I hate interstitials! From what I understand they're those bloody ads that pop up before almost every video I watch on my YouTube playlists and AdBlock doesn't seem to be able to stop them. They're way too distracting and are always much louder than the music video that follows. And you're forced to watch them for at least a few seconds before being able to 'Skip Ad'. It totally ruins the flow of a playlist, so I can't just sit back, relax and watch/listen to my YouTube playlists anymore. F..k Google for that, and it seems now that Apple's getting in on the act too!
It's true that those ads are annoying but there's nothing that can be done about it. Google is running a business and those ads pay for those millions upon millions of Youtube videos and the whole infrastructure that supports them. I'd rather have those ads then to see Youtube go away or have to pay a subscription fee for it. At least a user still has the option of skipping an ad. I don't think there's any free service that can exist without ads. However, Apple could probably implement free services without ads and not even feel the impact considering how much money the company has and nearly total reliance on hardware sales. That's how Apple could beat Google at its own game with a search engine that has no ads. I don't think Apple is relying on iAd to make heaps of money. It's more like something to keep the iOS ecosystem healthy and useful to advertisers.
It's true that those ads are annoying but there's nothing that can be done about it. Google is running a business and those ads pay for those millions upon millions of Youtube videos and the whole infrastructure that supports them. I'd rather have those ads then to see Youtube go away or have to pay a subscription fee for it. At least a user still has the option of skipping an ad. I don't think there's any free service that can exist without ads. However, Apple could probably implement free services without ads and not even feel the impact considering how much money the company has and nearly total reliance on hardware sales. That's how Apple could beat Google at its own game with a search engine that has no ads. I don't think Apple is relying on iAd to make heaps of money. It's more like something to keep the iOS ecosystem healthy and useful to advertisers.
Wasn't it meant to be a better way for deva to monetize apps?
The downside, for us end-user TV viewers, is that iAds won't be skippable.
One of the great aspects of the atv user experience is the absence of ads. That is why I pay for content on iTunes or Netflix. If in exchange for ads users could get free content that would be a good deal, I guess, though not for me.
I have wondered how that would work for advertisers - the people willing to pay for no ads are probably the people advertisers would love to reach the most. The more people pay up the less valuable the remaining audience would be to the advertisers. That's the logic but the truth is probably that most people cannot resist free, no matter what the price.
One of the great aspects of the atv user experience is the absence of ads. That is why I pay for content on iTunes or Netflix. If in exchange for ads users could get free content that would be a good deal, I guess, though not for me.
I have wondered how that would work for advertisers - the people willing to pay for no ads are probably the people advertisers would love to reach the most. The more people pay up the less valuable the remaining audience would be to the advertisers. That's the logic but the truth is probably that most people cannot resist free, no matter what the price.
Good points. There must be a Numbers spreadsheet on a MacBook somewhere in Cupertino that shows the value, to advertisers, of the "free with iAds and analytics" vs. the "pay to eliminate iAds" customers. Maybe Apple will send some "pay to eliminate iAds" customer demographics to the advertisers in addition to the cash.
But no, you should never underestimate the value of analytics (time spent looking at each iAd, how far the user drills down in the content, what type of goods each user is most interested in, ad nauseam.) And you're right. Never underestimate the power of "free."
The default became opt-in for iAD ad targeting with iOS6 (or was it 5). I don't think it changed with iOS7. It's still kinda hidden away if you want to opt-out isn't it?
EDIT: Was your question about search or ad targeting? Sorry if you meant the first one.
Actually pretty sure it's opt-out. The button says 'limit ad tracking' and pretty sure you had to turn it on. Limit also means that you can't completely opt-out.
Actually pretty sure it's opt-out. The button says 'limit ad tracking' and pretty sure you had to turn it on. Limit also means that you can't completely opt-out.
Nope. Apple's out-of-the-box setting is opt-in. You are enrolled in the iAD program automatically and targeted ad service is enabled. Default opt-in.
If you don't want to be tracked for targeted ads you have to make an active choice to turn it off. That's if you know to look and where to find it. That hidden setting is confusingly worded, not clear to you apparently or many others.
Nope. Apple's out-of-the-box setting is opt-in. You are enrolled in the iAD program automatically and targeted ad service is enabled. Default opt-in.
If you don't want to be tracked for targeted ads you have to make an active choice to turn it off. That's if you know to look and where to find it. That hidden setting is confusingly worded, not clear to you apparently or many others.
You're actually agreeing with him. If you're already enrolled via factory settings than your option is to opt-out.
You're actually agreeing with him. If you're already enrolled via factory settings than your option is to opt-out.
I don't believe so since he disagreed with my initial post "The default became opt-in for iAD ad targeting with iOS6 (or was it 5)" but I expect he'll reply to clarify what he thinks. Yup it can be confusing even trying to discuss how confusing it can be. :err:
I don't believe so since he disagreed with my initial post "The default became opt-in for iAD ad targeting with iOS6 (or was it 5)" but I expect he'll reply to clarify what he thinks. Yup it can be confusing even trying to discuss how confusing it can be. :err:
How I see it is if you're already enrolled than the default would be to 'opt-out'. I guess it's all in how to look at it, but it seems like the OP is calling it tomato and you're calling it to-mah-toe but it's the same thing.
The day I am forced to watch full screen ad on my iOS device is the day I completely abandon Apple ecosystem and start behaving like Apple does not exist (just like Microsoft before them, albeit for different reasons).
The day I am forced to watch full screen ad on my iOS device is the day I completely abandon Apple ecosystem and start behaving like Apple does not exist (just like Microsoft before them, albeit for different reasons).
I don't believe so since he disagreed with my initial post "The default became opt-in for iAD ad targeting with iOS6 (or was it 5)" but I expect he'll reply to clarify what he thinks. Yup it can be confusing even trying to discuss how confusing it can be.
When I say opt-out I mean that you are automatically rolled in and have to 'roll out' yourself, the misunderstanding probably lies with you referring to the default mode of the switch as opt-in (so you are automatically opted-in) and I referring to it as the method opt-out: "default option being inclusion or permission" (so you are automatically opted-in by default and have to opt-out). In other words the result is the same . I just always understand opt-in as the option that you have to actively 'choose to participate'. That's why I misunderstood your post.
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So yeah, the very first time I saw that Nissan Leaf iAd, my first thought was "That would be great on HDTV."
I think Apple designed iAd for TV from day one.
I agree. The end game was video content, and the end game of that end game is AppleTV (or maybe "TVPlay" ;-)
You DIDN'T NEED to copy the damn Brand X ad to make your point!!
Fixed. Btw you didn't have to shout. I meant to omit it but got busy doing other things and forgot to come back to it. A PM would've sufficed.
Longtime Apple fan here, but now Samsung is really tempting me:
i had to have missed the sarcasm tag at the end of your post, right?
No he's just trying to ruffle feathers.
Longtime Apple fan here, but now Samsung is really tempting me:
Anybody who says that they are a long-time Apple fan is always a troll.
I hate interstitials! From what I understand they're those bloody ads that pop up before almost every video I watch on my YouTube playlists and AdBlock doesn't seem to be able to stop them. They're way too distracting and are always much louder than the music video that follows. And you're forced to watch them for at least a few seconds before being able to 'Skip Ad'. It totally ruins the flow of a playlist, so I can't just sit back, relax and watch/listen to my YouTube playlists anymore. F..k Google for that, and it seems now that Apple's getting in on the act too!
It's true that those ads are annoying but there's nothing that can be done about it. Google is running a business and those ads pay for those millions upon millions of Youtube videos and the whole infrastructure that supports them. I'd rather have those ads then to see Youtube go away or have to pay a subscription fee for it. At least a user still has the option of skipping an ad. I don't think there's any free service that can exist without ads. However, Apple could probably implement free services without ads and not even feel the impact considering how much money the company has and nearly total reliance on hardware sales. That's how Apple could beat Google at its own game with a search engine that has no ads. I don't think Apple is relying on iAd to make heaps of money. It's more like something to keep the iOS ecosystem healthy and useful to advertisers.
I have wondered how that would work for advertisers - the people willing to pay for no ads are probably the people advertisers would love to reach the most. The more people pay up the less valuable the remaining audience would be to the advertisers. That's the logic but the truth is probably that most people cannot resist free, no matter what the price.
One of the great aspects of the atv user experience is the absence of ads. That is why I pay for content on iTunes or Netflix. If in exchange for ads users could get free content that would be a good deal, I guess, though not for me.
I have wondered how that would work for advertisers - the people willing to pay for no ads are probably the people advertisers would love to reach the most. The more people pay up the less valuable the remaining audience would be to the advertisers. That's the logic but the truth is probably that most people cannot resist free, no matter what the price.
Good points. There must be a Numbers spreadsheet on a MacBook somewhere in Cupertino that shows the value, to advertisers, of the "free with iAds and analytics" vs. the "pay to eliminate iAds" customers. Maybe Apple will send some "pay to eliminate iAds" customer demographics to the advertisers in addition to the cash.
But no, you should never underestimate the value of analytics (time spent looking at each iAd, how far the user drills down in the content, what type of goods each user is most interested in, ad nauseam.) And you're right. Never underestimate the power of "free."
Actually pretty sure it's opt-out. The button says 'limit ad tracking' and pretty sure you had to turn it on. Limit also means that you can't completely opt-out.
Nope. Apple's out-of-the-box setting is opt-in. You are enrolled in the iAD program automatically and targeted ad service is enabled. Default opt-in.
If you don't want to be tracked for targeted ads you have to make an active choice to turn it off. That's if you know to look and where to find it. That hidden setting is confusingly worded, not clear to you apparently or many others.
You're actually agreeing with him. If you're already enrolled via factory settings than your option is to opt-out.
I don't believe so since he disagreed with my initial post "The default became opt-in for iAD ad targeting with iOS6 (or was it 5)" but I expect he'll reply to clarify what he thinks. Yup it can be confusing even trying to discuss how confusing it can be. :err:
How I see it is if you're already enrolled than the default would be to 'opt-out'. I guess it's all in how to look at it, but it seems like the OP is calling it tomato and you're calling it to-mah-toe but it's the same thing.
The day I am forced to watch full screen ad on my iOS device is the day I completely abandon Apple ecosystem and start behaving like Apple does not exist (just like Microsoft before them, albeit for different reasons).
So the 12th of Never, then.
I don't believe so since he disagreed with my initial post "The default became opt-in for iAD ad targeting with iOS6 (or was it 5)" but I expect he'll reply to clarify what he thinks. Yup it can be confusing even trying to discuss how confusing it can be.
When I say opt-out I mean that you are automatically rolled in and have to 'roll out' yourself, the misunderstanding probably lies with you referring to the default mode of the switch as opt-in (so you are automatically opted-in) and I referring to it as the method opt-out: "default option being inclusion or permission" (so you are automatically opted-in by default and have to opt-out). In other words the result is the same
. I just always understand opt-in as the option that you have to actively 'choose to participate'. That's why I misunderstood your post.