Context-aware AI seen as key component behind Apple's new CarPlay

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  • Reply 21 of 53
    macinthe408macinthe408 Posts: 1,050member
    Will it be smart enough to know not to start reading a text from some random chick when you have a different random chick in the car with you?
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  • Reply 22 of 53
    gatorguygatorguy Posts: 24,769member
    andysol wrote: »

    It does. Just tried it on a reservation from vacation rental by owners that I'm going to savannah ga in June. Started typing the address and it said the full address "by Mary milsap" (the name of the vacation rental owner). Pulled from her email. Btw- I've never mapped that address before or stayed there before. Data was off

    Thanks for checking. That was helpful.
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  • Reply 23 of 53
    maestro64maestro64 Posts: 5,043member
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    Will it be smart enough to know not to start reading a text from some random chick when you have a different random chick in the car with you?

    Yeah that was not a good siri commercial, last thing people want is their phone ratting them out.

     

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  • Reply 24 of 53
    shogunshogun Posts: 362member
    Praying for aftermarket systems with this functionality.
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  • Reply 25 of 53
    mstonemstone Posts: 11,510member
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    Not sure why you're convinced servers won't be involved.


    With onboard maps you don't use up your data. I could see people going through a lot of data unless they pay attention that stuff is getting sent back and forth to the servers over the cell network. Stuff that used to be local to the car.

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    applesauce007applesauce007 Posts: 1,715member
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    Who does? Loaded question of course as it's not something Google does. That was your implication wasn't it. image

    Google does to mine gmail to target users with advertising.

    Just keep your iPhone free of Google applications and everything will be fine.

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  • Reply 27 of 53
    mstone wrote: »
    With onboard maps you don't use up your data. I could see people going through a lot of data unless they pay attention that stuff is getting sent back and forth to the servers over the cell network. Stuff that used to be local to the car.

    That is true, but it might not be a big problem.

    Apple's current Maps application uses vector drawing for display, a much more data efficient method than the bitmapped graphics Google supplied to the original Maps app.
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  • Reply 28 of 53
    d4njvrzfd4njvrzf Posts: 797member
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    Except they're not mining it to sell to advertisers.

    Google doesn't let me buy your personal data either. Adwords does not let me purchase your email address, for example.

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  • Reply 29 of 53
    macartmacart Posts: 78member
    Can't wait to see where this puts Apple maps in a year after collecting all this traffic data, locations and user feedback.
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  • Reply 30 of 53
    Regarding maps, this is partly done already in iOS 7. In the Notification Center on the Today tab you are given suggestions on how long it would take you to get to a destination that you usually go to around that time on that day. Like right now, my iPhone is telling me that it will take me about 12 minutes to get to the gym because I go to the gym every Monday. It looks like CarPlay will be an extension and expansion of this with more predetermined destinations using your recent involvement with the phone.

    With hindsight, this looks to be the main reason why Google and Apple had to break up regarding maps. If Apple were to move into CarPlay they would not want Google as their maps solution or Google would charge too much to license its use and then just do it themselves.
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  • Reply 31 of 53
    genovellegenovelle Posts: 1,481member
    gatorguy wrote: »
    I do believe they do targeted ads sir. That's what the really oddly-placed and hard- to-find and confusing-to-some iAd toggle is supposed to disable isn't it?
    But I find I am followed by Google even when I'm not using them. I work in the medical field and chrome is not supposed to be used on the computers. One of our techs showed me how chrome has a server running in the background doing who knows what, even when it's not the default browser or even open. They used to be able to block people from installing it but a few months ago Google found a way to disable that ability.
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  • Reply 32 of 53
    gatorguygatorguy Posts: 24,769member
    genovelle wrote: »
    But I find I am followed by Google even when I'm not using them. I work in the medical field and chrome is not supposed to be used on the computers. One of our techs showed me how chrome has a server running in the background doing who knows what, even when it's not the default browser or even open. They used to be able to block people from installing it but a few months ago Google found a way to disable that ability.

    When you see Chrome mentioned it doesn't necessarily mean "Google Chrome".
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  • Reply 33 of 53
    kibitzerkibitzer Posts: 1,114member
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    Good! I'm sick of asking my iPhone for the nearest gas station along a highway route and have it give me one that's 5 miles behind me but has me travel another 10 miles to an exit with a gas station just to turn around to get 15 miles back. I've never had this issue with TomTom.

    My old Garmin lists its answers starting with the nearest, regardless of direction. A fix on the Maps app to incorporate direction of travel can easily fix that.

     

    Thinking about disruption of existing businesses, this has to be another nail in the coffin for add-on GPS navigators from Garmin, Magellan and Tom Tom, as well as the ridiculously overpriced navigation systems that carmakers peddle as built-in options.

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  • Reply 34 of 53
    chipsychipsy Posts: 287member
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    Regarding maps, this is partly done already in iOS 7. In the Notification Center on the Today tab you are given suggestions on how long it would take you to get to a destination that you usually go to around that time on that day. Like right now, my iPhone is telling me that it will take me about 12 minutes to get to the gym because I go to the gym every Monday. It looks like CarPlay will be an extension and expansion of this with more predetermined destinations using your recent involvement with the phone.



    With hindsight, this looks to be the main reason why Google and Apple had to break up regarding maps. If Apple were to move into CarPlay they would not want Google as their maps solution or Google would charge too much to license its use and then just do it themselves.

     

    That's right, with 'Today' Apple is indeed taking its first tentative steps into predictive suggestions like Google Now. At this moment in time the functionalities of Today or nowhere near as extensive as Google Now but it will get their eventually.

     

    Could very well be the reason for the break-up between Google and Apple regarding maps with Apple probably not keen on paying large license fee's to Google.

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  • Reply 35 of 53
    chipsychipsy Posts: 287member
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    Googles mining goes to their server. Nothing like this feature which stays localized on your phone.

     

    Actually you can be pretty certain that it does go to their servers. Apple uses their servers for the processing of information (such as is necessary for address detection in e-mails) and such information would fall under Apple's 'non-personal information' in the privacy agreement. This means that data is stored using a Unique Device Identifier (but does also include IP address f.e.) and is in normal circumstances not linked directly to your AppleID (thus name, address, credit card information,...). The AppleID falls under 'personal information' in the privacy agreement. Though Apple does reserve the right to link 'non-personal information' to your 'personal information' if it wants to but then it becomes 'personal information' and falls under the rules of 'personal information' in the privacy agreement. So although anonymized to a certain extent it's not completely anonymous (it's just not linked to a name/AppleID in normal circumstances but can be if Apple chooses to do so). But non-personal information can be used for targeted advertising according the privacy agreement. Non-personal information goes from web history to Siri data, location data, ...

     

    Nothing to be afraid of or anything. It isn't any different from what other companies do and it's more restricted than how Google collects information for example. Things you search for while logged in can for example be linked to a name by Google (but you do have the ability to remove it as well with Google Dashboard), things you do while not logged in are collected using CookieID's and are thus anonymous (to the same extent as Apple's non-personal information).

     

    Anyway I hope my explanation was somewhat clear :).

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  • Reply 36 of 53
    woochiferwoochifer Posts: 385member

    Yet another interesting topic derailed by the usual Google v Apple noise.

     

    On the actual topic at hand, I'm curious to see how CarPlay integrates with the different touchscreen approaches used by the various car makers, and how much or little CarPlay deviates from iOS on handheld devices.  For example, BMW's iDrive setup uses low-mounted knobs and buttons for navigation, Ford's MS-based MFT system is all touch, and others like Hyundai and VW use a combination of on-screen controls and hard buttons that flank the touchscreen. 

     

    Compared to iOS 7, I would prefer a minimum of visual flourishes and more emphasis on functional clarity than even the iOS home screen provides.  I currently use a mounted 5s for music and navigation, and would definitely see the benefit of more basic control and display layouts -- even better for keeping eyes on the road if they can incorporate any existing buttons and knobs on the dash.

     

    As for context awareness, that's another feature that I would like to see in action before drawing any conclusions.  Sounds interesting if the information is actually relevant and useful.  Otherwise, I could also see this as a nuisance if not done properly.  Nothing worse than a computing device not only making presumptions, but making incorrect ones.

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  • Reply 37 of 53
    chipsychipsy Posts: 287member
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    Yet another interesting topic derailed by the usual Google v Apple noise.

     

    Compared to iOS 7, I would prefer a minimum of visual flourishes and more emphasis on functional clarity than even the iOS home screen provides.  I currently use a mounted 5s for music and navigation, and would definitely see the benefit of more basic control and display layouts -- even better for keeping eyes on the road if they can incorporate any existing buttons and knobs on the dash.

     

    As for context awareness, that's another feature that I would like to see in action before drawing any conclusions.  Sounds interesting if the information is actually relevant and useful.  Otherwise, I could also see this as a nuisance if not done properly.  Nothing worse than a computing device not only making presumptions, but making incorrect ones.


    From what we see in the demo it does seem that there isn't too much visual flourish, we'll have to wait for the end product to be sure but what we get to see looks promising. What I think would be important is for it to use the buttons on the steering wheel if there are any. Certainly it would be beneficial to be able to activate Siri from the steering wheel instead of always having to press the microphone on the dash.

    As for context awareness, well it's something that is very complex and in all likelihood won't be perfect at the launch, but it will gradually evolve.

    What I like is that Volvo's own OS runs together with CarPlay. So if you plug in your iPhone it will open CarPlay and when your are using another device you can use Volvo's own OS. This was one of my biggest concerns when I first heard of the concept (what when you are not using an iPhone), but I'm glad to see they were unfounded :).

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  • Reply 38 of 53
    longpathlongpath Posts: 418member
    I'm interested to see who will offer this in the aftermarket. Say what you will; but I am a die hard Wankel rotary fan and there are no cars on the market with a Wankel rotary, so I am hanging onto my Mazda for as long as possible. Nonetheless, I am very much aware that the satnav and stereo are a decade old. An iOS based integrated offering would be much simpler to keep current (Mazda's OEM for the satnav used in 2004 RX-8s has released one map update in the entire time the car has existed).
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  • Reply 39 of 53
    solipsismxsolipsismx Posts: 19,566member
    longpath wrote: »
    I'm interested to see who will offer this in the aftermarket. Say what you will; but I am a die hard Wankel rotary fan and there are no cars on the market with a Wankel rotary, so I am hanging onto my Mazda for as long as possible. Nonetheless, I am very much aware that the satnav and stereo are a decade old. An iOS based integrated offering would be much simpler to keep current (Mazda's OEM for the satnav used in 2004 RX-8s has released one map update in the entire time the car has existed).

    It's a brilliant design, especially for being before we had computer models, but is the type of ICE really more important than all the other features that go into a modern automobile?
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  • Reply 40 of 53
    gatorguy wrote: »
    Google certainly places ads on behalf of companies like Sears or Walmart or BMW. They didn't sell your file to Sears or Walmart or BMW. You're welcome. Hope you're no longer confused.

    In any event I was registering my surprise that Apple would say they'll be mining emails and texts. I'm not particularly surprised they do so, nor do I care if they do. I can't think of another way they could deliver on the feature, and it will definitely be both helpful and safer for the driver.

    I would say that the main difference between the two companies is that Google will take your information and use it to make money for their benefit. Apple, in this situation, is using your own information for your benefit only. I wouldn't expect that Siri wouldn't be burning up data minutes just to be able to speak. That would make her mute in downtown traffic, or anywhere cell communication may be difficult.

    The Apple CarPlay may have included intelligence that doesn't exist in the iPhone that makes the car a stand-alone device that uses the data and media stored in the iPhone for it's navigation data and media replay. THAT makes the most sense.


    One thing not mentioned in the article is the statement that Ford is one of the future users of CarPlay. That would seem to say that Microsoft is sucking air moving forward.
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