This is the dumbest canard -- always fact-free -- that is thrown around regularly in these forums. If you know this to be the case, give us evidence. And no, anecdotes ('Madoff') don't count.
Incidentally, the millions of Americans who have their retirement money in Apple have it through institutional investors, apparently the very same that you think are 'manipulators.'
You can't have it both ways.
I own over 1,000 shares in Apple that I bought myself that I am hoping will help me in retirement and I am sure there are a lot more like me who buy AAPL directly so you are full of it. I don't even know what point you are trying to make or defend since you didn't even explain what you are trying to say and yours was pretty fact-free yourself. Is your opinion in support of the one I was replying to. I was simply saying a drastic drop in AAPL would hurt a lot of ordinary people and Apple would not privatize even if that happened so exactly where do you disagree.
I own over 1,000 shares in Apple that I bought myself that I am hoping will help me in retirement and I am sure there are a lot more like me who buy AAPL directly so you are full of it.
I hope you have millions of dollars invested in other things too. Having a meaningful fraction one's money tied up in one particular asset is ... ill advised.
I guess they’re the ones in charge of making up crap rumors and manipulating the stock, huh.
Nope but they are the ones who suffer the most by far. Wall street always manages to make money which is why your salivating at a price drop was idiotic because it would hurt ordinary middle class people far more than wall street analysts.
I hope you have millions of dollars invested in other things too. Having a meaningful fraction one's money tied up in one particular asset is ... ill advised.
Exactly where did I say that was the only stock I owned? or my one and only retirement plan? I will be sure to PM you if I want your advice. I bought my stocks in AAPL when they were around $10 bucks a share and then my 500 shares doubled with a split so it was not a huge amount of cash since you are so interested.
I own over 1,000 shares in Apple that I bought myself that I am hoping will help me in retirement and I am sure there are a lot more like me who buy AAPL directly so you are full of it. I don't even know what point you are trying to make or defend since you didn't even explain what you are trying to say and yours was pretty fact-free yourself. Is your opinion in support of the one I was replying to. I was simply saying a drastic drop in AAPL would hurt a lot of ordinary people and Apple would not privatize even if that happened so exactly where do you disagree.
First, you ? all retirees with portfolios. And, your portfolio of Apple as retirement ? retirement portfolios of millions of Americans.
Second, it is not my job to give you any investment advice, but if your 1,000 shares of Apple are what you're counting for retirement, all I can say is that you're violating every basic rule on how to build a sensible retirement portfolio.
If you choose to be undiversified, that's your problem, not the market's. And to blame some phantom 'market manipulators' does not help solve your problem.
I sincerely recommend that you start to read up a bit about diversification/indexing, dollar-cost averaging, and developing a long-horizon point of view in making retirement-related investment decisions. (See, e.g., -- no, I don't work for any of these companies -- http://bit.ly/1qtjri0).
So I assume this $299 starting price point is actually on-contract and in reality $100 more than the iPhone 5S? Otherwise, this makes no sense.
If they can pull off a $300 unlock phone and still get decent margins it will be a masterpiece play. They will have something for both the emerging markets and the unlock market and market shares will skyrocket.
But, in the article, i think they mean the bigger screen phone will sell at a $100 premium of the current 5s prices. So $299 w/contract indeed. imo thats is a huge mistake if true, rising the price of high-end phones in a declining market would be dumb beyond belief.
First, you ? all retirees with portfolios. And, your portfolio of Apple as retirement ? retirement portfolios of millions of Americans.
Second, it is not my job to give you any investment advice, but if your 1,000 shares of Apple are what you're counting for retirement, all I can say is that you're violating every basic rule on how to build a sensible retirement portfolio.
If you choose to be undiversified, that's your problem, not the market's. And to blame some phantom 'market manipulators' does not help solve your problem.
I sincerely recommend that you start to read up a bit about diversification/indexing, dollar-cost averaging, and developing a long-horizon point of view in making retirement-related investment decisions. (See, e.g., -- no, I don't work for any of these companies -- http://bit.ly/1qtjri0).
Can you read? Who and what are you even arguing. I wasn't blaming analysts or manipulators. You should be arguing with Tallest Skil not me since he was the one that said that. And again I never said Apple was my only stock and you would be the last person I would ever ask for any financial or indeed any advice on anything since you seem to have a rage problem and also lack basic reading comprehension skills. I own stocks in over 50 companies and have many other investments like real estate and many others less risky than stocks. Next time you throw a hissy fit you might want to make sure you are venting your rage at the right person and also stop arguing with straw men since you sure seem to like to make a lot of assumptions.
Good. Then Apple can buy up all the stock and keep these imbeciles away from their money.
maybe, but I do want a bigger phone regarless of how the stock reacts to it. I am not gonna keep that 4s forever. I have wait yet another year to upgrade on bigger phone rumors that seems more serious this time.
You have hit a "nail on the head" moment. Last year Apple was hammered for not releasing a cheap iPhone, which would have made it join the race to the bottom like the Android camp. Now analysts who want to pump up Apple's stock price are going to put a positive spin on Apple releasing a more expensive iPhone.
no, they want a low price phone AND good margins. Its doable, the margins will be the "apple premium" of the low price phone. Customers could roll the dice and buy a randon android cheap phone at $300 or get an iphone for the same price knowing it will be well balance and of good build quality. The $300 android phones will have better specs because they sell with low margins, but they will still be more risky than getting an iphone.
or, if you like, the android phones with the spec of the $300 iphone will probably sell for $100 less.
That being said, Apple have volume and good engineers, they could come up with a way to produce a low price phone and pull out 30% gross margins and be so efficient at it that competition will match them up with spec equivalent phones with almost no margins. This would be a master piece play if they can pull something like that.
I've been following Apple for a long time (as have most of you, of course) and I think we're due for one for their periodic releases where it's surprising in terms of features and price--in a good way. Given component prices, I expect that Apple can (and will) deliver a phone with a larger screen with more storage at either the same price or $100 less (while maintaining margins).
I hope you have millions of dollars invested in other things too. Having a meaningful fraction one's money tied up in one particular asset is ... ill advised.
Pretty sure if a person has managed to accumulate this much stock they don't need a lecture on how to manage their money.
Exactly where did I say that was the only stock I owned? or my one and only retirement plan? I will be sure to PM you if I want your advice. I bought my stocks in AAPL when they were around $10 bucks a share and then my 500 shares doubled with a split so it was not a huge amount of cash since you are so interested.
Sorry for offending you somehow. I wasn't implying anything. I just said I hope that you don't have all your eggs in one AAPL basket (and you just confirmed that you don't). I have no idea why you decided to tell us that you have over half a million dollars invested in Apple. Maybe you shouldn't have mentioned it if it wasn't fair game to comment on.
Exactly where did I say that was the only stock I owned? or my one and only retirement plan? I will be sure to PM you if I want your advice. I bought my stocks in AAPL when they were around $10 bucks a share and then my 500 shares doubled with a split so it was not a huge amount of cash since you are so interested.
Hats off to you. Not just buying at the right time but not selling when the stock started to take off. I did the former but was greedy way before I needed to be and sold at $32 pre split. Biggest regret ever.
Can you read? Who and what are you even arguing. I wasn't blaming analysts or manipulators. You should be arguing with Tallest Skil not me since he was the one that said that. And again I never said Apple was my only stock and you would be the last person I would ever ask for any financial or indeed any advice on anything since you seem to have a rage problem and also lack basic reading comprehension skills. I own stocks in over 50 companies and have many other investments like real estate and many others less risky than stocks. Next time you throw a hissy fit you might want to make sure you are venting your rage at the right person and also stop arguing with straw men since you sure seem to like to make a lot of assumptions.
Wow, you sure put him in his place. I don't think I would seek out financial advice on an Internet forum either, but I think what he said is very solid advice. By the sounds of your portfolio, however, you seem to be doing quite well. I don't think you need to worry about your retirement. But I did find your remarks about having a hissy fit quite odd. After reading all these comments, I would say you're the one having a hissy fit. As for your original statement, if there is anyone who's retirement is going to be adversely affected by the price of AAPL, they need to get some professional advice ASAP.
Hats off to you. Not just buying at the right time but not selling when the stock started to take off. I did the former but was greedy way before I needed to be and sold at $32 pre split. Biggest regret ever.
Ouch. On the other hand selling some of my shares when it hit $700 would have been a nice move. Of course then I'd be kicking myself if it were over $1000 today (which was what plenty of people were predicting).
Wow, you sure put him in his place. I don't think I would seek out financial advice on an Internet forum either, but I think what he said is very solid advice. By the sounds of your portfolio, however, you seem to be doing quite well. I don't think you need to worry about your retirement. But I did find your remarks about having a hissy fit quite odd. After reading all these comments, I would say you're the one having a hissy fit. As for your original statement, if there is anyone who's retirement is going to be adversely affected by the price of AAPL, they need to get some professional advice ASAP.
Professional advice would have suggested he sell half at $20. He's doing better than any professional advice on Apple would have given.
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It needs to maintain margins.
This is the dumbest canard -- always fact-free -- that is thrown around regularly in these forums. If you know this to be the case, give us evidence. And no, anecdotes ('Madoff') don't count.
Incidentally, the millions of Americans who have their retirement money in Apple have it through institutional investors, apparently the very same that you think are 'manipulators.'
You can't have it both ways.
I own over 1,000 shares in Apple that I bought myself that I am hoping will help me in retirement and I am sure there are a lot more like me who buy AAPL directly so you are full of it. I don't even know what point you are trying to make or defend since you didn't even explain what you are trying to say and yours was pretty fact-free yourself. Is your opinion in support of the one I was replying to. I was simply saying a drastic drop in AAPL would hurt a lot of ordinary people and Apple would not privatize even if that happened so exactly where do you disagree.
I guess they’re the ones in charge of making up crap rumors and manipulating the stock, huh.
That's the subsidized price, if you ask most people how much a 16 GB iPhone 5s costs they'll tell you $199, not $650.
I own over 1,000 shares in Apple that I bought myself that I am hoping will help me in retirement and I am sure there are a lot more like me who buy AAPL directly so you are full of it.
I hope you have millions of dollars invested in other things too. Having a meaningful fraction one's money tied up in one particular asset is ... ill advised.
I guess they’re the ones in charge of making up crap rumors and manipulating the stock, huh.
Nope but they are the ones who suffer the most by far. Wall street always manages to make money which is why your salivating at a price drop was idiotic because it would hurt ordinary middle class people far more than wall street analysts.
I hope you have millions of dollars invested in other things too. Having a meaningful fraction one's money tied up in one particular asset is ... ill advised.
Exactly where did I say that was the only stock I owned? or my one and only retirement plan? I will be sure to PM you if I want your advice. I bought my stocks in AAPL when they were around $10 bucks a share and then my 500 shares doubled with a split so it was not a huge amount of cash since you are so interested.
First, you ? all retirees with portfolios. And, your portfolio of Apple as retirement ? retirement portfolios of millions of Americans.
Second, it is not my job to give you any investment advice, but if your 1,000 shares of Apple are what you're counting for retirement, all I can say is that you're violating every basic rule on how to build a sensible retirement portfolio.
If you choose to be undiversified, that's your problem, not the market's. And to blame some phantom 'market manipulators' does not help solve your problem.
I sincerely recommend that you start to read up a bit about diversification/indexing, dollar-cost averaging, and developing a long-horizon point of view in making retirement-related investment decisions. (See, e.g., -- no, I don't work for any of these companies -- http://bit.ly/1qtjri0).
So I assume this $299 starting price point is actually on-contract and in reality $100 more than the iPhone 5S? Otherwise, this makes no sense.
If they can pull off a $300 unlock phone and still get decent margins it will be a masterpiece play. They will have something for both the emerging markets and the unlock market and market shares will skyrocket.
But, in the article, i think they mean the bigger screen phone will sell at a $100 premium of the current 5s prices. So $299 w/contract indeed. imo thats is a huge mistake if true, rising the price of high-end phones in a declining market would be dumb beyond belief.
First, you ? all retirees with portfolios. And, your portfolio of Apple as retirement ? retirement portfolios of millions of Americans.
Second, it is not my job to give you any investment advice, but if your 1,000 shares of Apple are what you're counting for retirement, all I can say is that you're violating every basic rule on how to build a sensible retirement portfolio.
If you choose to be undiversified, that's your problem, not the market's. And to blame some phantom 'market manipulators' does not help solve your problem.
I sincerely recommend that you start to read up a bit about diversification/indexing, dollar-cost averaging, and developing a long-horizon point of view in making retirement-related investment decisions. (See, e.g., -- no, I don't work for any of these companies -- http://bit.ly/1qtjri0).
Can you read? Who and what are you even arguing. I wasn't blaming analysts or manipulators. You should be arguing with Tallest Skil not me since he was the one that said that. And again I never said Apple was my only stock and you would be the last person I would ever ask for any financial or indeed any advice on anything since you seem to have a rage problem and also lack basic reading comprehension skills. I own stocks in over 50 companies and have many other investments like real estate and many others less risky than stocks. Next time you throw a hissy fit you might want to make sure you are venting your rage at the right person and also stop arguing with straw men since you sure seem to like to make a lot of assumptions.
Good. Then Apple can buy up all the stock and keep these imbeciles away from their money.
maybe, but I do want a bigger phone regarless of how the stock reacts to it. I am not gonna keep that 4s forever. I have wait yet another year to upgrade on bigger phone rumors that seems more serious this time.
You have hit a "nail on the head" moment. Last year Apple was hammered for not releasing a cheap iPhone, which would have made it join the race to the bottom like the Android camp. Now analysts who want to pump up Apple's stock price are going to put a positive spin on Apple releasing a more expensive iPhone.
no, they want a low price phone AND good margins. Its doable, the margins will be the "apple premium" of the low price phone. Customers could roll the dice and buy a randon android cheap phone at $300 or get an iphone for the same price knowing it will be well balance and of good build quality. The $300 android phones will have better specs because they sell with low margins, but they will still be more risky than getting an iphone.
or, if you like, the android phones with the spec of the $300 iphone will probably sell for $100 less.
That being said, Apple have volume and good engineers, they could come up with a way to produce a low price phone and pull out 30% gross margins and be so efficient at it that competition will match them up with spec equivalent phones with almost no margins. This would be a master piece play if they can pull something like that.
I've been following Apple for a long time (as have most of you, of course) and I think we're due for one for their periodic releases where it's surprising in terms of features and price--in a good way. Given component prices, I expect that Apple can (and will) deliver a phone with a larger screen with more storage at either the same price or $100 less (while maintaining margins).
Pretty sure if a person has managed to accumulate this much stock they don't need a lecture on how to manage their money.
Exactly where did I say that was the only stock I owned? or my one and only retirement plan? I will be sure to PM you if I want your advice. I bought my stocks in AAPL when they were around $10 bucks a share and then my 500 shares doubled with a split so it was not a huge amount of cash since you are so interested.
Sorry for offending you somehow. I wasn't implying anything. I just said I hope that you don't have all your eggs in one AAPL basket (and you just confirmed that you don't). I have no idea why you decided to tell us that you have over half a million dollars invested in Apple. Maybe you shouldn't have mentioned it if it wasn't fair game to comment on.
Hats off to you. Not just buying at the right time but not selling when the stock started to take off. I did the former but was greedy way before I needed to be and sold at $32 pre split. Biggest regret ever.
Pretty sure if a person has managed to accumulate this much stock they don't need a lecture on how to manage their money.
Perhaps or perhaps not. Good thing I wasn't giving a lecture.
Wow, you sure put him in his place. I don't think I would seek out financial advice on an Internet forum either, but I think what he said is very solid advice. By the sounds of your portfolio, however, you seem to be doing quite well. I don't think you need to worry about your retirement. But I did find your remarks about having a hissy fit quite odd. After reading all these comments, I would say you're the one having a hissy fit. As for your original statement, if there is anyone who's retirement is going to be adversely affected by the price of AAPL, they need to get some professional advice ASAP.
Hats off to you. Not just buying at the right time but not selling when the stock started to take off. I did the former but was greedy way before I needed to be and sold at $32 pre split. Biggest regret ever.
Ouch. On the other hand selling some of my shares when it hit $700 would have been a nice move. Of course then I'd be kicking myself if it were over $1000 today (which was what plenty of people were predicting).
Professional advice would have suggested he sell half at $20. He's doing better than any professional advice on Apple would have given.