple!!!"



    Jesus.



    Don't like it? Don't buy the damn thing.
  • Reply 12 of 52
    craiger77craiger77 Posts: 133member
    Toshiba is still selling the 5GB drive used in the iPod for $399. You can't expect Apple to lower its prices if their suppliers don't lower theres. Seems Toshiba has a bit of monoply at the moment on drives of this capacity that are small enough for the iPod. Hopefully IBM will increase the capacity of their microdrives to give them some competition soon.
  • Reply 13 of 52
    krazyfoolkrazyfool Posts: 129member
    With $50 custom laser engraving these things will be flying off the shelves!!!



  • Reply 14 of 52
    serranoserrano Posts: 1,806member
    [quote]Originally posted by EmAn:

    <strong>I totally agree with you. $499 for an MP3 player is ridiculous. Who really needs 2000 songs with them all the time? I thought 1000 was pushing it.</strong><hr></blockquote>







    I totally agree with you. $499 for an MP3 player and organizer is ridiculous. Who really needs 1000 songs, several divx movies, all their personal files, a bootable disk with both os 9 and X with superfast firewire connectivity and their software (or compusa's ) with them all the time? I thought 1000 was pushing it.



    Don't sell it short, it's a lot of money but it is far more than simply an mp3 player.



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  • Reply 15 of 52
    [quote]originally posted by raiger77



    Toshiba is still selling the 5GB drive used in the iPod for $399.<hr></blockquote>



    I believe Toshiba wouldn't like Apple to sell the iPod for a price lower than the drive alone. Sure, Apple doesn't pay $399 but it is still a good price.

    You can pay $399 for a 1.8" HD or pay the same for a 1.8" HD plus firewire connector plus mp3 player.

    cmon tell me your choice. <img src="graemlins/smokin.gif" border="0" alt="[Chilling]" />
  • Reply 16 of 52
    i wish i could justify an ipod purchase, even though i dont really need one... a lower price might have helped, but i understand apple's postition.

    would ya believe, i tried dropping my old discman a few times so i could have an excuse to get an ipod, but damn that sucka still works. <img src="graemlins/bugeye.gif" border="0" alt="[Skeptical]" />
  • Reply 17 of 52
    KrazyFool,



    I know you didn't mean that they wouldactually be flying off the shelves because of the custom engraving, but what you said is true.



    The iPod ended up something that people would buy for themselves. No one could justify buying it as a gift for someone else. Now it is perfect for parents to give at graduations, bar mitzvas, any special occasion where a gift is a good idea.



    It actually does increase the marked potential of the iPod significantly.



    pi
  • Reply 18 of 52
    What about a 2 or 3 Gig one???
  • Reply 19 of 52
    Sorry satchmo, but your logic is flawed.



    The 10GB not only will succeed, it already has succeeded. How? Simple. It's what manufacturers call 'commonality.'



    the 10GB iPod is 99.9% a copy of the original iPod, so it is already bought and paid for on Apple's books. That .01% difference is just the HD, which costs no more to install and whose wholesale price is more than offset by the $100 extra the consumer pays.



    Essentially, as long as the 5GB models are selling well (which they are) then every 10GB model Apple sells is pure profit.



    Until the prices drop I doubt the 10GB will sell nearly as well as the 5GB, but Apple only has to sell one for that model to be a success.
  • Reply 20 of 52
    satchmosatchmo Posts: 2,699member
    [quote]Originally posted by Michael Grey:

    <strong>Sorry satchmo, but your logic is flawed.



    The 10GB not only will succeed, it already has succeeded. How? Simple. It's what manufacturers call 'commonality.'



    the 10GB iPod is 99.9% a copy of the original iPod, so it is already bought and paid for on Apple's books. That .01% difference is just the HD, which costs no more to install and whose wholesale price is more than offset by the $100 extra the consumer pays.



    Essentially, as long as the 5GB models are selling well (which they are) then every 10GB model Apple sells is pure profit.



    Until the prices drop I doubt the 10GB will sell nearly as well as the 5GB, but Apple only has to sell one for that model to be a success.</strong><hr></blockquote>



    Yes, I understand. But you're splitting hairs here. Sure, the R&D on the 10GB has been absorbed by the initial 5GB.

    My point is that the actual numbers sold won't be as great, which I think you agree.



    I also find it funny how easily offended some people get over a simple opinion. I believe it's too expensive and no, I won't buy one....others may .

    Folks, chill out.
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